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Thump553

Lifer
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So apparently even the career lawyers allegedly pushing this case didn't think it was strong enough for a ciminal matter? If there was ever anything really there the Justice Department would have been investigating with an eye towards a criminal complaint. A civil complaint is just an ordinary lawsuit-with a much lower burden of proof standard upon the plaintiff.

There are many valid reasons why the Justice Dept does elect to either pursue or not pursue matters. Given the apparent weakness of the case should they be wasting OUR money to satisfy FoxNews' racial vendetta?
 

rudder

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So apparently even the career lawyers allegedly pushing this case didn't think it was strong enough for a ciminal matter? If there was ever anything really there the Justice Department would have been investigating with an eye towards a criminal complaint. A civil complaint is just an ordinary lawsuit-with a much lower burden of proof standard upon the plaintiff.

There are many valid reasons why the Justice Dept does elect to either pursue or not pursue matters. Given the apparent weakness of the case should they be wasting OUR money to satisfy FoxNews' racial vendetta?

http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/friends-high-places

The trial team quickly obtained a default judgment—meaning it had won the case because the New Black Panther party failed to defend itself. Yet in May 2009, Obama Justice Department lawyers, appointed temporarily to fill top positions in the civil rights division, ordered the case against the NBPP dismissed.

Oh snap!
 

Thump553

Lifer
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Assuming the default judgment actually occured (I have little faith in the right-wing rag linked above) in this particular case I would suspect the default was due to the defense misinterpreting mixed signals from the government-one section of the DoJ says we are dropping the case while the other proceeds with it. Defaults can, and frequently are, reopened under the right circumstances. Many weak cases go to default judgment for a number of reasons, most significantly the cost of defense. A default is not a trial of a matter on its merits and should never be accepted as such.
 

Craig234

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Would care to provide us with examples from 2000 and 2004 that are similar to this case??

They don't have to be 'similar to this case' in irrelevant details, but in voter suppression.

[link]http://www.worldlingo.com/ma/enwiki/en/2004_United_States_election_voting_controversies[/link]

[link]http://www.solarbus.org/election/articles/facts-ohio.pdf[/link]

Of course the corruption of the elections for Republicans in those elections was far, far more massive than the reported incident here.

Having secretaries of state (and one candidates' campaign co-chairs) corrupt is far bigger than a few people menacing some voters.

Having said that, the story as reported is appalling, and if accurate I'd stronly support the prosecution of the lawbreakers. I'd like to hear the other side, just in case, though.

But it should be understandable why the hypocrisy of people who defend far worse activities on their side yet scream over far less by the other is disgusting.

As usual, this thread is filled with Democrats mostly criticizing wrongdoing on their side, and right-wingers ignoring the wrongdoing on theirs, but saying Democrats do what they do. Reminds me a little of the comparison Rachel Maddow recently did of the Republican screaming about 'wrongdoing' by ACORN (with the real reason being basic politics that they oppose the poor voting), while they largely ignore or defend BP's activities.
 

MotF Bane

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Assuming the default judgment actually occured (I have little faith in the right-wing rag linked above) in this particular case I would suspect the default was due to the defense misinterpreting mixed signals from the government-one section of the DoJ says we are dropping the case while the other proceeds with it. Defaults can, and frequently are, reopened under the right circumstances. Many weak cases go to default judgment for a number of reasons, most significantly the cost of defense. A default is not a trial of a matter on its merits and should never be accepted as such.

Attack the source, because it's all you have?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/may/29/career-lawyers-overruled-on-voting-case/

Will the Times suffice?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203550604574361071968458430.html

How about the Journal?

Pardon me, I don't receive the left-wing/right-wing talking points to see which media station is to be tuned out this month.
 

runestone

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The post you are responding to is from 05-29-2009.

But still quite relevant. Recently one of the Justice Department lawyers who handled the case resigned because of the handling of this case by the Obama adminstration's appointees:

"The New Black Panther case was the simplest and most obvious violation of federal law I saw in my Justice Department career. Because of the corrupt nature of the dismissal, statements falsely characterizing the case and, most of all, indefensible orders for the career attorneys not to comply with lawful subpoenas investigating the dismissal, this month I resigned my position as a Department of Justice (DOJ) attorney."

