Vote to end debate on Bolton fails

BBond

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The Republicans refuse to produce documents at the request of the U.S. Senate that even Bolton's STAFF had access to.

No documents, no vote.

I have a feeling that those documents contain more than info on Bolton and that's why Bush is so vehement about NOT releasing them. Another smoking gun???

Bush will be sorry he ever considered this nut Bolton for UN Ambassador.



Vote to end debate on Bolton fails

Senate move delays decision on controversial U.N. nominee

Thursday, May 26, 2005 Posted: 7:19 PM EDT (2319 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- After hours of heated exchanges, the Senate failed Thursday evening to close off debate on President Bush's nomination of John R. Bolton to be ambassador to the United Nations.

The cloture vote would have paved the way for a vote on whether to confirm the controversial nominee.

Republicans needed 60 votes to cut off the debate; they fell short by four, with a 56-42 breakdown.

The debate on Bolton's nomination will now likely resume next month after senators return from their weeklong holiday break.

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist had said he wanted a vote on the nomination before the weeklong Memorial Day holiday.

"It does disappoint me," Frist said after the vote. "It looks like we have, once again, another filibuster."

Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid took issue with Frist's comment.

"This is the first filibuster of the year, and maybe the last. (I) hope so," the Nevada Democrat said.

After cloture, Bolton would need a simple majority to be confirmed by the Senate, which has 55 Republicans, 44 Democrats and one independent.

Two key Democratic senators -- Christopher Dodd of Connecticut and Joe Biden of Delaware -- asked their Democratic colleagues Thursday to vote against closing the debate.

The two said they wanted more time for the Bush administration to turn over requested documents relating to Syria and to 10 instances of communications intercepted by the National Security Agency.

The senators said Bolton had once sought those intercepts as the undersecretary of state for arms control.

In a letter to their peers, the two Democrats said the administration's refusal to provide the documents "is a threat to the Senate's constitutional power to advise and consent."

"The only way to protect that power is to continue to demand that the information be provided to the Senate," the senators said. "The only means of forcing the administration to cooperate is to prevent a final vote on the nomination today."

On the Senate floor, the debate was passionate on both sides of the aisle.

Sen. Barbara Boxer, a California Democrat, pointed to negative comments Bolton has made about the United Nations.

Bolton said during a Federalist Society forum in 1994: "If the U.N. secretary building in New York lost 10 stories, it wouldn't make a bit of difference."

Boxer asked: "What kind of credibility does he have walking onto the floor of the United Nations?"

Sen. Ted Kennedy, a Massachusetts Democrat, added: "The United Nations is the one and only organization where the nations of the world can link their unique strengths in a realistic hope of building a peaceful future for all humanity.

"We need a representative at the United Nations who supports that vision and is committed to that future for us all," he said. "John Bolton is not that person for that job."

But Sen. John McCain, an Arizona Republican, said Bolton would represent the nation well.

"The United Nations needs the presence of a tough, hard, dedicated individual that has been already, already confirmed in various posts four times by this body," he said.

Sen. Judd Gregg, a New Hampshire Republican, called for Democrats to allow Bolton's nomination to come to a vote.

"I hope we will move forward to a final vote on Mr. Bolton this afternoon and people who think he is the wrong choice and may have policy differences with the president on how we are pursuing liberty and democracy across the globe can vote against him on that basis," Gregg said.

At least one Republican, Sen. George Voinovich of Ohio, has said he will not vote for Bolton because he believes the State Department official could undermine Bush's foreign policy.

But the offices of other Republican moderates -- Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Susan Collins of Maine and Chuck Hagel of Nebraska -- indicated they would support Bush's pick.

Democrats have charged Bolton lacks the diplomatic skills for the job.

At his confirmation hearings last month, senators heard testimony that Bolton bullied subordinates and tried to get intelligence analysts who disagreed with him fired or reassigned.

One of Bolton's former State Department colleagues testified last month that Bolton was "a quintessential kiss-up, kick-down sort of guy."

