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smackababy

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The Broncos are clearly the best team in the NFL, but I wouldn't bet on them beating the Colts in Indy or on a neutral field.

The Broncos are two teams: one that is unstoppable and one that has Peyton flustered on his back. I wouldn't put it past the Colts to be able to hit him, but I wouldn't bet on either. They aren't unbeatable, but they certainly are getting there. I wonder how many years Peyton has left in the tank now that he has the record?
 

Retro Rob

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Rams had fairly mediocre offensive numbers, still not sure how they won.

I'd say because Seattle probably isn't what we thought they were, and we're seeing the reason why teams have a hard time repeating.

You lose players, you have a target on your back, and with a team like the Seachickens, you lose that "magic" from last year.

I think stuff just went their way last year. That's not happening thus far, IMO.
 

dank69

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I'd say because Seattle probably isn't what we thought they were, and we're seeing the reason why teams have a hard time repeating.

You lose players, you have a target on your back, and with a team like the Seachickens, you lose that "magic" from last year.

I think stuff just went their way last year. That's not happening thus far, IMO.

League also cracking down on the full cavity search style of pass defense.
 

Ricochet

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Seahawks offensive line was non-existent. Wilson has to scramble immediately after just about every snap. With OL sucking so bad Lynch doesn't have much space to work with either.

Really, Rams won by their special teams trick play (x2) and favorable home calls. Their offense isn't really impressing anybody. Seattle defense have already been exposed by Chargers & Cowboys. Neither Niners or Sea are playing anywhere near last season's level.
 

Retro Rob

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League also cracking down on the full cavity search style of pass defense.

I'm under the opinion that low-skilled players can thrive when they're allowed to rape guys like that, high-skilled players (defenders) don't need that as compensation for their lack of ability to cover.

Sure, it favors the offense, but it forces CB's to actually "cover".
 

smackababy

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I'm under the opinion that low-skilled players can thrive when they're allowed to rape guys like that, high-skilled players (defenders) don't need that as compensation for their lack of ability to cover.

Sure, it favors the offense, but it forces CB's to actually "cover".

No. Not at all. The average size of a corner is like 5'10. With receivers only getting larger and more physical, hamstringing corners into a "no touching!" garbage is just going to make defenses irrelevant. The NFL wants shootouts, because they think that is what crowds want.

Soon, the biggest hits we are going to see will be from elevator video. Too soon?
 

smackababy

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I just saw the replay of some of the highlights during lunch and was wondering if there was any real information on advancing the ball after a fair catch is called. Is it only the player who calls it who is unable to advance the ball or is it anyone? I am asking in reference to the "trick" return St. Louis did on Seattle.
 

RPD

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they have wildcard potential, but this is easily the worst Harbaugh Niners team, going into this season.

A lot of other people expected them to slide this year...but I honestly didn't expect them to look this bad throughout these weeks.

Last year, this game would not have played out like this.

Game went as I thought, not that we would have won, but so many injuries on D and apparently we can't run the ball any more. Those are/were the core this team was built on the last three years. Stout D and the ability to pound the ball. We don't do that we typically lose 80%+ of the time.

Even if our d was full strength I say not much changes as our secondary is the worst part of our D (excluding safeties).
 

zinfamous

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I just saw the replay of some of the highlights during lunch and was wondering if there was any real information on advancing the ball after a fair catch is called. Is it only the player who calls it who is unable to advance the ball or is it anyone? I am asking in reference to the "trick" return St. Louis did on Seattle.

I still haven't seen an actual fair catch signal on that play.

Could be that it was made before the cameras got there and so there isn't hard evidence for it, but I think the refs ignored Carroll's protests because they argued that there was no fair catch anyway.
 

dank69

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Game went as I thought, not that we would have won, but so many injuries on D and apparently we can't run the ball any more. Those are/were the core this team was built on the last three years. Stout D and the ability to pound the ball. We don't do that we typically lose 80%+ of the time.
They were running fine in the first quarter. Gore seemed to be picking up 4 yards per carry. That pick Kaep threw to set up PFM's 3rd TD really hurt everyone's morale I think.
 

RPD

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They were running fine in the first quarter. Gore seemed to be picking up 4 yards per carry. That pick Kaep threw to set up PFM's 3rd TD really hurt everyone's morale I think.

I didn't watch the game, only viewed stats and updates otherwise I knew my kids might learn some new choice words.
 

zinfamous

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Looks like someone is forgetting the complete and thorough beatdown the 49ers received at home against the Colts last year.

I remember that game; it was awesome. It was also a sleeper game, probably, for the Niners. I think those Colts were going into that game 2-2 or 2-3 or something, impressing no one, and the Niners had just come off of Seattle or preparing for Seattle the next week, or something like that.

Now, I'm not arguing for an excuse for lack of preparation, especially at home, but that's really what that game looked like. I think preparing for what was then a somewhat middling Colts team (obviously better than everyone thought they were) and at Denver on the road are different things.
 

smackababy

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I still haven't seen an actual fair catch signal on that play.

Could be that it was made before the cameras got there and so there isn't hard evidence for it, but I think the refs ignored Carroll's protests because they argued that there was no fair catch anyway.

Well, I can't recall if there was a fair catch, or what even looked like a fair catch. If the player even slightly waved his hand, it is a fair catch from what I've seen officials do. I was just wondering, had he waived a fair catch, could another player attempt to advance the ball?

