Volunteer account of a raid on a medical marijuana facility

[RoloMather]

Originally posted by: dawp

Originally posted by: BrownTown

Originally posted by: scott916

Originally posted by: BrownTown
Marijuana is illegal and should remain so. Acting like the people who want it legalized don't give two shits about cancer patients is just silly, they are just a bunch of potheads who want to make their addiction legal.

In this case they obviously don't care about the cancer patients. Are you implying that a dying person who is in great pain that is successfully relieved by cannabis rather than morphine is a pothead addict? Go troll elsewhere.

I'll say I'm for allowing MJ to be used as a medicine if you say you are for stricter enforcement of MJ laws from people with out a prescription...

Do all of yall support legalizing heroin and cocaine and meth etc? And why not at age 12 while were at it?

You do realize it's easier for a 12 year old to get any illegal drug than it is for that same 12 year old to buy alcohol, don't ya. just ask almost any kid and they will tell you even if they don't do drugs themselves.

The best way to keep drugs away from kids is to legalize and regulate, like alcohol.

edit:

Here's a book on Consensual Crimes that is quite an interesting read.

Ain't Nobody's Business If You Do

Duh, because the dealers don't care how old you are as long as you got money.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: BrownTown
Marijuana is illegal and should remain so. Acting like the people who want it legalized don't give two shits about cancer patients is just silly, they are just a bunch of potheads who want to make their addiction legal.

I've smoked pot a handful of times in my life (all in college). I'm not a pothead, I have no interest in ever smoking again.

Marijuana should be legalized. It should be subject to the same taxes and laws as tobacco. Look at the amount of time this one police department is spending dealing with a drug that is safe, relatively harmless, and, in this case, is being used for the benefit of ill people. We lock up thousands of people every year because of marijuana possession, why? Do we lock people up for having a six pack of beer? For having two packs of cigarettes?

You're stuck in the mentality of "it's illegal, so it must be bad and there must be a good reason." It isn't and there isn't.

 

[Brovane]

Originally posted by: BrownTown

Originally posted by: scott916
There is simply no rational argument to keep it illegal that does not apply in spades to any legal drug on the market today.

The majority of drugs are in fact illegal without a prescription. If you want a drug available over the counter the burden of proof is on YOU to prove that there is nothing wrong with it, not the other way around.

http://www.druglibrary.org/sch.../studies/nc/ncmenu.htm

Here is the 1972 Shafer Commission's report on Marijuana. President Nixon didn't like the conclusions from the commission so he just round filed the entire thing.

Conclusion below.



In this Chapter, we have carefully considered the spectrum of social and legal policy alternatives. On the basis of our findings, discussed in previous Chapters, we have concluded that society should seek to discourage use, while concentrating its attention on the prevention and treatment of heavy and very heavy use. The Commission feels that the criminalization of possession of marihuana for personal is socially self-defeating as a means of achieving this objective. We have attempted to balance individual freedom on one hand and the obligation of the state to consider the wider social good on the other. We believe our recommended scheme will permit society to exercise its control and influence in ways most useful and efficient, meanwhile reserving to the individual American his sense of privacy, his sense of individuality, and, within the context of ail interacting and interdependent society, his options to select his own life style, values, goals and opportunities.

The Commission sincerely hopes that the tone of cautious restraint sounded in this Report will be perpetuated in the debate which will follow it. For those who feel we have not proceeded far enough, we are reminded of Thomas Jefferson's advice to George Washington that "Delay is preferable to error." For those who argue we have gone too far, we note Roscoe Pound's statement, "The law must be stable, but it must not stand still."

We have carefully analyzed the interrelationship between marijuana the drug, marijuana use as a behavior, and marijuana as a social problem. Recognizing the extensive degree of misinformation about marijuana as a drug, we have tried to demythologize it. Viewing the use of marijuana in its wider social context, we have tried to desymbolize it.

Considering the range of social concerns in contemporary America, marijuana does not, in our considered judgment, rank very high. We would deemphasize marijuana as a problem.

The existing social and legal policy is out of proportion to the individual and social harm engendered by the use of the drug. To replace it, we have attempted to design a suitable social policy, which we believe is fair, cautious and attuned to the social realities of our time.

 

[piasabird]

Smoking Pot is still violating Federal Statutes. I dont care what kind of state policy you have.

