Voodoo 5 6000 preview

[Michael]

NOS - How loaded is your system? My main system has a monitor (power supply), the case (power supply), a FF steering wheel (power supply), a powered sub-woofer (power supply), a printer (power supply), A DVD Anywhere (not connected right now - but power supply), a scanner (power supply), a Palm V base (power supply), a cable modem (power supply), and a 8-port switch (power supply).

At least 3dfx isn't making it a wall wart.

Michael

 

[NFS4]

Let's put it this way. Sure, the damn thing has 4 chips. Big deal. It has an external power supply. So what, it's better than then the thing not getting enough power through the AGP slot. It may be big, but as stated before those who can afford it should have a big enough case.

I'll never buy one, but as long as they produce it people will buy it and you can't stop them

 

[Leon]

Micheal:

Here is something that is much more important than V56k demonstration (at least for me)

3dfx were also demonstrating an entirely different product (no, it wasn't a graphics card), but we had to sign an NDA to see it and so we can't tell you anything about it until October 9th. What we can tell you is that it marks something of a new direction for 3dfx as they diversify their products, so be sure to come back next month to find out more!

http://www.eurogamer.net/content/ects2k_diary/5

 

[WoundedWallet]

Am I the only one that noticed that the guy holding the foot-long thing is named Peter Male?

Is that a big coincidence or is 3dFx playing with our ego?

I just want you guys to know that it's not the size of the hammer....

And, no! I don't have any visible disabilities

 

[3dfxAlf]

This is just an observation... no need to reply and I intend to let this thread drop after this post... but I felt I had to point it out. I see people slamming the 6000 because of it's price, and I see the Ultra mentioned, but I don't see any one slamming the Ultra's rather hefty price tag.

 

[NFS4]

I've seen PLENTY slam the Ultra's price. Even die hard nVidiots! Hell, I'll even slam the price. It's too damn much.

OTOH, it is $100 cheaper than the 6000

 

[Mikewarrior2]

I agree with NFS4, even though it isn't in this thread, hte GF2 ultra's price has been slammed plenty of times. The price of both cards is totally ridiculous, but like nFS4 said, the GF2 Ultra is $100 cheaper than the 6000.



Mike

 

[Soccerman]

"Just because it fits in your case doesn't mean you're going to have airflow disruptions."

I'm not complaining about how it would affect my airflow. it would do so in a positive manner. it would force more cooling air from the front fan though the cards, and out the back on the bottom. no sweat. I also have a nice big 120mm fan blowing in on the side ontop of the video card and above it. if I need more cooling, I'll just add 2 more 80mm fans.. one above the 120mm fan, and one more 80mm beside the one already blowing out at the top.

oh, and I DO run my computer overclocked.

oh and finally, I'm not getting it, I'm just stating that if you are complaining so much, you're too stubborn to do anything about the problem, and instead complain about it.

 

[Michael]

Alf - I don't think that a 3dfx employee should be complaining on this BBS. Make cards that are the absolute top of the line and most here will rally 100% behind 3dfx. The VSA-100 cards are great (I have a V5 5500 which I love), but they are beaten in most benchmarks, and they are expensive.

What I find hard to take about the bashing is that the same people do it over and over. These people have stated quite a few times that they have no intention of buying a 3dfx card but they seem to find it necessary to bash 3dfx in every opportunity they have.

As Soccerman pointed out, their bashing is whining that any real overclocker or tech enthusiast could deal with. They just don't get that the VSA-100 cards are good and they suit many customers just fine.

Michael

 

[MaxFPS]

<< Here is something that is much more important than V56k demonstration (at least for me)

3dfx were also demonstrating an entirely different product (no, it wasn't a graphics card), but we had to sign an NDA to see it and so we can't tell you anything about it until October 9th. What we can tell you is that it marks something of a new direction for 3dfx as they diversify their products, so be sure to come back next month to find out more! >>



I was either going to email you about this or PM you but you have neither enabled
VR goggles (can't remember the other name I read as it was referred to ) ring a bell, Leon? Or I missed this one?

 

[TheBeast]

Its called voodooTV. No news on what it actually is, but that is what the product is called.

 

[MaxFPS]

TheBeast
Where did you hear that? Link, maybe?