He also was accused of manipulating intelligence to fit his preconceived notions and misleading the committee.

Bolton's supporters, including the White House, argue he is a seasoned government official who can spearhead reform at the United Nations.

The Republican-dominated Senate Foreign Relations Committee voted 10 to 8 along party lines two weeks ago to send the Bolton nomination to the full Senate. But the committee withheld its endorsement, something rarely done.
 

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that vote is almost straight down party lines. our congress is so pathetic
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: rickn
that vote is almost straight down party lines. our congress is so pathetic

Yep. They should have voted 100 to 0 against this clown.
 

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Crimson

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Originally posted by: gallivanter
Originally posted by: conjur
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/r....cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00129


What a fvcked-up vote!


Fristian voting NAY? Voinivich YEA?



And WTF is going on with Inouye? He's been VERY absent lately.


You really don't understand that vote?


Voinovich has always stated he would bring the nominee to the floor, that the President deserves that courtesy.

Senator Frist had to vote Nay in order to bring up a new motion.

Ir surprises you he doesn't understand whats happening?
 

DanJ

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Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: gallivanter
Originally posted by: conjur
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/r....cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00129
What a fvcked-up vote!

Fristian voting NAY? Voinivich YEA?

And WTF is going on with Inouye? He's been VERY absent lately.
You really don't understand that vote?

Voinovich has always stated he would bring the nominee to the floor, that the President deserves that courtesy.

Senator Frist had to vote Nay in order to bring up a new motion.
Ir surprises you he doesn't understand whats happening?
Oh, wow, Conjur didn't know exact Senate procedures that had to be followed to bring up a new motion..let's extrapolate that to everything else..everyone knows all the rules and procedures of Congress! Jeez! :roll:

I'm curious if either one of you googled or read around to find the answer before posting here...more of a rhetorical question though..carry on.
 

BBond

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Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist was the only Republican to vote against ending the delays, but he only did so because that gave him the procedural right to force the Senate to vote again on the issue.

Not that I doubt you're all experts in the minutiae of senate procedure but really, anyhone who read the news this morning or would know that.

For example, Democrats win crucial Bolton vote.

And everyone seems to be ignoring Bush's bloody nose, no matter what advantage Frist used in senate procedure . And this from the party that wants to change centuries old senate rules for their own short term advantage.

*edit*

Should have said procedures. And please excuse any typos. I haven't located my glasses yet.
 

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Bush will be sorry he ever considered this nut Bolton for UN Ambassador.

How would he ever know? Since when does he admit mistakes?
If he had Charles Manson in there, he'd say "he's doing a great job".
Hey, just realized, sounds like manson and Bolton are from the same mold.
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: randym431
Bush will be sorry he ever considered this nut Bolton for UN Ambassador.

How would he ever know? Since when does he admit mistakes?
If he had Charles Manson in there, he'd say "he's doing a great job".
Hey, just realized, sounds like manson and Bolton are from the same mold.

Kindasleazy can be his Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme.

Bwahaha


 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: BBond
The Republicans refuse to produce documents at the request of the U.S. Senate that even Bolton's STAFF had access to.

No documents, no vote.

I have a feeling that those documents contain more than info on Bolton and that's why Bush is so vehement about NOT releasing them. Another smoking gun???

Bush will be sorry he ever considered this nut Bolton for UN Ambassador.



Vote to end debate on Bolton fails

Senate move delays decision on controversial U.N. nominee

Thursday, May 26, 2005 Posted: 7:19 PM EDT (2319 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- After hours of heated exchanges, the Senate failed Thursday evening to close off debate on President Bush's nomination of John R. Bolton to be ambassador to the United Nations.

The cloture vote would have paved the way for a vote on whether to confirm the controversial nominee.

Republicans needed 60 votes to cut off the debate; they fell short by four, with a 56-42 breakdown.

The debate on Bolton's nomination will now likely resume next month after senators return from their weeklong holiday break.

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist had said he wanted a vote on the nomination before the weeklong Memorial Day holiday.