I think we should take away that Seattle wasn't really out of it even with that special teams play. It took a fake punt conversion in St. Louis' own territory to even seal the game. A ballsy move, but it was that or let Russell drive the field.
 

dank69

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Collinsworth was really bothering me last night, too. When Crabtree dropped that laser he said something like "that's like seeing Haley's Comet. Crabtree maybe drops 1/300 passes. Throw that 10 times to him and he'll catch it all 10 times." Uh Chris, did you forget Crabtree dropped a pass on the 1st play of the first drive?

Then he also said the 9ers hadn't been able to run the ball when Gore got stood up at the line of scrimmage... Again, Gore had been picking up about 4 yards per carry up to that point.
 

zinfamous

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Well, I can't recall if there was a fair catch, or what even looked like a fair catch. If the player even slightly waved his hand, it is a fair catch from what I've seen officials do. I was just wondering, had he waived a fair catch, could another player attempt to advance the ball?

I think we should take away that Seattle wasn't really out of it even with that special teams play. It took a fake punt conversion in St. Louis' own territory to even seal the game. A ballsy move, but it was that or let Russell drive the field.

Yeah, I think the play worked so well because all of StL bit to the right side of the field, essentially telegraphing to Seattle (with their backs turned), that the ball was going in that direction. A fair catch wasn't needed, as the field was already being cleared to the left. StL knew that the ball would be punted to the left side of the field on that play, so you keep a spy to run back from the line and quietly scoop it up. As others have posted, it has been done before with the Bears using Hester as a decoy. That was called back because of a hold, so they couldn't really address the fair catch issue then.

And yeah, Seattle was in that game the second half. Probably due to the Rams always falling apart in the 2nd half this season. Fisher is a genius, though. Or, he just has balls.
 

zinfamous

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Collinsworth was really bothering me last night, too. When Crabtree dropped that laser he said something like "that's like seeing Haley's Comet. Crabtree maybe drops 1/300 passes. Throw that 10 times to him and he'll catch it all 10 times." Uh Chris, did you forget Crabtree dropped a pass on the 1st play of the first drive?

Then he also said the 9ers hadn't been able to run the ball when Gore got stood up at the line of scrimmage... Again, Gore had been picking up about 4 yards per carry up to that point.

I'm pretty sure Collinsworth is on his way to being the contemporary Sumerall. Seems to me that he's getting plastered in that booth on every broadcast.
 

smackababy

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Yeah, I think the play worked so well because all of StL bit to the right side of the field, essentially telegraphing to Seattle (with their backs turned), that the ball was going in that direction. A fair catch wasn't needed, as the field was already being cleared to the left. StL knew that the ball would be punted to the left side of the field on that play, so you keep a spy to run back from the line and quietly scoop it up. As others have posted, it has been done before with the Bears using Hester as a decoy. That was called back because of a hold, so they couldn't really address the fair catch issue then.

And yeah, Seattle was in that game the second half. Probably due to the Rams always falling apart in the 2nd half this season. Fisher is a genius, though. Or, he just has balls.

I was just wondering the official word on the rules of fair catch.

And the fake punt was actually the best play, IMO. I mean, sure, it was high risk and I am saying that after it worked, but if they just punted it, it is pretty likely they lose. Giving the ball back to Wilson, even with 50+ yards to get into field goal range at that point is still a bad proposition. They had failed to contain him on the scramble and he was on fire throwing. Seattle only had to continue to run bootlegs with a medium range out with a TE. The LB either commits to Wilson and he dumps it over his head for a quick gain and he gets out of bounds, or he stays back and Wilson gets a chunk on the ground and gets out of bounds. St. Louis had no answer for that. They had to keep the ball to win.

I do think the refs blew that fumble call though. It looked like Sherman (I believe it was Sherman) was the closest to having possession before the scrum.
 

rudeguy

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he's fine making quick throws. If you blitz him, he's going to pick you apart over the middle and on screens. Peyton could not care less about a pass rush. Until he gets knocked down. If SF can put Peyton on his back multiple times in the first quarter they have a shot.

Not to say I told you so....


but I told you so.
 

rudeguy

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That wouldn't be a huge upset though. I'd have taken SF in the SB over Denver last year, as well. SF looked good (eventually) last night and I expect that to carry over to Denver. I think SF's D will limit Peyton enough Kaep and Co can keep the game in their favor.

Niner's defense finally found a way to stop Peyton!


Let him score so much in the first half that the sit him the second half :awe:
 

akugami

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Niner's defense finally found a way to stop Peyton!


Let him score so much in the first half that the sit him the second half :awe:

Is that what they were doing by letting him score in 1 to 3 plays?
There were two 3 play drives and one 1 play drive for TD's.


Here's how I'd rank the NFC.
Dallas
Green Bay
Philadelphia
Arizona
Detroit

Philadelphia has been playing some pretty crappy football and still winning. Hell, they had a chance to go 6-0 rather than their 5-1 record. They were in it late in the 4th quarter with a chance to win the game against San Fran. With no offensive TD's. Philadelphia O-line going to get back two starters in a week or two. This should solidify the O-line which is what I think has stalled the offense. Thanksgiving day with Dallas vs Philadelphia is going to be very entertaining. I'm still rooting for another 8-8 season for Dallas. :awe:
 
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