Voter fraud is the biggest lie of 2012

[techs]

I challenge anyone to come up with documented proof of voter fraud from a reputable source that shows more than a couple of dozen people a year in each state intentionally vote illegally.

Before you start looking you might want to check out the Republican National Lawyers Association which file a brief to support the new voting rules in Texas.
Here are the numbers. the RNL claims 311 cases in the last 10 years(though their 311 number actuallly includes cases back to 1997).
That's less than one vote per state per year. Yes, the best that the Republicans could come up with is less than ONE person PER STATE per YEAR. And it gets worse when you realize these were not convictions, but the number of people charged. Many of them were found innocent when they proved the were citizens, etc.

Here's some linkys:
http://www.usnews.com/debate-club/is...nore-the-facts
The above link is what the Republicans say.
The links below show the truth.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/pol...terf034087.php
http://politicalcorrection.org/blog/201112120006
http://articles.philly.com/2012-07-11/news/32633427_1_voter-id-law-penndot-ids-support-id-laws

I encourage you to do your own internet searches since there are many webpages devoted to this ridiculous Republican claim.

 

[nehalem256]

http://www.nbc-2.com/story/16662854/2012/02/02/nbc2-investigates-voter-fraud

Two elections supervisors are taking action after an NBC2 investigation uncovers flawed record keeping and human error allowing people who are not citizens of the United States to vote.

No one knows how widespread this problem is, because county election supervisors have no way to track non-citizens who live here.

So NBC2 did something election officials never thought to do, and found them on our own.

"I vote every year," Hinako Dennett told NBC2.

The Cape Coral resident is not a US citizen, yet she's registered to vote.

NBC2 found Dennett after reviewing her jury excusal form. She told the Clerk of Court she couldn't serve as a juror because she wasn't a U.S. citizen.

We found her name, and nearly a hundred others like her, in the database of Florida registered voters.

 

[EagleKeeper]

^^ Ouch ^^


Next Democratic talking point please

 

[Anarchist420]

A couple dozen people is enough to change the results of a local election, but the Republicans complaining about voter fraud is ironic since they have fake elections.

 

[chucky2]

http://www.nbc-2.com/story/16662854/2012/02/02/nbc2-investigates-voter-fraud

That's anecdotal.

 

[techs]

http://www.nbc-2.com/story/16662854/2012/02/02/nbc2-investigates-voter-fraud

I am laughing pretty hard.
Where are the criminal charges?
Really, they found some guy to go on the air and admit a crime?
This stinks to holy hell.

This is NOT evidence. There are no criminal charges.

Next.

 

[nehalem256]

I am laughing pretty hard.
Where are the criminal charges?
Really, they found some guy to go on the air and admit a crime?
This stinks to holy hell.

This is NOT evidence. There are no criminal charges.

Next.

So according to your logic if someone is killed and no one is charged then the person was not murdered?

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Like this?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jun/03/florida-voter-purge-list-suppression

 

[techs]

A couple dozen people is enough to change the results of a local election, but the Republicans complaining about voter fraud is ironic since they have fake elections.

Well lets look a Florida where they claim they found 17 cases in one year. Four of them turned out to be wrong when the voters produced proof.

So, in one year, the largest voter fraud ever was 13 cases (maybe less since the other cases have yet to be heard)

Compare that to Pennsylvania where the new law means over 750,000 cannot vote unless they now take action to get an acceptable form of voter i.d.

In my opinion this is the worst thing ever. The Republicans have set out to disenfranchise millions of voters nationwide. They are attempting to make it hard or in some cases nearly impossible for people to vote.

It is debatable whether they are enemies or traitors to America. I am thinking the death penalty is in order.

 

[PokerGuy]

http://www.nbc-2.com/story/16662854/2012/02/02/nbc2-investigates-voter-fraud

Smack...

Another idiot dimlib talking point destroyed. All the talk of "disenfranchisement" is BS.

Need ID to drive, buy alcohol, open a bank account, cash a check, rent a movie, rent a car... no problem. Need an ID to vote!? Gasp! No way, that's much too hard.

 

[CycloWizard]

What constitutes evidence of fraud? It's a very nebulous concept under the best of circumstances. Your claim amounts to an argument that scarcity of evidence is evidence of scarcity. If you had asked someone in 1800 to estimate the amount of oil was available in all of earth's reservoirs, they would have given you an absurdly low number simply because there was no way to know at that time. Now, since people actually check, we have found quite a bit. The same holds for voter fraud: how can anyone even hazard a guess at the extent of voter fraud when there is no good way to check for voter fraud under the current rules?

