Careful. If you start pushing for laws to limit voting to the well educated the GOP is fucked.
Careful. If you start pushing for laws to limit voting to the well educated the GOP is fucked.This is sad...
So someone is supposed to put an educated vote for the most powerful office in the world but is too lazy to register or get an ID. And then because they are too lazy and can't be bothered to take 20 mins to do something else, we are supposed to cater our laws around them!?
Getting food stamps requires you to have a photo ID.
From your very own words in the op.
Suddenly, it becomes "not evidence because no criminal charges"?
If voter fraud is a lie, then we should do away with voting fraud laws altogether since they're pointless and a waste of money. And just think of all the money we'll save from not needing to do all that voter registration and stuff.
Lame. Maybe current law is entirely adequate for the purpose at hand, huh? Maybe it's obvious to anybody who bases their opinion on facts rather than suspicion, innuendo, and a desire to win by any means possible.
Repubs are talking out of both sides of their mouths, as usual. Out of one side comes the usual raving about their superiority in the marketplace of ideas, and out of the other side comes vote suppression tactics, clearly indicating a lack of faith in the ability to sell their ideas. Can't have it both ways, other than with the Faithful...
It's a serious question. Why support voter registration if we can't verify the identity of those voting?
It's a serious question. Why support voter registration if we can't verify the identity of those voting?
We seemed to be able to do it w/o Picture ID for 200 years or so...
I enjoy this topic as it's small government folk trying to legislate against a non-existent problem.
facts are as followed
there are people without proper id
there are college kids living in dorms who have the wrong address on there ID, thus, would have to buy a new id under these laws
there are people who dont have fucking 80 bucks for a DL
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Wow. Another thread worshiping the Brennan Center report. Can anybody point out to me where they asked anybody they surveyed if they were actually US citizens or not?
How is it that the Brennan Center survey is 100% valid and taken as fact, while the earlier 2006 Cooperative Congressional Elections Study is not?
What does "readily available identification" mean?
The Brennan Center study has more holes than a good Swiss cheese.
Still waiting for people to explain why it is not voter suppression to force people to either obtain an absentee ballot or physically go to a polling location to vote? Don't they know some voters cannot do either? Why are their rights being trampled?
I also want to know why we even make people register to vote, everyone knows some people who are able to vote will not register and therefor have their votes suppressed.
Why no outrage on those items, yet requiring a photo ID (which is also required to buy alcohol and cigarettes) provokes outrage?
Oooh- scurrilous attack on the source, not the evidence. Would you offer the same wrt the CCE study you reference?
Perhaps you'd care to quote/ link the source you offer?
And the Repub position has no substance of note- none whatsoever. Prove that significant voter fraud exists, not that it could exist, & you might have a case. Until then, the only successful fraud has been in convincing people that it's a problem using lack of evidence as evidence...
No wonder Texas Repubs want to outlaw the teaching of critical thinking skills in public schools...
I knew if I looked at this thread somewhere in it I'd find you proposing violence against people who don't agree with your beliefs. You were run out of here before when you were a moderator. It's just a matter of time until it happens again. In the meantime you will spread your hate-filled lunacy that you feel is the gospel. You are the worst of what the progressive movement stands for. Many don't remember the level you operated at here before but I do.If the Republican party passed a law in my state and I couldn't make it to get an appropriate I.D. I would lead however many people I could gather and go down and destroy their headquarters.
I think this is an issue of such great importance that civil and indeed criminal disobediance is warranted.
Denying US citizens the right to vote should bring millions into the streets to kill the perpetrators. I'm not kidding when I say kill them. If you try to destroy America you will find millions of patriots at your throats.
Its called fighting for freedom.
Wow. Another thread worshiping the Brennan Center report. Can anybody point out to me where they asked anybody they surveyed if they were actually US citizens or not?
How is it that the Brennan Center survey is 100% valid and taken as fact, while the earlier 2006 Cooperative Congressional Elections Study is not?
What does "readily available identification" mean?
The Brennan Center study has more holes than a good Swiss cheese.
What?! I *am* attacking the evidence, but obviously, you're to ignorant to see that.
Uh - it's in the Brennan Center report. You haven't read the report that you worship as absolute truth? Lemming.
Critical thinking skills look at *both sides* of an equation - a skill you obviously don't seem to possess. Come back when you can do that.
You're deliberately obtuse, too.
You reference the "2006 Cooperative Congressional Elections Study" (apparently from Harvard, not the Brennan Center of NYU) then fail to quote or link it, fail to illustrate how it supports your beliefs at all.
You're deliberately obtuse, too.
You reference the "2006 Cooperative Congressional Elections Study" (apparently from Harvard, not the Brennan Center of NYU) then fail to quote or link it, fail to illustrate how it supports your beliefs at all.
When I ask for you to clarify, you obfuscate.
Critical thinking skills? Like this?
True Believers- "Voter Fraud is a big problem"
ROTW- "Surely you can offer evidence that the problem exists, right?"
True Believers- "STFU! Voter Fraud is a big problem. That's obvious!"
ROTW- "How can it be a big problem when there's scant evidence that it even exists?"
True Believers- "You Moron! We need photo ID to vote! Because Voter Fraud is a problem!"
ROTW- " There are unintended consequences that will inhibit legitimate participation in the electoral process. We have evidence to that effect."
True Believers- "That doesn't matter, because voter fraud is a big problem!"
ROTW- "I'm starting to question your motivations in this, because you're not showing any need for what you propose."
True Believers- "Assholes! You can't question our integrity! Voter Fraud is a big problem!"
ROTW- "Surely you can offer evidence that the problem exists, right?"
As always, True Believers engage in circular reasoning when they use faith based premises to reach ontological conclusions. For the rest of us, it's like arguing against the Virgin Birth.
Even the OP claims the problem exists - but YOU know it does not. Interesting.
You'll have to pardon me. I mistook you for somebody that could search the Internet. I apologize for overestimating your intelligence, and for incorrectly assuming that you were the type of individual that actually investigated multiple facets of an argument before carving your opinion into stone. Don't worry - I won't make that mistake again.
I never called you an "asshole", either. I just think you're willfully ignorant. Keep frothing, though.