Voodoo5 6000

[Hardware]

The v5500 is using 46w in 3d so the v6000 should be around 100W!

 

[Eli]

Bah... I have a Full Length VLB video card that looks cooler than that thing. 2mb 100ns DRAM .. Made in 1988.. You should see this thing.. It's comical.. I'll have to take a picture of it ..

1/4 the card is the memory.. 16x64kb 100ns chips.. It has two giant BIOS chips along the bottom, and another chip labeled XL ROM by those.. Then above that it has 4 frequency crystals in giant metal boxes.. 25.175MHz, 28.322MHz, 35.00MHz, 44.90Mhz, and 65.00MHz..

It still works great.. hehe..

 

[Wingznut]

I think that the size of the card is a valid issue, it won't fit in my case for sure, and I'm sure other people will have the same problem."

*sigh* I guess I need to repeat myself.

If buying a new case would be such an issue... then why wasn't it such an issue when AMD released the Athlon? And why wasn't it such an issue to have to buy a new mobo, when AMD released socketA cpu's?

Because we are talking about 3dfx here. And it's very much in style to bash 3dfx on this msg board.

LOL, now you guys are bashing them, because your electricity bill might go up. LMAO. whatever.

 

[BFG10K]

I severely doubt the V5 6000 will be on par with a GF2 Ultra. Even Tom himself was saying that a GF2 Ultra doubles a V5 5500 and he doesn't think that the V5 6000 will be double the speed of a V5 5500.

I find a big problem with using a card the size of a canoe paddle which requires a power supply from a wall socket. Why does 3dfx require 4 chips to compete with a single CPU GF2 Ultra? I thought 3dfx's implementation was supposed to be "efficient" and "fast". I don't see any evidence of this anywhere. I see the dual CPU V5 5500 getting half the scores of a GF2 Ultra which only has one CPU.

Not to mention the high costs and wasted resources associated multi-CPU designs. 3dfx have not solved the memory bandwidth problem by going the multi-CPU way, they have made it worse because of the data duplication that is required. Not to mention that a 64 MB V5 5500 has only 28 MB of actual RAM to use, and the V5 6000 monster wil only have 58.5 MB of its 128 MB of RAM to actually use.

Something is wrong if a company has to throw more CPUs on their boards just to stop falling off the benchmarking charts. Also let's not forget this $600 card will not have true AGP, T&L, true tri-linear mip-mapping or rolling bump mapping. This card is biggest rip-off of the century.

And Rampage will have 8 CPUs. Holy crap! They will probably need 256 MB of RAM on it or something, and you will have less than one eight of that RAM to use. I can just see the Rampage going for the price of a whole new computer.

 

[Wingznut]

"I can just see the Rampage going for the price of a whole new computer."
Yeah, right... I'm sure the Rampage will sell for a grand. Puh-leeze.

"I find a big problem with using a card the size of a canoe paddle which requires a power supply from a wall socket"
So, what's the "big" problem?

Personally, I couldn't give a rat's @ss how many chips it had. All that matters is whether or not the piece of hardware is worth it's price, for my uses. And I feel that I must add that $500+ is too much for a video card, for my uses. And that includes the GTSU.

But I don't see nVidia getting the kind of heat that 3dfx does. Sure, they got some, but not nearly as much.

 

[kami]

Guys, this board is pathetically expensive, stupidly big, and power hungry...

but you know what? if you have the money, and the space in your case your games are going to fscking fly.

Weren't there people reporting on prototype boards that were running Quake3 smoothly at around 60fps in 2048x1536 resolution? And 60FPS+ in 1024x768x32 with 4X FSAA? That is pretty damn sweet. I'll never be foolish enough to buy one, but don't deny that it's one fast bitch.

 

[Eli]

Hehe, I like your sig kami

 

[HannibalX]

OMG! LOL! I'm laughing my arse off!

*wipes pee of leg*

 

[Howard]

Hmm, there's a lot of wasted space there. Assuming this is the real deal, if the chips were shifted a little lower, toward the AGP connector-thingie, I'm sure that they could fit another chip above it, making a 2x2 formation. Put the memory on the end, and I'm sure it could be shortened a lot.

What kind of designers would leave so damn much space between the chips and memory, anyway? I don't even see traces. I've gotta zoom. :|

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

So long old smileys. You will surely be missed. :-( Thanks for taking a screen of them for us, kami.

 

[Howard]

No damn traces on this mother!

 

[Howard]

If they put them on the back... That's damn stupid, it brings up the price even more.

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

The traces are there. Find a pic of the 6k up close. You'll see 'em. I have anyway...

 

[NOS]

Holy schnikeys!

