Vote for Nader

Lovepig

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I'm (probably) voting for Ralph Nader. My vote will not matter in the election. None of our vote's will. One vote won't make a difference, but besides that, one politician won't make a difference over the other. Our lives and country will only be slightly different, but neither will make as big of a difference as they claim. Both are controlled by the Big Money, despite their claims - and Big Money will protect itself...

Our govt system won't get better until we begin having better choices altogether to vote for - unitl we can actually have candidates we WANT to vote for! If I vote Rep or Dem my vote is wasted in the masses. If you vote 3rd party, you candidate will not win, but if the 3rd party votes grow a little each year, then in 20 years we may be able to field valid 3rd party candidates who actually DO have a chance of winning. Maybe even 4th or 5th party candidates.

A vote for a 3rd party is a vote for your children or grandchildren to have a better system. So I will be 'wasting' my vote this year, by voting 3rd party, so my children's votes really do have a chance to matter...
 

Dissipate

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Originally posted by: Lovepig
Our govt system won't get better until we begin having better choices altogether to vote for - unitl we can actually have candidates we WANT to vote for!

That's what I call the "reform delusion." Read my lips: the government CANNOT be reformed. Reform will only come when the government is simply eliminated. If I could vote to eliminate the Congress, the White House & the Supreme Court, I would gladly do so. Funny though, none of those options will be on the ballot. The fedsters love democracy, because they know that positions will simply be filled, and whoever fills them will be sucked into the system and assimilated. There are exceptions to this, but they can be counted on one hand.

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nageov3t

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ugh. I can't stand Nader.

voting for someone just because they're a third-party canidate seems pretty foolish when I disagree with almost all of his politics.
 

Lovepig

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disagreeing with him is irrelevant until there is some chance of him winning. He won't win, but 3rd aprty will get more votes. And even if you agree with him he still won't win... At least no this year...

But by all means pick any 3rd party you like. I may even pick a different one. Just make sure you up the 3rd party votes... for the future, for the children!
 

OneOfTheseDays

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The question is this: Do you believe that a vote for Nader, is worth putting this country through potentially 4 more years of President Bush?
 

sMiLeYz

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Throw your vote away if you want, if you want to protest this election. Don't ask anybody else to do it with you. Reality is, government exists and a two party only system exists and are here to stay. However if any of you want to start a successful revolution, let me know I'll take part.

Until then my vote is for JFK.
 

dahunan

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DON't waste your vote for the presidency...

Third party candidates need to win smaller seats first before people do something stupid like waste votes in the MOST important election in US Politics...

DUH!... your vote... pluse 100 more votes.. plus more votes ... can cause the Democratic challenger to LOSE a state and therefore potentially lose the whole election...

Nader is a wolf in sheeps clothing... tell him to quit stroking his ego and to start a party from the ground up instead of destroying the presidential election process...
 

Lovepig

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"Do you believe that a vote for Nader, is worth putting this country through potentially 4 more years of President Bush? "

I don't have a choice. Bush wins! Kerry has no chance. He was set-up to lose so that Hillary can win in 2008.

"Throw your vote away if you want, if you want to protest this election. Don't ask anybody else to do it with you. Reality is, government exists and a two party only system exists and are here to stay. However if any of you want to start a successful revolution, let me know I'll take part. "

As I've been trying to explain, voting for the other 2 is throwing not only your vote this year, but all your votes for the next 20 years away! And I'll ask anyone I can to join me in it. Thank-you very much. That is what America is all about. Although, despite my best efforts and wishes, you may be right about the 2 party system. But I'll try to change it if I can. And regarding the revolution, I'll join as well, if anyone can think of a plan that even ~might~ have a chance of being successful...
 

0roo0roo

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Sep 21, 2002
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uhg. its like saying until i land a fantasy dream job, i'm not going to work at all. i mean.. why bother throwing up your hands and doing essentially nothing in the face of horror because you stubbornly wait for fantasy perfect solutions. its a type of irresponsibiliy and moral laziness.

the real world... come back to the real world.

course i doubt you really are voting for nader, probably just a repub stooge. i don't know how you can support a man that takes money from conservative hate groups and other dirtiness.

The question is this: Do you believe that a vote for Nader, is worth putting this country through potentially 4 more years of President Bush?

people like him would vote for nader for the next 50 years. letting the republicans stack the supreme court with their stooges, destroy the enviroment, roll back our rights, and destroy the lives of our children.
 

GMElias

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first of all, votes DO matter...also, it depends in which state you live. If you live in New York, sure, since Dems. will win, but somewhere like Florida is another issue! In that case, voting for Nader is essentially voting for Bush, UNLESS you think Nader can actually get enough percent (5% I think) to get money for next year.

-Elias
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: Lovepig
A vote for a 3rd party is a vote for your children or grandchildren to have a better system. So I will be 'wasting' my vote this year, by voting 3rd party, so my children's votes really do have a chance to matter...
That answer, my friend, is pissing in the wind.
That answer is pissing in the wind.