 

[hans007]

i dont get how you guys can say that the voodoo5 6000 is such a bad setup. I mean sure it has 4 CPUs. That isnt a BAD thing? I mean you are saying 1 geforce 2 ultra will be about as fast. So what? Its a competitor and will be a solid one. The fact that it uses 4 CPUs is a non issue. Why dont you say that the geforce2 ultra needs very very expensive DDR memory at 500mhz just to compete with it? Well because you are all biased. And if nvidia were really threatened couldn't they just come out with a geforce2 ultra with 2 chips or 4? Huh? well no.. maybe they CANT get one out. getting 4 cpus to work together is an engineering feat as it is, but people degrade it as some sort of lame last minute hack. I mean sure the CPUs cost more, but the fact that the sdram costs less might even offset that cost somewhat compared to the 250mhz ddr the ultra uses. They will both be fast cards. And if the instructions on them are followed then both will work well.

 

[BFG10K]

but I felt I had to point it out. I see people slamming the 6000 because of it's price, and I see the Ultra mentioned, but I don't see any one slamming the Ultra's rather hefty price tag

The GF2 Ultra price is $500 and the V5 6000 price is $600. And this is now when the Ultra is available but the Voodoo isn't. When the V5 6000 comes out nVidia will likely drop the price, making the difference even between the two boards even higher.

And let's not forget the ridiculous size and power consumption of the Voodoo. Four CPUs and four fans? A foot long? A wall outlet required? Come on! There is just no comparison. The Voodoo is a joke.

Not to mention the Voodoo won't have true AGP, tri-linear mip-mapping, asintrophic filtering and most importantly, T&amp;L. The GF2 Ultra costs less, has more features, has a normal size, has normal power requirements and will likely be faster with its one CPU than the four CPU Voodoo.

 

[BigToque]

&quot;Not to mention the Voodoo won't have true AGP, tri-linear mip-mapping, asintrophic filtering and most importantly, T&amp;L&quot;


ohhh... T&amp;L... the feature of the gods. Buddy, I can almost guarentee you that by the time games actually use T&amp;L, you wont be using a GeForce 2 Ultra.

Theres a lot of people who say 3dfx's FSAA is a completly useless and stupid feature. If so, why did nVidia feel they needed to include it in their drivers? The fact is, FSAA is a very usefull feature, but nobody has produced a card that can use it to its full potential. 3dfx took a chance on a feature that every single game could benefit from. nVidia chose took a chance on a feature that is used in almost no games. FSAA will only get better and T&amp;L will eventually find its way into video games.

People say that 3dfx sucks because they need 4 chips to *compete* with nVidia's 1 chip solution. If you think that, your an idiot. 3dfx chose to use a 4 chip solution. I'm quite sure the people designing the cards could have easily produced a single chip solution, but they decided this way was a better way to go.

Why does the length of the card matter at all? It will still fit in most cases. Does it matter what it looks like? 1024x768 @ 32bit @ 100 FPS on a GeForce 2 Ultra, is the same as 1024x768 @ 32bit @ 100 FPS on a v5 6k

$600 is too much for a card? Fscking rights it is
$500 is too much for a card? Fscking rights it is

I guarentee you that 3dfx sells as few v5 6000's as nVidia sells GeForce 2 Ultra's. 90% of the population doesnt care to waste that much money on a video card. I sure as hell dont.

 

[Wingznut]

&quot;and most importantly, T&amp;L&quot;

Ok, let's say my V5 had T&amp;L... What the hell would I use it for?

The answer: NOTHING.

I know, I know... eventually there will be games that are optimized for T&amp;L. But that's like a couple vid card generations away.
And please don't give me Evolva or MDK2 or Q3A. Evolva sucks, and I don't seem to have a problem running the other two at well above acceptable frame rates, with detail levels maxed.

Imho, T&amp;L is the most overrated vapor-feature in a long, long time.

 

[BFG10K]

ohhh... T&amp;L... the feature of the gods. Buddy, I can almost guarentee you that by the time games actually use T&amp;L, you wont be using a GeForce 2 Ultra.

There are over a hundred T&amp;L enhanced games either out or in development right now. Why won't I be using a GF2 Ultra? Heck I will be using the GF2 MX or the original GF if I want! In contrast the $600 V5 6000 monster will be obsolete as soon as it hits the shelves.

Imho, T&amp;L is the most overrated vapor-feature in a long, long time.

Well John Carmack would disagree. In fact his low end development system now has a GF board in it. Tim Sweeny would disagree too. The new Unreal 2 engine will run only under Direct 3D and require T&amp;L. Without it the engine couldn't exist. This is just a glimpse of the impending doom of 3dfx.