 

[MrsSkywalker]

Edit: I'm(Ben) on my wife's desktop, forgot, and typed a post

 

[Doomguy]

Paulson: Haha you're wrong there kid. The problem with the geforce cards was due to motherboard's not following the proper agp specifications. Thats why intel chipset motherboards didnt have problems. Also nvidia uses agp texturing and chipsets like via dont follow the specification properly so that caused more problems.

 

[Michael]

Doomguy - First, there are two different types of GeForce / AGP problems.

The first is a power problem which affected the GF cards (not the GF2 cards). Is was related to the way some MB makers delivered power to the AGP slot. Because the GF was so close to the limit of what the AGP slot could provide, some MB's could not handle it. Note that some older LX MB's have problems with many other videocards, but the GF problem was much more widespread than that.

3dfx at least removed that as an issue by not relying on the AGP slot to provided power.

The second problem is using the AGP slot at more than 1X speed. This seems to be a problem with AMD and VIA chipsets. The drivers have had a work around for a while (they disable the AGP features without warning or informing the user).

It could be argued that these chipsets are not following the "spec", but they do make up a pretty high percentage of the MB population. It would have been good if NVIDIA had worked with them to ensure their products could work as advertised. I haven't heard of ATi having this problem (3dfx doesn't use all the AGP features so this isn't as much an issue for them although there was a rumour that the reason for the extra V5 5500 delay was to ensure it worked properly on Via-based motherboards).

BenSkyWalker - First - congrats on the newborn. I'm surprised you're awake enough to post these days. Mrs Michael and I went to the beach with our 3 year old yesterday, kids are great.

Second - I've looked to see if I could find a specs document for ATX cases. I have a couple of case styles and it would fit in all of them (one, a mini-tower, I might have to sacrifice one 3 1/2" bay but it is a $30 case and I doubt that someone buying a $600 video card would be using such a cheap case).

All the size "issues" that I've read about seem to be drive cage related. My very loaded mid-tower has plenty of room for a V5 6K (I'm not intending on buying one).

Michael

ps - regular as clockwork, as soon as the V5 6K is mentioned the same people always jump in and start bashing it.

 

[Hardware]

Wow "Diamond Member" whats this?

Well with 100W the v6000 adds serious heat to your system!

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

As long as you have decent cooling (fan sucking in on bottom of case and fan sucking out at top) then I fail to see how the extra heat generated by the V5 would cause a problem.

 

[Wingznut]

Yeah Hardware? You also said that the 5500 would add too much heat to my system. Well, guess what? My case and cpu temps are exactly the same after I got my 5500, as they were before. (So much for your theories.)

"The problem with the geforce cards was due to motherboard's not following the proper agp specifications."
And wasn't the problems that the GeForce cards had with UT and Deus Ex, due to the crappy engine? Let me get this straight... If 3dfx has an issue with one of it's cards, it's 3dfx's fault. But, if there's an issue with an nVidia card, then it must be the hardware/app's fault. Did the same theory apply with the old TNT/Super7 mobo problem? If I remember correctly, it did.

And does it really matter who's fault it is? I mean it either works, or it doesn't. Right?

 

[Hardware]

I just said the V6000 will add heat for 100W to your system.
As long you dont upgrade your cooling solution your pc will heat up.
This CAN be a new source of trouble and stabilty problems!

 

[Wingznut]

And I'm just saying that you said the same thing regarding the 5500. And it couldn't be more false, because I added no cooling after I upgraded to my 5500, and temps stayed the same.

The amount of heat that these cards "may" cause, is insignificant. Yet, you are trying to make it out as if they will add heat, causing instability in your PC. This is simply untrue.

 

[BttrThnU]

why do you guys argue over stuff like this ? to each his own ..... 3dfx buy 3dfx , nvidiots (like me) buy nvidia eventho im an nvidiot (nv since riva128 ) id trade my geforce ddr for a v5 6000 in a heartbeat cuz i am sure its faster than a ole geforce 1 maybe by a longshot . but given the choice betweek v5 6k and GF2Ultra id probably go Geforce 2 Ultra but thats me and noones gonna change that so all you flamers chill out !!! lol

 

[Soccerman]

"Diamond Member"

OK WTF? where did that come from? NFS4 and I have been here alot longer then u and we don't have that (I think)...

and look at this, I've got my BBS background set to a specific color (I personally defined it with RGP values, and now the Anandtech logo at the top right is the exact color? it used to be straight white with dard lettering..

BTW, the Voodoo 5 6K still looks pretty nice IMHO, even thuogh T&L games are going to start coming out. it'd be nice if they could put a sage chip on their for good measure.. or maybe make it with VSA-200 chips which support the Sage chips. hhe.. its nice to dream!

 

[Hardware]

Hey wingznut how about going back to school (still there?)
its basic physics if you add heat to a system the temp will go up.
if you underclock you cpu heat will go down.
most people have a closed case with a default atx fan so in 90% of all cases the heat will go up.