From your very own words in the op.
Suddenly, it becomes "not evidence because no criminal charges"?
I am laughing pretty hard.
Where are the criminal charges?
Really, they found some guy to go on the air and admit a crime?
This stinks to holy hell.
This is NOT evidence. There are no criminal charges.
Next.
I challenge anyone to come up with documented proof of voter fraud from a reputable source that shows more than a couple of dozen people a year in each state intentionally vote illegally
However, what is really egregious is that people who are disabled, in nursing homes, poor etc are exactly the people who will find it difficult or impossible to get an i.d. Making a person go to a motor vehichle office and wait in line and pay for a picture ID is terribly difficult if you have a heart condition, arthritis or are on welfare.
You obviously did not even bother to try and find one.
[/LIST]http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/drivers/drivers/apply/idcard.htm
Also, why aren't you whining that bus service is not free to polling places? Why do you support a poll tax charged by the bus service? Why do you support a gasoline poll tax charged upon people who have to pay for gasoline to drive to the polling place?
I would have no problem with Voter ID as long as it is 100% free and you would need your Voter ID (its own card) to vote no other form of ID accepted. That way it affects everyone equally.
Any other way is going to disenfranchise more people than any fraud it prevents.
From your very own words in the op.
Suddenly, it becomes "not evidence because no criminal charges"?
You don't need ID to open a bank account.
That would "disenfranchise" a lot more voters as then people that already have valid ID would have to aqcuire a new one.
Really?
Every single bank that I have ever done business with, they ALWAYS asked for ID, even the internet or out of state banks such as HSBC, BoA, Citi.
Here are just a small sample of banks and credit unions that I have businesses with: Chase, Regions, Capital One, Oiuchita, Carter, Gibsland, Bancorp South (plus the three out of state banks I mentioned above).
It is even more now since 9/11 with the Patriot Act.
Can you name a few banks that do not require ID to open account?
Just stop the lies already. I don't know of ONE state that will provide a picture ID for free. So they are asking people to pay for the right to vote.
As there is no way to prove voter fraud, how can you prove or disprove it? Derp a der, we don't even have the most basic of measures to counter act it and no documentation of it goes on.
I just look for Louisiana. If you are 60 or older, no charge.
And it is only about $18 to $21 for ID which is good for 4 years or less than $6/year or $0.014/day. Geez, I guess you have to be very wealthy to afford such HUGE tax to vote
Source = http://dpsweb.dps.louisiana.gov/Omv...351d0e3133344383862564ae0068e683?OpenDocument
facts are as followed
there are people without proper id
there are college kids living in dorms who have the wrong address on there ID, thus, would have to buy a new id under these laws
there are people who dont have fucking 80 bucks for a DL
/thread
I opened a bank account with BOA online with no ID. Only time they've ever asked for an ID is making a large withdrawal (5K+). Everything was sent to my house. All they need is your SS# and your funding method. Maybe if I did not have another checking account with another bank that might not be the case.
I opened an account with Etrade Bank without an ID either
facts are as followed
there are people without proper id
there are college kids living in dorms who have the wrong address on there ID, thus, would have to buy a new id under these laws
there are people who dont have fucking 80 bucks for a DL
/thread
If you are a Minnesota motorist in the process of moving or otherwise changing your address, you must obtain a new, updated license. You must apply within 30 days of the move or address change to comply with Minnesota law.
Yeah OK, the problem is that if you take the total number charged in 10 years, assume they're all guilty, then multiply that number by 100 for all the people who didn't get caught, we still don't have a voter fraud problem in this country. Indeed, even if you multiply it by 1000, then divide by the number of years and apportion the fraud to different states, you're nowhere close to the amount of fraud necessary to actually change an election outcome.
It seems to me that in order to pass legislation meant to address a problem, some proof of the magnitude of the problem must first be presented.
As there is no way to prove voter fraud, how can you prove or disprove it? Derp a der, we don't even have the most basic of measures to counter act it and no documentation of it goes on.
You just reinforced my statement. You have to provide SS number or some kind of proof of yourself as Joe Smith. You can't just open a bank/investment account just by your own words as Joe Smith. At least in all of my banking experience.
Same for my experience with Fidelity, Vanguard for investment accounts. They both asked for SS number and mailing address.
In related news, the existence of bigfoot cannot be disproven.
The real truth? Here it is again-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GBAsFwPglw
Repubs have determined that their base & their likely voter demographic already have photo ID, & that groups less likely to vote for them are less likely to have it. Therefore, the hue & cry over voter fraud they can't even prove & laws designed to suppress the vote. That's why they hated ACORN so desperately, and why the only voter fraud that's significant is their fraudulent effort to suppress the strawman they created.
It's quite shameful, but Righties have never been known for having any sense of shame at all when they're on a Crusade...
They didn't ask for the card itself just the number. I don't think that is considered ID if I just spit out a number to them.
Should giving your SS# and name be sufficient for voting then? I think people that are advocating these voter ID laws would say that is insufficient.