"It does disappoint me," Frist said after the vote. "It looks like we have, once again, another filibuster."

Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid took issue with Frist's comment.

"This is the first filibuster of the year, and maybe the last. (I) hope so," the Nevada Democrat said.

After cloture, Bolton would need a simple majority to be confirmed by the Senate, which has 55 Republicans, 44 Democrats and one independent.

Two key Democratic senators -- Christopher Dodd of Connecticut and Joe Biden of Delaware -- asked their Democratic colleagues Thursday to vote against closing the debate.

The two said they wanted more time for the Bush administration to turn over requested documents relating to Syria and to 10 instances of communications intercepted by the National Security Agency.

The senators said Bolton had once sought those intercepts as the undersecretary of state for arms control.

In a letter to their peers, the two Democrats said the administration's refusal to provide the documents "is a threat to the Senate's constitutional power to advise and consent."

"The only way to protect that power is to continue to demand that the information be provided to the Senate," the senators said. "The only means of forcing the administration to cooperate is to prevent a final vote on the nomination today."

On the Senate floor, the debate was passionate on both sides of the aisle.

Sen. Barbara Boxer, a California Democrat, pointed to negative comments Bolton has made about the United Nations.

Bolton said during a Federalist Society forum in 1994: "If the U.N. secretary building in New York lost 10 stories, it wouldn't make a bit of difference."

Boxer asked: "What kind of credibility does he have walking onto the floor of the United Nations?"

Sen. Ted Kennedy, a Massachusetts Democrat, added: "The United Nations is the one and only organization where the nations of the world can link their unique strengths in a realistic hope of building a peaceful future for all humanity.

"We need a representative at the United Nations who supports that vision and is committed to that future for us all," he said. "John Bolton is not that person for that job."

But Sen. John McCain, an Arizona Republican, said Bolton would represent the nation well.

"The United Nations needs the presence of a tough, hard, dedicated individual that has been already, already confirmed in various posts four times by this body," he said.

Sen. Judd Gregg, a New Hampshire Republican, called for Democrats to allow Bolton's nomination to come to a vote.

"I hope we will move forward to a final vote on Mr. Bolton this afternoon and people who think he is the wrong choice and may have policy differences with the president on how we are pursuing liberty and democracy across the globe can vote against him on that basis," Gregg said.

At least one Republican, Sen. George Voinovich of Ohio, has said he will not vote for Bolton because he believes the State Department official could undermine Bush's foreign policy.

But the offices of other Republican moderates -- Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Susan Collins of Maine and Chuck Hagel of Nebraska -- indicated they would support Bush's pick.

Democrats have charged Bolton lacks the diplomatic skills for the job.

At his confirmation hearings last month, senators heard testimony that Bolton bullied subordinates and tried to get intelligence analysts who disagreed with him fired or reassigned.

One of Bolton's former State Department colleagues testified last month that Bolton was "a quintessential kiss-up, kick-down sort of guy."

He also was accused of manipulating intelligence to fit his preconceived notions and misleading the committee.

Bolton's supporters, including the White House, argue he is a seasoned government official who can spearhead reform at the United Nations.

The Republican-dominated Senate Foreign Relations Committee voted 10 to 8 along party lines two weeks ago to send the Bolton nomination to the full Senate. But the committee withheld its endorsement, something rarely done.


I find it funny liberals like you are up in arms about things like the patriot act yet think it is just fine if classified documents are shown to people without clearence just to satisfy a witch hunt.


 

conjur

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classified documents. This administration would classify documents detailing how someone ties their shoes. Hell, they make classified documents RETROACTIVE even after some contents were already known.


Ever heard of Sibel Edmonds? Probably not....damn liberal media.
 

gallivanter

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Originally posted by: BBond
Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist was the only Republican to vote against ending the delays, but he only did so because that gave him the procedural right to force the Senate to vote again on the issue.

Not that I doubt you're all experts in the minutiae of senate procedure but really, anyhone who read the news this morning or would know that.

For example, Democrats win crucial Bolton vote.