His written explanation:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jun/25/inside-the-black-panther-case-anger-ignorance-and-/
 

NoWhereM

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But still quite relevant. ...

Really? Maybe you should try reading the post quoted before you respond. I'd suggest reading the entire thread but since you didn't bother reading even that one post I know that would be asking to much.

BTW, if the problem is you don't know how to read the post quoted you can find it by clicking the blue arrow button that follows the name of the person being quoted.
 

PJABBER

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This is/was a case that was already WON, meaning the guilty verdict was already announced, by the Justice Department. The NBPP was not fighting the charges just as they did not respond to subpoenas to appear before the Civil Rights Commission (they do not recognize the legitimacy of the government and have not cooperated with government investigations in any way for decades.)

Holder and buddies apparently instructed Justice Department attorneys right after the election not to bring any more cases against racial minorities under the Voting Section of federal civil rights law. And then they dismissed the case right before sentencing. That is what is driving the discussion.

Fox News has an interview with one of the attorneys that were prosecuting the case due for broadcasting this afternoon. Worth watching for anyone interested in the case and the suppression of minority prosecutions for civil rights crimes.

Former Justice Department Lawyer Accuses Holder of Dropping New Black Panther Case for Political Reasons

Published June 30, 2010
FOXNews.com

A former Justice Department attorney who quit his job to protest the Obama administration's handling of the New Black Panther Party voter intimidation case is accusing Attorney General Eric Holder of dropping the charges for political reasons. J. Christian Adams, now an attorney in Virginia and a conservative blogger, also accuses Deputy Attorney General Thomas Perez of lying under oath to Congress about the circumstances surrounding the decision to drop the probe.

The Justice Department has defended its move to drop the case, saying it obtained an injunction against one member to keep him away from polling stations while dismissing charges against the others "based on a careful assessment of the facts and the law."
But Adams says politics was at play in the dismissal.
"Based on my firsthand experiences, I believe the dismissal of the Black Panther case was motivated by a lawless hostility toward equal enforcement of the law," he wrote in an opinion article published last week in The Washington Times.

"Others still within the department share my assessment. The department abetted wrongdoers and abandoned law-abiding citizens victimized by the New Black Panthers," he wrote. "The dismissal raises serious questions about the department's enforcement neutrality in upcoming midterm elections and the subsequent 2012 presidential election."

Justice Department spokeswoman Tracy Schmaler dismissed Adams' accusations as a "good faith disagreement" with ulterior motives.

"It is not uncommon for attorneys within the department to have good faith disagreements about the appropriate course of action in a particular case, although it is regrettable when a former department attorney distorts the facts and makes baseless allegations to promote his or her agenda," she said in a written statement.

In the final days of the Bush administration, three Black Panthers -- Minister King Samir Shabazz, Malik Zulu Shabazz and Jerry Jackson -- were charged in a civil complaint with violating the Voter Rights Act in November 2008 by using coercion, threats and intimidation at a Philadelphia polling station -- with Shabazz brandishing what prosecutors called a deadly weapon.

The Obama administration won the civil case in federal court in April 2009 but moved to dismiss the charges in May 2009. Justice attorneys said a criminal complaint, which resulted in the injunction, proceeded successfully.
The department "is committed to comprehensive and vigorous enforcement of both the civil and criminal provisions of federal law that prohibit voter intimidation. We continue to work with voters, communities, and local law enforcement to ensure that every American can vote free from intimidation, coercion or threats," Schmaler said Wednesday.

But the Justice Department's explanation has failed to appease the United States Commission on Civil Rights, which is probing the department's decision, or Republican lawmakers who say the dismissal could lead to an escalation of voter intimidation.

The commission held a hearing in April in which Rep. Frank Wolf, R-Va., who has led the charge for answers from the Justice Department, was among those testifying. The Justice Department did not provide witnesses at that hearing. Instead, Perez provided the commission with written remarks in May.