People say that 3dfx sucks because they need 4 chips to *compete* with nVidia's 1 chip solution. If you think that, your an idiot. 3dfx chose to use a 4 chip solution. I'm quite sure the people designing the cards could have easily produced a single chip solution, but they decided this way was a better way to go.

If they chose the single chip solution they would have totally dropped off the benchmarking charts. 3dfx had no choice but to use multiple-CPUs in order to stay anywhere near the competition.

But now they claim that they wanted to do this to &quot;solve&quot; memory bandwidth problems. Bullsh*t. What problems have they solved? All I can see is crap performance.

So what you are saying is that they purposefully released an inferior product when they knew it was going to be at the bottom of the heap? That doesn't sound like good business sense to me.

It's just like the 32 bit/large texures fiasco with the V3. 3dfx were forced to release it like this because of slipping shipping dates, but then they turned around and started prattling on about how they did it &quot;on purpose&quot; and for &quot;speed&quot; reasons.

History is repeating itself yet again.

 

[BigToque]

&quot;All I can see is crap performance&quot;

&quot;So what you are saying is that they purposefully released an inferior product when they knew it was going to be at the bottom of the heap?&quot;

The v5 6000 is the most powerful video card ever released.

Take any game, and run it at 1024x768 @ 32bit w/ 4x FSAA on a GeForce Ultra, then run the same test on a v5 6000. I bet you the v5 6000 beats the Ultra.

 

[Wingznut]

Well, when the &quot;hundred T&amp;L enhanced games&quot; come out, and when &quot;the new Unreal 2 engine&quot; games come out, then I suppose T&amp;L will be important. Let me rephrase a bit... When any GOOD T&amp;L games come out, that won't run well-above acceptable on my V5, then I'll be concerned.

But how far away is that? And how many video card generations away?

The fact is that T&amp;L is not important today. Nor will it be tomorrow. Sure, it'll be important... eventually. But puh-leeze, don't even suggest that I need it right now.

 

[Wingznut]

And where exactly, do you see &quot;crap performance&quot;?

I can run Q3 and FAKK2 at 1280 resolution with no problem.
I run NFS5, Madden2001, NHL2000 at 1024 resolution, with 4xFSAA on. (Which looks AMAZING, I might add.)
I run MDK2 and UT at 1024 resolution, with 2xFSAA on.
All of the above with details on max, and all at above acceptable frame rates.

 

[Sephiroth_IX]

WE HAVE NOT SEEN THE v5 IN STORES SO WE CANNOT SAY IT WILL BE $600. MSRP is different. I'd say you will see if for $519, which is still as outragous.

 

[AngelOfDeath]

That card is a laugh...Who would ever buy that monster. This is the first card in the world that's able to stop any kind of air-circulation.

Wonderering...how big is V7000 gona be???...You'll probably gonna need two towers :| :|

AoD

 

[BFG10K]

The v5 6000 is the most powerful video card ever released.

It is? Funny, I thought it wasn't even out yet! Do you have some benchmarks to back up your statement?

Take any game, and run it at 1024x768 @ 32bit w/ 4x FSAA on a GeForce Ultra, then run the same test on a v5 6000. I bet you the v5 6000 beats the Ultra.

It's very hard to benchmark a board that isn't available yet.

And where exactly, do you see &quot;crap performance&quot;?

Every single benchmarking site on the web that has a GF based board and a V5 board on the same set of graphs.

WE HAVE NOT SEEN THE v5 IN STORES SO WE CANNOT SAY IT WILL BE $600. MSRP is different.

That's how much 3dfx says it will cost. But your right, it will probably be even more.

Wonderering...how big is V7000 gona be???...You'll probably gonna need two towers

The V7??? Geez, I can just imagine this one: 64 CPUs, 512 MB VRAM, 128 fans, embedded on its own separate motherboard inside a box dipped in liquid nitrogen, requires four wall outlets, requires 3 AGP slots, cost $4000.

 

[AngelOfDeath]

 

[Hardware]

Wingznut can you do a 3dmark test and post the chipset feature list from the v5500 I think we need something to laugh about!

3dfx: a huge slow (real) 32mb card with 100w and no features for $600 (cant real overclock!!!) with medicore drivers
nvidia: a normal fast 64mb card with est. 40w all features for $500 (overclock friendly) with outstanding drivers

I bet we wont see a v6000 on the shelf


3dfx send no 4500 to the big sites are they out of money (or is the card just to weak?)!!!