And everyone seems to be ignoring Bush's bloody nose, no matter what advantage Frist used in senate procedure . And this from the party that wants to change centuries old senate rules for their own short term advantage.

*edit*

Should have said procedures. And please excuse any typos. I haven't located my glasses yet.


Except that I posted last night, but that is probably irrelevant. There is no point to, or possibility of, proving that which can not be proven.

On a related, but larger issue, perhaps some here are growing increasingly tired of others pontificating and hurling barbs and thinly veiled insults from some self-perceived high perch on subjects and issues that they have no basis for which to do so, and in many cases, possess an obvious lack of understanding and true knowledge.

As for the particular case here, there was no minutiae of Senate procedure involved. Any individual concerned with our ways of government who has read a book or two on the subject of the Constitution and the Senate would have known this, as would any person who even semi-casually watches C-Span.


But what do I know. I guess I'll go back to googling now, but before I do, I would like to comment on the President. It is true that this was a temporary setback for him, for Senator Frist. There should be no spin regarding that. It does not even matter how Senator Frist was lied to by a couple of his counterparts from the other side of the aisle. Even with all of that though, Mr. Bolton will be confirmed, and in the end the biggest bloody noses will belong to the real leaders of the Democrats in the Senate and to the compromising fourteen led by John McCain.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: conjur
classified documents. This administration would classify documents detailing how someone ties their shoes. Hell, they make classified documents RETROACTIVE even after some contents were already known.


Ever heard of Sibel Edmonds? Probably not....damn liberal media.

If the content is already known then why do they need the documents?
And does anybody really believe what is in these classified will sway any of these people?
You think Boxer, Reid, Kennedy, or Pelosi will vote for this guy even if the Classified material says he is fit for the job just like the rest of the material these hacks have combed over?

It is called a witch hunt, if you are fine with the witch hunts then dont come crying the next time a democrat is the victim.
 

conjur

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Did you not see Voinivich in tears on the Senate floor? There very could be (and likely is) something in those documents that would sway the few thinking Republicans left in the Senate.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: conjur
Did you not see Voinivich in tears on the Senate floor? There very could be (and likely is) something in those documents that would sway the few thinking Republicans left in the Senate.

Oh please tears? Could, maybe, possibly. This is all I hear from people on this issue.

So what happens after the classified material doesnt damn this guy to the 7th circle of Hell?

Then what?

 

conjur

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Then his nomination gets approved. But, why are they hiding this info? They're working overtime with that black Sharpie.
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: gallivanter
Originally posted by: BBond
Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist was the only Republican to vote against ending the delays, but he only did so because that gave him the procedural right to force the Senate to vote again on the issue.

Not that I doubt you're all experts in the minutiae of senate procedure but really, anyhone who read the news this morning or would know that.

For example, Democrats win crucial Bolton vote.

And everyone seems to be ignoring Bush's bloody nose, no matter what advantage Frist used in senate procedure . And this from the party that wants to change centuries old senate rules for their own short term advantage.

*edit*

Should have said procedures. And please excuse any typos. I haven't located my glasses yet.


Except that I posted last night, but that is probably irrelevant. There is no point to, or possibility of, proving that which can not be proven.

On a related, but larger issue, perhaps some here are growing increasingly tired of others pontificating and hurling barbs and thinly veiled insults from some self-perceived high perch on subjects and issues that they have no basis for which to do so, and in many cases, possess an obvious lack of understanding and true knowledge.

As for the particular case here, there was no minutiae of Senate procedure involved. Any individual concerned with our ways of government who has read a book or two on the subject of the Constitution and the Senate would have known this, as would any person who even semi-casually watches C-Span.


But what do I know. I guess I'll go back to googling now, but before I do, I would like to comment on the President. It is true that this was a temporary setback for him, for Senator Frist. There should be no spin regarding that. It does not even matter how Senator Frist was lied to by a couple of his counterparts from the other side of the aisle. Even with all of that though, Mr. Bolton will be confirmed, and in the end the biggest bloody noses will belong to the real leaders of the Democrats in the Senate and to the compromising fourteen led by John McCain.