 

[thraashman]

Smack...

Another idiot dimlib talking point destroyed. All the talk of "disenfranchisement" is BS.

Need ID to drive, buy alcohol, open a bank account, cash a check, rent a movie, rent a car... no problem. Need an ID to vote!? Gasp! No way, that's much too hard.

People who don't drive don't need ID to drive.
You don't need ID to rent a movie I don't even know what brought that up.
You don't need ID to open a bank account.
You don't need ID to buy alcohol, you just have to be old enough.

It is a statistical FACT that these voter id laws will prevent more legal votes than votes they stop. The most accepted statistics show that to be at a rate of about 50,000:1.

No one on these boards believes voter fraud actually occurs at a rate of any significance. Everyone on these boards knows these voter id laws won't stop fraud because there's none to stop. Each person on here knows these laws real purpose is to disgustingly attempt to disenfranchise legal voters. There are those who will claim otherwise because they have no problem denying Constitutionally protected rights to people who won't vote for their candidate.

 

[techs]

Smack...

Another idiot dimlib talking point destroyed. All the talk of "disenfranchisement" is BS.

Need ID to drive, buy alcohol, open a bank account, cash a check, rent a movie, rent a car... no problem. Need an ID to vote!? Gasp! No way, that's much too hard.

Apparently you just joined this thread and didn't even bother to read the article.
There is no evidence presented. No charges filed. It also defies logic that the got one guy to go on the air an admit to a crime.


I can just see what Florida and Pennsylvania will do next year. Just announce that the police will be at every polling place and check names against a list of outstanding parking tickets, or traffic fines. Yes, you will be allowed to vote, but unless you have 100 dollars of bail money you will be held until the case is sorted out.
So, basically, unless you are absolutely sure your traffic fine that you paid is in the system OR you have 100 dollars you won't show up to vote.
At least a legal way to keep the working poor from voting.
Oh, and if you think this can't happen, well, its 100 percent legal.

 

[nehalem256]

Smack...

Another idiot dimlib talking point destroyed. All the talk of "disenfranchisement" is BS.

Need ID to drive, buy alcohol, open a bank account, cash a check, rent a movie, rent a car... no problem. Need an ID to vote!? Gasp! No way, that's much too hard.

I bought Robitussin a week ago and had to show ID for that.

 

[nehalem256]

No one on these boards believes voter fraud actually occurs at a rate of any significance. Everyone on these boards knows these voter id laws won't stop fraud because there's none to stop. Each person on here knows these laws real purpose is to disgustingly attempt to disenfranchise legal voters. There are those who will claim otherwise because they have no problem denying Constitutionally protected rights to people who won't vote for their candidate.

There is no constitutionally protected right to vote without ID.

It can only not be denied on race, gender, or age(>18).

 

[sm625]

The fraud is in the fact that this corrupt system keeps churning out an Obomney every 4 years, but people do not wise up and realize what these candidates are and who they represent.

 

[nyker96]

I personally do not believe there is enough evidence to support these voter fraud law. Republican pushing for these laws typically is to satisfy the xenophobic needs from the base. Essentially all the problems in economy, crime, etc are caused by the minorities, thus emotionally they feel better about themselves. They can say that, if these people are not here then we will have a great economy, no crimes, perfect lives etc. This type of xenophobic needs are not unique to just the republicans in the south, for instance, in Greece the economy is terrible now, so the xenophobic groups start to gain support. In middle east, esp. poor countries there, there's much xenophobic tendencies towards foreigners, they like to say that all their problem's caused by the foreigners. poor African countries too. I think it's just a way to satisfy the human psyche's need to shift blame off self.

 

[techs]

There is no constitutionally protected right to vote without ID.

It can only not be denied on race, gender, or age(>18).

If the Republican party passed a law in my state and I couldn't make it to get an appropriate I.D. I would lead however many people I could gather and go down and destroy their headquarters.

I think this is an issue of such great importance that civil and indeed criminal disobediance is warranted.

Denying US citizens the right to vote should bring millions into the streets to kill the perpetrators. I'm not kidding when I say kill them. If you try to destroy America you will find millions of patriots at your throats.