"At a minimum, without sufficient proof that New Black Panther Party or Malik Zulu Shabazz directed or controlled unlawful activities at the polls, or made speeches directed to immediately inciting or producing lawless action on Election Day, any attempt to bring suit against those parties based merely upon their alleged 'approval' or 'endorsement' of Minister King Samir Shabazz and Jackson’s activities would have likely failed," he said in the statement.

The commission has repeatedly sought information from the Justice Department, going as far as filing subpoenas. Schmaler said the department has provided 2,000 pages of information in response.

But Adams says the department ordered the attorneys "to ignore the subpoena, lawlessly placing us in an unacceptably legal limbo."

Adams also says that after the dismissal, Justice Department attorneys were instructed not to bring any more cases against racial minorities under the Voting Section.

Adams called the New Black Panther case "the simplest and most obvious violation of federal law I saw in my Justice Department career."

But his allegations go beyond the Justice Department. He wrote that the dismissal is a symptom of the Obama administration's reverse racism and "creeping lawlessness."

"Citizens would be shocked to learn about the open and pervasive hostility within the Justice Department to bringing civil rights cases against nonwhite defendants on behalf of white victims," he wrote in the Times article. "Equal enforcement of justice is not a priority of this administration. Open contempt is voiced for these types of cases."
 
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MotF Bane

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So when you have three guys wearing white sheets and holding clubs standing outside voting places this fall, it'll all be fine, right?
 

classy

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I posted this in another thread about this topic.

Well let the proof be in the video. I knew I remembered this. At no time did the guys intimidate anyone. While I don't think he should have been there with a night stick, white people were going in and out with no problem. And let me remind some folks, there had been some talk that blacks could face intimidation at polling places because of Obama running for president. Now I am not saying the dudes were right, but they bothered no one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neGbKHyGuHU
 

PJABBER

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I posted this in another thread about this topic.

Well let the proof be in the video. I knew I remembered this. At no time did the guys intimidate anyone. While I don't think he should have been there with a night stick, white people were going in and out with no problem. And let me remind some folks, there had been some talk that blacks could face intimidation at polling places because of Obama running for president. Now I am not saying the dudes were right, but they bothered no one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neGbKHyGuHU

That video was not the basis for the case. Multiple witnesses appeared in the case and testified that the two NBPP thugs threatened people coming to vote at that voting location.
 

PJABBER

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Here is the statement by one of the prosecuting attorneys -

ADAMS: Inside the Black Panther case

Anger, ignorance and lies

By J. Christian Adams
6:58 p.m., Friday, June 25, 2010
Washington Times

J. Christian Adams is a lawyer based in Virginia who served as a voting rights attorney at the Justice Department until this month. He blogs at electionlawcenter.com.

On the day President Obama was elected, armed men wearing the black berets and jackboots of the New Black Panther Party were stationed at the entrance to a polling place in Philadelphia. They brandished a weapon and intimidated voters and poll watchers. After the election, the Justice Department brought a voter-intimidation case against the New Black Panther Party and those armed thugs. I and other Justice attorneys diligently pursued the case and obtained an entry of default after the defendants ignored the charges. Before a final judgment could be entered in May 2009, our superiors ordered us to dismiss the case.

The New Black Panther case was the simplest and most obvious violation of federal law I saw in my Justice Department career. Because of the corrupt nature of the dismissal, statements falsely characterizing the case and, most of all, indefensible orders for the career attorneys not to comply with lawful subpoenas investigating the dismissal, this month I resigned my position as a Department of Justice (DOJ) attorney.

The federal voter-intimidation statutes we used against the New Black Panthers were enacted because America never realized genuine racial equality in elections. Threats of violence characterized elections from the end of the Civil War until the passage of the Voting Rights Act in 1965. Before the Voting Rights Act, blacks seeking the right to vote, and those aiding them, were victims of violence and intimidation. But unlike the Southern legal system, Southern violence did not discriminate. Black voters were slain, as were the white champions of their cause. Some of the bodies were tossed into bogs and in one case in Philadelphia, Miss., they were buried together in an earthen dam.

