Your analogy is completely wrong. People cannot just sneak into a voting booth to vote. They have to check in with a poll attendant first, who finds their names in the registry and marks them as having voted. The fraud detection comes when two people try to vote using the same name. For any material level of voter impersonation, detection becomes a statistical certainty.How many kids sneak into movie theaters without appropriate tickets? Please include confidence intervals for your estimation. Based on your logic, you should easily be able to provide factual evidence for this scenario which is directly analogous to voting without ID.
How many kids sneak into movie theaters without appropriate tickets? Please include confidence intervals for your estimation. Based on your logic, you should easily be able to provide factual evidence for this scenario which is directly analogous to voting without ID.
Yeah because movie theaters record the name of every person who watches a movie and can provide audits to see if a person saw the same movie twice at the same time.
Oh wait.
I'm still waiting for you to address the huge hole in your argument. You also claimed quite awhile back that you could produce lots of studies that showed in person voter fraud was occurring, but when asked to do so never did. We're waiting on those too.
In order to prove your point you dismiss my point with zero evidence and to maintain your point you say any evidence is fraudulent. So voter fraud which usually happens via absentee ballots (such as in the story that resurrected this thread) wouldn't be stopped by voter ID laws is a made up issue in your eyes but in person voter fraud, of which you say you don't know happens should be addressed regardless if it disenfranchises hundred of thousands of voters. Yes, I'm the simpleton./s
Nothing says that voter ID should be a standalone solution; we should take advantage of all avenues of ensuring voting accuracy and access. A comprehensive solution should be employed where everything is on the table for improvement: revamping registration rules, voter identification, and improving the actual voting methods (machines, ballots, absentee, etc).
But if a problem is so rare to be almost nonexistent, and the solution to it will cost millions and cause a bigger problem than it solves, why do it? The voter id laws are like mandating a vaccine against a minor disease when the vaccine kills 10 times more people than the disease did.
Being a "rare to non-existent" problem doesn't stop some Democrats from pushing to replace Diebold electronic voting machines. In a close race like Florida 2000, a "rare" problem might have cost Al Gore the Presidency.
And saying the problem is too hard or "cause a bigger problem" doens't inspire confidence in the abilities of the political party that believes in the power of government to make things better and help people. Seems like the party that fancies itself as being able to make an impact against poverty should be able to help Grandma get a photo ID.
In the end it really doesn't matter what kind of solutions people come up with the whole Voter ID thing, because the whole point to begin with was to discourage folks from voting, to scare them into not voting, to frustrate them to the point of not bothering to vote. So we can come up with wonderful solutions to make sure everyone, poor or otherwise gets a proper ID for voting, but there will always be counters to these solutions, and push back. Bottom line, the repubs don't want these people to vote.
In the end it really doesn't matter what kind of solutions people come up with the whole Voter ID thing, because the whole point to begin with was to discourage folks from voting, to scare them into not voting, to frustrate them to the point of not bothering to vote. So we can come up with wonderful solutions to make sure everyone, poor or otherwise gets a proper ID for voting, but there will always be counters to these solutions, and push back. Bottom line, the repubs don't want these people to vote.
How does one function in life without a drivers license or state id?
How does one function in life without a drivers license or state id?
How does one function in life without a drivers license or state id?
I am still wanting to know how we prove the people voting are of legal voting age if we do not use photo ID. We demand photo ID to prove people are of legal age to buy alcohol, why not to vote?
Come on anti-ID law people, give me a valid reason to not check for legal voting age.
Not up to date with the thread, however I'll chime in. I work at a Sheriffs Department and did some poll watching last election. While at the polls I watched at least four convicted felons walk in and cast a vote. How do I know they are felons you may ask? I arrested them on felony drug charges which they were convicted.
Maybe they had their rights restored, probably not. I called my supervisor and said wtf, who do you report this to? Nobody really knew and there was no way to confirm if they did or did not have the right to vote. Organized voter fraud, probably not. People voting who probably dont have their rights almost assuredly.
Presumably, it's checked at time of registration. As there is no "alcohol purchase registration list" your point is ridiculous.
You really do live a sheltered life, don't you?
Not up to date with the thread, however I'll chime in. I work at a Sheriffs Department and did some poll watching last election. While at the polls I watched at least four convicted felons walk in and cast a vote. How do I know they are felons you may ask? I arrested them on felony drug charges which they were convicted.
Maybe they had their rights restored, probably not. I called my supervisor and said wtf, who do you report this to? Nobody really knew and there was no way to confirm if they did or did not have the right to vote. Organized voter fraud, probably not. People voting who probably dont have their rights almost assuredly.
Your anecdotal evidence should be taken with a bag of salt...
Nothing says that voter ID should be a standalone solution; we should take advantage of all avenues of ensuring voting accuracy and access. A comprehensive solution should be employed where everything is on the table for improvement: revamping registration rules, voter identification, and improving the actual voting methods (machines, ballots, absentee, etc).
Not up to date with the thread, however I'll chime in. I work at a Sheriffs Department and did some poll watching last election. While at the polls I watched at least four convicted felons walk in and cast a vote. How do I know they are felons you may ask? I arrested them on felony drug charges which they were convicted.
Maybe they had their rights restored, probably not. I called my supervisor and said wtf, who do you report this to? Nobody really knew and there was no way to confirm if they did or did not have the right to vote. Organized voter fraud, probably not. People voting who probably dont have their rights almost assuredly.
No doubt this happens occasionally. There are other gaps due to timing, too. For example, Joe could have mailed an absentee ballot before his conviction. Similarly, if someone mails an absentee ballot and then dies, you have a dead person who legitimately cast a ballot. The question is whether such issues have any material impact on election results.Because out of all the voter fraud stories mine is so unbelievable. Believe whatever you like, but think about it.
Im joe the meth dealer and got convicted of dealing meth one week prior to the election. Prior to this I was registered to vote. Do you really think they have a updated list or does Joe stroll in and cast his vote.