- with respect to Bob Dylan.

 

fjord

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From an Old Lefty: A  Plea to Young Voters
by David Morse

Take it from an old Lefty. Young or old, we are all political prisoners of our age. By this I mean our political consciousness is shaped by the weight of our years, and also by the experiences of our particular generation - its struggles, fears, aspirations, and assumptions.

Thus we respond differently to events, owing partly to our age and to the baggage of history we carry. I came to political consciousness during the Sixties. So, for example, the bill authorizing President George W. Bush to go to war with Iraq immediately brought to my mind the Gulf of Tonkin resolution, based on fraudulent intelligence, which authorized then-President Lyndon B. Johnson to expand the war in Vietnam. But for some older voters, that same resolution evoked World War II and Pearl Harbor. And for younger voters it may have carried no resonance at all.

Exactly how deep these generational fault-lines run was brought home to me powerfully at a recent ?Democracy Uprising? rally held along the route taken by the group of fifty or so mostly young people who were marching the 250 miles from Boston to New York to protest the Democratic and Republican conventions and sing the praises of grassroots activism.

Local activists in the town of Willimantic, Connecticut had set up a temporary stage, gotten poets to read, and had a good band playing to greet the marchers - testimony to the ability of this gritty little mill-town to muster support for progressive causes.

I was taken aback, however, by those marchers who identified themselves as anarchists. When I asked a woman of about twenty whether she intended to vote in the Presidential election, she said ?Probably not.? She saw no real difference between the two political parties.

Another anarchist, who said his name was Francisco diSantis, declared that the nation-state is intrinsically corrupt and evil. ?By voting in national elections,? he said, ?you are condoning a corrupt system.? Human beings function better in smaller groups, like this group of marchers, he observed. ?Look at this,? he said, gesturing to the hundred or so people who had turned out for the rally. ?We made this happen!?

?Well yes,? I said, ?But others made it happen too, and most of us believe we can do things like this and also vote.? Voting, I pointed out, is only one part of civic life. A starting-point, but an important one.

Suddenly it occurred to me I was talking across a generational divide. My own assumptions, shared by many my age whose political passions were forged on the anvil of Vietnam, had blinded me to the possibility that young idealistic people like these - whose political memories went back perhaps only as far as the tainted 2000 Presidential election - might choose not to vote.

So this is what I want to say to young voters, whose idealism I share.

First, I couldn?t agree more: the nation-state is intrinsically corrupt. And the larger and more powerful the nation, the more imperial its reach, the more its machinations run contrary to democracy. The Athenians and Romans learned as much, and we are learning it first-hand in this country.

And yes, I?m disappointed that John Kerry isn?t more intent on getting us out of Iraq. I was appalled recently to hear him say he would have taken the nation to war even knowing there were no weapons of mass destruction. The truth is, I have never encountered a candidate for higher office whom I could fully endorse. But that doesn?t stop me from supporting Kerry at least conditionally. And my support doesn?t stop my personal struggle to get American troops out of Iraq, and to address the root causes of war.

To assume that the process of two-party politics is hopeless, and to therefore abandon electoral politics, is to feed the corruption. You may boycott the election, but it will be at the expense of other people. If politics is the ?art of the possible,? then anarchism applied to national politics is simply wishful thinking. You may be sincere, but please understand it is an elitist position.

To those voters who feel too pure to cast a ballot in this hugely important election, I ask you to consider what four more years of George W. Bush will mean. Four more years of foreign policy driven by Halliburton. Four more years of foot-dragging on AIDS help in Africa (promised by Bush, but never delivered). Four more years of tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans. Four more years of gutted environmental regulations and attacks on civil liberties. Four more years of the most cynical and corrupt administration in modern history.

You may be able to afford the price of your anarchism. But the rest of us cannot. Some will lose their health care, some their liberty, some their lives.

Get out and protest this idiotic war in Iraq, but get out and vote!

David Morse?s essays about Iraq have appeared in CommonDreams.org, Counterpunch, Salon and other online journals, as well as print magazines.
 

Pennstate

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Hmm... Lovepig, a search of your past posts seems to indicate that you are a Clinton-hater, anti-gay marriage, and anti-evolution/pro-creation science.



Hardly the typical Nader voter.

 

BA

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''If I could only go through the ducts and leap out onstage in a cape -- that's my dream''" - Ralph Nader on the debates

Nader may yet steal my vote away from Badnarik.
 
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Originally posted by: Pennstate
Hmm... Lovepig, a search of your past posts seems to indicate that you are a Clinton-hater, anti-gay marriage, and anti-evolution/pro-creation science.

Hardly the typical Nader voter.

Certainly, however, the kind of person who'd like to see President Bush re-elected, even if it means misleading a few idealistic young folks . . .
 
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