Based on my firsthand experiences, I believe the dismissal of the Black Panther case was motivated by a lawless hostility toward equal enforcement of the law. Others still within the department share my assessment. The department abetted wrongdoers and abandoned law-abiding citizens victimized by the New Black Panthers. The dismissal raises serious questions about the department's enforcement neutrality in upcoming midterm elections and the subsequent 2012 presidential election.

The U.S. Commission on Civil Rights has opened an investigation into the dismissal and the DOJ's skewed enforcement priorities. Attorneys who brought the case are under subpoena to testify, but the department ordered us to ignore the subpoena, lawlessly placing us in an unacceptable legal limbo.

The assistant attorney general for civil rights, Tom Perez, has testified repeatedly that the "facts and law" did not support this case. That claim is false. If the actions in Philadelphia do not constitute voter intimidation, it is hard to imagine what would, short of an actual outbreak of violence at the polls. Let's all hope this administration has not invited that outcome through the corrupt dismissal.

Most corrupt of all, the lawyers who ordered the dismissal - Loretta King, the Obama-appointed acting head of the Civil Rights Division, and Steve Rosenbaum - did not even read the internal Justice Department memorandums supporting the case and investigation. Just as Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. admitted that he did not read the Arizona immigration law before he condemned it, Mr. Rosenbaum admitted that he had not bothered to read the most important department documents detailing the investigative facts and applicable law in the New Black Panther case.

Christopher Coates, the former Voting Section chief, was so outraged at this dereliction of responsibility that he actually threw the memos at Mr. Rosenbaum in the meeting where they were discussing the dismissal of the case. The department subsequently removed all of Mr. Coates' responsibilities and sent him to South Carolina.

Mr. Perez also inaccurately testified to the House Judiciary Committee that federal "Rule 11" required the dismissal of the lawsuit. Lawyers know that Rule 11 is an ethical obligation to bring only meritorious claims, and such a charge by Mr. Perez effectively challenges the ethics and professionalism of the five attorneys who commenced the case. Yet the attorneys who brought the case were voting rights experts and would never pursue a frivolous matter. Their experience in election law far surpassed the experience of the officials who ordered the dismissal.

Some have called the actions in Philadelphia an isolated incident, not worthy of federal attention. To the contrary, the Black Panthers in October 2008 announced a nationwide deployment for the election. We had indications that polling-place thugs were deployed elsewhere, not only in November 2008, but also during the Democratic primaries, where they targeted white Hillary Rodham Clinton supporters. In any event, the law clearly prohibits even isolated incidents of voter intimidation.

Others have falsely claimed that no voters were affected. Not only did the evidence rebut this claim, but the law does not require a successful effort to intimidate; it punishes even the attempt.

Most disturbing, the dismissal is part of a creeping lawlessness infusing our government institutions. Citizens would be shocked to learn about the open and pervasive hostility within the Justice Department to bringing civil rights cases against nonwhite defendants on behalf of white victims. Equal enforcement of justice is not a priority of this administration. Open contempt is voiced for these types of cases.

Some of my co-workers argued that the law should not be used against black wrongdoers because of the long history of slavery and segregation. Less charitable individuals called it "payback time." Incredibly, after the case was dismissed, instructions were given that no more cases against racial minorities like the Black Panther case would be brought by the Voting Section.

Refusing to enforce the law equally means some citizens are protected by the law while others are left to be victimized, depending on their race. Core American principles of equality before the law and freedom from racial discrimination are at risk. Hopefully, equal enforcement of the law is still a point of bipartisan, if not universal, agreement. However, after my experience with the New Black Panther dismissal and the attitudes held by officials in the Civil Rights Division, I am beginning to fear the era of agreement over these core American principles has passed.
 

PokerGuy

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Was there ever any doubt on this one? Of course they were going to let these guys walk. Intimidation is only a bad thing if it is done against democrats, not people who might not vote democrat.
 

Fear No Evil

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Further proof that the Obama administration is doing more to damage race relations than any other President in modern history.
 
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