We're discussing politics and news to the best of our meager abilities and relying the putrid U.S. press in many cases as our only source of information. I read foreign press as well. I do the best I can.

I struggle on with the unswerving knowledge that everything we told you people would happen if you allowed Bush to go off on this unjustifiable aggression has happened and is happening.

If the left is so incapable of remarking on these subjects, how do you describe the mess all of Bush's "experts" have made out of Iraq?

Maybe you people should disregard the ideologue "experts" of the Bush administration who lied to you to advance their secret agenda and defer instead to people whose insights were absolutely correct.

If you want to discuss these issues with experts you should join the Bush administration. You will be free to be as wrong there as you are here. And of course there will be no accountability whatsoever, quite probably a promotion, and perhaps even a Medal of Freedom.

:roll:
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: BBond
The Republicans refuse to produce documents at the request of the U.S. Senate that even Bolton's STAFF had access to.

No documents, no vote.

I have a feeling that those documents contain more than info on Bolton and that's why Bush is so vehement about NOT releasing them. Another smoking gun???

Bush will be sorry he ever considered this nut Bolton for UN Ambassador.



Vote to end debate on Bolton fails

Senate move delays decision on controversial U.N. nominee

Thursday, May 26, 2005 Posted: 7:19 PM EDT (2319 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- After hours of heated exchanges, the Senate failed Thursday evening to close off debate on President Bush's nomination of John R. Bolton to be ambassador to the United Nations.

The cloture vote would have paved the way for a vote on whether to confirm the controversial nominee.

Republicans needed 60 votes to cut off the debate; they fell short by four, with a 56-42 breakdown.

The debate on Bolton's nomination will now likely resume next month after senators return from their weeklong holiday break.

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist had said he wanted a vote on the nomination before the weeklong Memorial Day holiday.

"It does disappoint me," Frist said after the vote. "It looks like we have, once again, another filibuster."

Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid took issue with Frist's comment.

"This is the first filibuster of the year, and maybe the last. (I) hope so," the Nevada Democrat said.

After cloture, Bolton would need a simple majority to be confirmed by the Senate, which has 55 Republicans, 44 Democrats and one independent.

Two key Democratic senators -- Christopher Dodd of Connecticut and Joe Biden of Delaware -- asked their Democratic colleagues Thursday to vote against closing the debate.

The two said they wanted more time for the Bush administration to turn over requested documents relating to Syria and to 10 instances of communications intercepted by the National Security Agency.

The senators said Bolton had once sought those intercepts as the undersecretary of state for arms control.

In a letter to their peers, the two Democrats said the administration's refusal to provide the documents "is a threat to the Senate's constitutional power to advise and consent."

"The only way to protect that power is to continue to demand that the information be provided to the Senate," the senators said. "The only means of forcing the administration to cooperate is to prevent a final vote on the nomination today."

On the Senate floor, the debate was passionate on both sides of the aisle.

Sen. Barbara Boxer, a California Democrat, pointed to negative comments Bolton has made about the United Nations.

Bolton said during a Federalist Society forum in 1994: "If the U.N. secretary building in New York lost 10 stories, it wouldn't make a bit of difference."

Boxer asked: "What kind of credibility does he have walking onto the floor of the United Nations?"

Sen. Ted Kennedy, a Massachusetts Democrat, added: "The United Nations is the one and only organization where the nations of the world can link their unique strengths in a realistic hope of building a peaceful future for all humanity.

"We need a representative at the United Nations who supports that vision and is committed to that future for us all," he said. "John Bolton is not that person for that job."

But Sen. John McCain, an Arizona Republican, said Bolton would represent the nation well.

"The United Nations needs the presence of a tough, hard, dedicated individual that has been already, already confirmed in various posts four times by this body," he said.

Sen. Judd Gregg, a New Hampshire Republican, called for Democrats to allow Bolton's nomination to come to a vote.