Its called fighting for freedom.

 

[PokerGuy]

People who don't drive don't need ID to drive.

People who don't vote don't need ID to vote.

You don't need ID to open a bank account.

Yes, you do. All banks and financial institutions will require some form of ID. The requirements might differ slightly from bank to bank, but they all have to verify your identity for regulatory, AML and fraud prevention reasons.

You don't need ID to buy alcohol, you just have to be old enough.

And how do you prove that you are, in fact, old enough? Oh yeah, with an ID. Same thing with voting, you just have to be a citizen and who you say you are. How do you prove it? With an ID.

Everyone on these boards knows these voter id laws won't stop fraud because there's none to stop.

Wrong, there is plenty of fraud to stop.

Each person on here knows these laws real purpose is to disgustingly attempt to disenfranchise legal voters.

More BS talking points from the dimlibs. You need ID to do many things, many common things. If you look like you're under 25 you can't buy a drink without an ID. Yet somehow the dimlibs would have everyone believe that it's a huge hardship to have people show ID to participate in an important process.

they have no problem denying Constitutionally protected rights to people who won't vote for their candidate.

Nobody is being denied anything. Show up with ID, vote. It's that simple.

 

[PokerGuy]

If the Republican party passed a law in my state and I couldn't make it to get an appropriate I.D. I would lead however many people I could gather and go down and destroy their headquarters.

So, you're telling us that you're a violent criminal?

Denying US citizens the right to vote should bring millions into the streets to kill the perpetrators.

hahaha, you're such a delusional fool. Nobody is being denied anything. Show up with ID, vote. Done. Very simple.

 

[techs]

People who don't vote don't need ID to vote.



Yes, you do. All banks and financial institutions will require some form of ID. The requirements might differ slightly from bank to bank, but they all have to verify your identity for regulatory, AML and fraud prevention reasons.



And how do you prove that you are, in fact, old enough? Oh yeah, with an ID. Same thing with voting, you just have to be a citizen and who you say you are. How do you prove it? With an ID.



Wrong, there is plenty of fraud to stop.



More BS talking points from the dimlibs. You need ID to do many things, many common things. If you look like you're under 25 you can't buy a drink without an ID. Yet somehow the dimlibs would have everyone believe that it's a huge hardship to have people show ID to participate in an important process.



Nobody is being denied anything. Show up with ID, vote. It's that simple.

There are 750,000 people in Pennsylvania who are registered to vote but don't have the required ID.

 

[PokerGuy]

There are 750,000 people in Pennsylvania who are registered to vote but don't have the required ID.

First, can you provide a credible link for that? (not from some idiot dimlib source), and second, what's preventing them from getting an ID? If they are legal residents they can get ID. Perhaps those 750,000 are illegal aliens and thus can't get ID's

 

[busydude]

One is more likely to be struck by lightning than commit voter fraud.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

People who don't vote don't need ID to vote.



Yes, you do. All banks and financial institutions will require some form of ID. The requirements might differ slightly from bank to bank, but they all have to verify your identity for regulatory, AML and fraud prevention reasons.



And how do you prove that you are, in fact, old enough? Oh yeah, with an ID. Same thing with voting, you just have to be a citizen and who you say you are. How do you prove it? With an ID.



Wrong, there is plenty of fraud to stop.



More BS talking points from the dimlibs. You need ID to do many things, many common things. If you look like you're under 25 you can't buy a drink without an ID. Yet somehow the dimlibs would have everyone believe that it's a huge hardship to have people show ID to participate in an important process.



Nobody is being denied anything. Show up with ID, vote. It's that simple.

Using an insult in place of an argument is no substitute for fact based discussion.

Wheres the money?

 

[CaptainGoodnight]

If the Republican party passed a law in my state and I couldn't make it to get an appropriate I.D. I would lead however many people I could gather and go down and destroy their headquarters.

I think this is an issue of such great importance that civil and indeed criminal disobediance is warranted.

Denying US citizens the right to vote should bring millions into the streets to kill the perpetrators. I'm not kidding when I say kill them. If you try to destroy America you will find millions of patriots at your throats.

Its called fighting for freedom.

Getting food stamps requires you to have a photo ID. If you are poor and getting government services, you are required to have an ID. Voter disenfranchisement is a myth, along with the voter fraud myth.