What if local people dont want a pot house in their neighborhood. These places are a giant magnet for criminals of all kinds.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: piasabird
Smoking Pot is still violating Federal Statutes. I dont care what kind of state policy you have.

What if local people dont want a pot house in their neighborhood. These places are a giant magnet for criminals of all kinds.

What's a pot house?

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: piasabird
What if local people dont want a pot house in their neighborhood. These places are a giant magnet for criminals of all kinds.

Wow. You still don't get it. If pot were legal, it would not attract criminals.

 

[Brovane]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: piasabird
What if local people dont want a pot house in their neighborhood. These places are a giant magnet for criminals of all kinds.

Wow. You still don't get it. If pot were legal, it would not attract criminals.

That is what people don't get sometimes. If pot where legal you would just go down and purchase it at your local Wal-Greens. The business of selling pot since it is legal would be subject to local zoning ordinances.

 

[dawp]

Originally posted by: RoloMather

Originally posted by: dawp

Originally posted by: BrownTown

Originally posted by: scott916

Originally posted by: BrownTown
Marijuana is illegal and should remain so. Acting like the people who want it legalized don't give two shits about cancer patients is just silly, they are just a bunch of potheads who want to make their addiction legal.

In this case they obviously don't care about the cancer patients. Are you implying that a dying person who is in great pain that is successfully relieved by cannabis rather than morphine is a pothead addict? Go troll elsewhere.

I'll say I'm for allowing MJ to be used as a medicine if you say you are for stricter enforcement of MJ laws from people with out a prescription...

Do all of yall support legalizing heroin and cocaine and meth etc? And why not at age 12 while were at it?

You do realize it's easier for a 12 year old to get any illegal drug than it is for that same 12 year old to buy alcohol, don't ya. just ask almost any kid and they will tell you even if they don't do drugs themselves.

The best way to keep drugs away from kids is to legalize and regulate, like alcohol.

edit:

Here's a book on Consensual Crimes that is quite an interesting read.

Ain't Nobody's Business If You Do

Duh, because the dealers don't care how old you are as long as you got money.

When was the last time you saw a dealer selling moonshine on a street corner? If ya take away the dealer incentive,i.e. legal sales, they will go away.

 

[alevasseur14]

NOT A POT HOUSE!!!

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: piasabird
Smoking Pot is still violating Federal Statutes. I dont care what kind of state policy you have.

What if local people dont want a pot house in their neighborhood. These places are a giant magnet for criminals of all kinds.

No, actually they aren't. At least no more so than any other establishment.

 

[BrownTown]

if anything these arguments could be seen as a reason to outlaw alcohol more than a reason to legalize marijuana. I mean basically everyone's argument is that its not as bad as alcohol (which may be true). But how does that save anyone?

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: BrownTown
if anything these arguments could be seen as a reason to outlaw alcohol more than a reason to legalize marijuana. I mean basically everyone's argument is that its not as bad as alcohol (which may be true). But how does that save anyone?

because look at what happened when Alcohol was illegal...

its not as bad as the following legal daily used drugs.

Alcohol
Nicotine
Caffeine

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: BrownTown
if anything these arguments could be seen as a reason to outlaw alcohol more than a reason to legalize marijuana. I mean basically everyone's argument is that its not as bad as alcohol (which may be true). But how does that save anyone?

You should read your own sig.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Maybe if we would just legalize it we would all have great parents like this.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Maybe if we would just legalize it we would all have great parents like this.

The outraged fox anchor now wants forced sterilization. Only if we can make it retroactive.

 

[dawp]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Maybe if we would just legalize it we would all have great parents like this.

that's no different that a parent giving alcohol to a child of the same age.

 

[Mr. Lennon]

Originally posted by: BrownTown
if anything these arguments could be seen as a reason to outlaw alcohol more than a reason to legalize marijuana. I mean basically everyone's argument is that its not as bad as alcohol (which may be true). But how does that save anyone?

MARIJUANA IS NON LETHAL! THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A REPORTED CASE ABOUT SOMEONE DIEING BECAUSE OF MARIJUANA.


Alcohol on the other hand takes lives on a daily basis. Lets not forget how many cases we have of spousal/child abuse or rape due to someone being under the influence of alcohol.