"I hope we will move forward to a final vote on Mr. Bolton this afternoon and people who think he is the wrong choice and may have policy differences with the president on how we are pursuing liberty and democracy across the globe can vote against him on that basis," Gregg said.

At least one Republican, Sen. George Voinovich of Ohio, has said he will not vote for Bolton because he believes the State Department official could undermine Bush's foreign policy.

But the offices of other Republican moderates -- Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Susan Collins of Maine and Chuck Hagel of Nebraska -- indicated they would support Bush's pick.

Democrats have charged Bolton lacks the diplomatic skills for the job.

At his confirmation hearings last month, senators heard testimony that Bolton bullied subordinates and tried to get intelligence analysts who disagreed with him fired or reassigned.

One of Bolton's former State Department colleagues testified last month that Bolton was "a quintessential kiss-up, kick-down sort of guy."

He also was accused of manipulating intelligence to fit his preconceived notions and misleading the committee.

Bolton's supporters, including the White House, argue he is a seasoned government official who can spearhead reform at the United Nations.

The Republican-dominated Senate Foreign Relations Committee voted 10 to 8 along party lines two weeks ago to send the Bolton nomination to the full Senate. But the committee withheld its endorsement, something rarely done.


I find it funny liberals like you are up in arms about things like the patriot act yet think it is just fine if classified documents are shown to people without clearence just to satisfy a witch hunt.

Those classified documents were never to be seen by Bolton or his staff yet the Bush administration is now refusing to supply members of the U.S. Senate with them. People who have every right to see them.

Once again you people are turning the foundations of U.S. government on their heads.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: conjur
Then his nomination gets approved. But, why are they hiding this info? They're working overtime with that black Sharpie.

Probably because it is classified? A witch hunt isnt reason enough to release classified material to people who dont have the clearance.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: BBond
The Republicans refuse to produce documents at the request of the U.S. Senate that even Bolton's STAFF had access to.

No documents, no vote.

I have a feeling that those documents contain more than info on Bolton and that's why Bush is so vehement about NOT releasing them. Another smoking gun???

Bush will be sorry he ever considered this nut Bolton for UN Ambassador.



Vote to end debate on Bolton fails

Senate move delays decision on controversial U.N. nominee

Thursday, May 26, 2005 Posted: 7:19 PM EDT (2319 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- After hours of heated exchanges, the Senate failed Thursday evening to close off debate on President Bush's nomination of John R. Bolton to be ambassador to the United Nations.

The cloture vote would have paved the way for a vote on whether to confirm the controversial nominee.

Republicans needed 60 votes to cut off the debate; they fell short by four, with a 56-42 breakdown.

The debate on Bolton's nomination will now likely resume next month after senators return from their weeklong holiday break.

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist had said he wanted a vote on the nomination before the weeklong Memorial Day holiday.

"It does disappoint me," Frist said after the vote. "It looks like we have, once again, another filibuster."

Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid took issue with Frist's comment.

"This is the first filibuster of the year, and maybe the last. (I) hope so," the Nevada Democrat said.

After cloture, Bolton would need a simple majority to be confirmed by the Senate, which has 55 Republicans, 44 Democrats and one independent.

Two key Democratic senators -- Christopher Dodd of Connecticut and Joe Biden of Delaware -- asked their Democratic colleagues Thursday to vote against closing the debate.

The two said they wanted more time for the Bush administration to turn over requested documents relating to Syria and to 10 instances of communications intercepted by the National Security Agency.

The senators said Bolton had once sought those intercepts as the undersecretary of state for arms control.

In a letter to their peers, the two Democrats said the administration's refusal to provide the documents "is a threat to the Senate's constitutional power to advise and consent."

"The only way to protect that power is to continue to demand that the information be provided to the Senate," the senators said. "The only means of forcing the administration to cooperate is to prevent a final vote on the nomination today."

On the Senate floor, the debate was passionate on both sides of the aisle.

Sen. Barbara Boxer, a California Democrat, pointed to negative comments Bolton has made about the United Nations.