 

[coreyb]

The most severe addiction known to man is pain killer addiction. How can you have a problem with MJ but not mention one of the most dangerous drugs out right now that is prescribed daily.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: BrownTown
if anything these arguments could be seen as a reason to outlaw alcohol more than a reason to legalize marijuana. I mean basically everyone's argument is that its not as bad as alcohol (which may be true). But how does that save anyone?

The government is not jebus it isn't there to save everybody.

 

[BrownTown]

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282

Originally posted by: BrownTown
if anything these arguments could be seen as a reason to outlaw alcohol more than a reason to legalize marijuana. I mean basically everyone's argument is that its not as bad as alcohol (which may be true). But how does that save anyone?

MARIJUANA IS NON LETHAL! THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A REPORTED CASE ABOUT SOMEONE DIEING BECAUSE OF MARIJUANA.


Alcohol on the other hand takes lives on a daily basis. Lets not forget how many cases we have of spousal/child abuse or rape due to someone being under the influence of alcohol.

yeah, see your just making my point, your not saying anything good about Marijuana, only bad stuff about alcohol. The exact same argument you are making (that MJ is better than alcohol and since alcohol is legal then so should MJ) can just as easily be taken the other way (alcohol is worse than MJ, MJ is illegal, therefore so should alcohol).

As for the person saying that MJ never killed anyone, driving while high is just as bad as driving drunk, it will kill you just the same. Just because its not directly killing you don't mean it can't kill.

 

[Dragula22]

Reasons to make marijuana legal:

Relaxation
Music sounds better
Food tastes better
Sex feels better
Pain Relief
Mundane tasks become more entertaining
Ideas (practical/philosophical) flow easily

and many more..

Not for everyone but no reason to outlaw it to those who use it responsibly.

 

[Brovane]

Originally posted by: BrownTown

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282

Originally posted by: BrownTown
if anything these arguments could be seen as a reason to outlaw alcohol more than a reason to legalize marijuana. I mean basically everyone's argument is that its not as bad as alcohol (which may be true). But how does that save anyone?

MARIJUANA IS NON LETHAL! THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A REPORTED CASE ABOUT SOMEONE DIEING BECAUSE OF MARIJUANA.


Alcohol on the other hand takes lives on a daily basis. Lets not forget how many cases we have of spousal/child abuse or rape due to someone being under the influence of alcohol.

yeah, see your just making my point, your not saying anything good about Marijuana, only bad stuff about alcohol. The exact same argument you are making (that MJ is better than alcohol and since alcohol is legal then so should MJ) can just as easily be taken the other way (alcohol is worse than MJ, MJ is illegal, therefore so should alcohol).

As for the person saying that MJ never killed anyone, driving while high is just as bad as driving drunk, it will kill you just the same. Just because its not directly killing you don't mean it can't kill.

Why don't you try reading the 1972 schaffer report commissioned by President Nixon?

The Report of the National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: BrownTown

yeah, see your just making my point, your not saying anything good about Marijuana, only bad stuff about alcohol.

Fine.

Marijuana has accepted medical uses (that aren't accepted by the US govt, what a shock)

Govt also shouldn't interfere with what I want to do at home

There, happy?

Oh yeah, and this

Originally posted by: Dragula22
Reasons to make marijuana legal:

Relaxation
Music sounds better
Food tastes better
Sex feels better
Pain Relief
Mundane tasks become more entertaining
Ideas (practical/philosophical) flow easily

and many more..

Not for everyone but no reason to outlaw it to those who use it responsibly.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: BrownTown

Originally posted by: scott916

Originally posted by: BrownTown
Marijuana is illegal and should remain so. Acting like the people who want it legalized don't give two shits about cancer patients is just silly, they are just a bunch of potheads who want to make their addiction legal.

In this case they obviously don't care about the cancer patients. Are you implying that a dying person who is in great pain that is successfully relieved by cannabis rather than morphine is a pothead addict? Go troll elsewhere.

I'll say I'm for allowing MJ to be used as a medicine if you say you are for stricter enforcement of MJ laws from people with out a prescription...

Do all of yall support legalizing heroin and cocaine and meth etc? And why not at age 12 while were at it?

Both heroin (or at least morphine) and meth (desoxyn) are given to children under 12 for pain relief and ADHD respectively. Both of these drugs are highly physically addictive and can easily kill you. Cannabis can never be given to anyone under US law, under any circumstances. Cannabis is not addictive and cannot kill you.