Bolton said during a Federalist Society forum in 1994: "If the U.N. secretary building in New York lost 10 stories, it wouldn't make a bit of difference."

Boxer asked: "What kind of credibility does he have walking onto the floor of the United Nations?"

Sen. Ted Kennedy, a Massachusetts Democrat, added: "The United Nations is the one and only organization where the nations of the world can link their unique strengths in a realistic hope of building a peaceful future for all humanity.

"We need a representative at the United Nations who supports that vision and is committed to that future for us all," he said. "John Bolton is not that person for that job."

But Sen. John McCain, an Arizona Republican, said Bolton would represent the nation well.

"The United Nations needs the presence of a tough, hard, dedicated individual that has been already, already confirmed in various posts four times by this body," he said.

Sen. Judd Gregg, a New Hampshire Republican, called for Democrats to allow Bolton's nomination to come to a vote.

"I hope we will move forward to a final vote on Mr. Bolton this afternoon and people who think he is the wrong choice and may have policy differences with the president on how we are pursuing liberty and democracy across the globe can vote against him on that basis," Gregg said.

At least one Republican, Sen. George Voinovich of Ohio, has said he will not vote for Bolton because he believes the State Department official could undermine Bush's foreign policy.

But the offices of other Republican moderates -- Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Susan Collins of Maine and Chuck Hagel of Nebraska -- indicated they would support Bush's pick.

Democrats have charged Bolton lacks the diplomatic skills for the job.

At his confirmation hearings last month, senators heard testimony that Bolton bullied subordinates and tried to get intelligence analysts who disagreed with him fired or reassigned.

One of Bolton's former State Department colleagues testified last month that Bolton was "a quintessential kiss-up, kick-down sort of guy."

He also was accused of manipulating intelligence to fit his preconceived notions and misleading the committee.

Bolton's supporters, including the White House, argue he is a seasoned government official who can spearhead reform at the United Nations.

The Republican-dominated Senate Foreign Relations Committee voted 10 to 8 along party lines two weeks ago to send the Bolton nomination to the full Senate. But the committee withheld its endorsement, something rarely done.


I find it funny liberals like you are up in arms about things like the patriot act yet think it is just fine if classified documents are shown to people without clearence just to satisfy a witch hunt.

Those classified documents were never to be seen by Bolton or his staff yet the Bush administration is now refusing to supply members of the U.S. Senate with them. People who have every right to see them.

Once again you people are turning the foundations of U.S. government on their heads.

Nobody has a "right" to see classified material. If we did then it wouldnt be deemed classified.



 

BBond

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AFAIK, the U.S. Senate can request information necessary for them to advise and consent on nominations from the president.

There are Senators with classified clearance, I'm sure.

What is Bush hiding about Bolton (and probably himself as well)?

Provide the documents requested and let the Senate vote on Bolton. Or keep the documents and have no vote. The choice is Bush's.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: conjur
Then his nomination gets approved. But, why are they hiding this info? They're working overtime with that black Sharpie.
Probably because it is classified? A witch hunt isnt reason enough to release classified material to people who dont have the clearance.
Like I'm going to trust this administration to determine what should or shouldn't be classified.

Read this
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Genx87
Nobody has a "right" to see classified material. If we did then it wouldnt be deemed classified.
AFAIK, the U.S. Senate can request information necessary for them to advise and consent on nominations from the president.

There are Senators with classified clearance, I'm sure.

What is Bush hiding about Bolton (and probably himself as well)?

Provide the documents requested and let the Senate vote on Bolton. Or keep the documents and have no vote. The choice is Bush's.
Isn't Kindasleazy Lies the hold-up on this? Seems the info was going to be released until Dr. Lies got involved.
 

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My guess is that there is absolutely nothing in these documents that matter, its more of a fight for power. The democrats go on and on about the importance about this document, the Gov says no to letting them see it and when they do see it (it will happen) it wont change a thing, will seriosly discurage people from requesting any documents again in fear of embarisment.
 
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