Voters set to affirm hatred of gays

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Yes, most Americans are small minded fear-addicts. :roll:

Where do you get this stuff?

Seeing how they vote and how they behave. And I never said most Americans are small minded fear addicts though it could be true.

 

[Engineer]

In Kentucky, this is being touted as the "Marriage Protection Act". Protection from what? The only marriage protection act is to outlaw divorce.

This, IMO, is an attempt (one that will pass) by big business (especially insurance companies) to remove the possibility of gay couples of getting benefits on each other's ticket. Now the company will not have to have insurance or other benefits for the gay employee's partner.

It's not a "Marriage Protection Act"...it's a "Business Benefits Protection Act"

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: Rainsford
People don't really understand their democratic duty, for the most part, and the government seems to have forgotten the whole "protect the minorites" part of the "will of the majority". Fvcking pathetic.

The role of the government in this country is not to protect the rights of the minority. Where do people keep getting this idea? It's to protect the rights of everybody.

Including those of Minorities. These amendments are not protecting the rights of anybody!

Sure they are... they guarantee that the act of marriage will remain as is for years to come.

And that protects the rights of who?

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: Engineer
In Kentucky, this is being touted as the "Marriage Protection Act". Protection from what? The only marriage protection act is to outlaw divorce.

This, IMO, is an attempt (one that will pass) by big business (especially insurance companies) to remove the possibility of gay couples of getting benefits on each other's ticket. Now the company will not have to have insurance or other benefits for the gay employee's partner.

It's not a "Marriage Protection Act"...it's a "Business Benefits Protection Act"

You keep telling yourself that.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: Rainsford
People don't really understand their democratic duty, for the most part, and the government seems to have forgotten the whole "protect the minorites" part of the "will of the majority". Fvcking pathetic.

The role of the government in this country is not to protect the rights of the minority. Where do people keep getting this idea? It's to protect the rights of everybody.

Including those of Minorities. These amendments are not protecting the rights of anybody!

Sure they are... they guarantee that the act of marriage will remain as is for years to come.

And that protects the rights of who?

Well, let's see... there are approximately 293,027,571 people in this country. Of that number, 293,027,571 will have the right to get married... so, I'd say every American citizen.

 

[ViRGE]

Bah, this whole election is getting out of hand. In Oregon we've had Canvaseers trick people in to registering as a Republican(for the money), Liberty Mutual trying to push the state insurance company out of business, school board fights(parents are trying to get their kids out of "that" school), and now this:

In Oregon, with perhaps the tightest campaign, some amendment supporters assert that public schools would be forced to provide positive instruction about same-sex marriage unless the ban is imposed. The claims angered the state school superintendent.

"They have no business using our public schools as part of this campaign," said Susan Castillo. "They're trying to create some sort of fear."

It might as well be a fvcking war... :Q

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: daniel1113
Well, let's see... there are approximately 293,027,571 people in this country. Of that number, 293,027,571 will have the right to get married... so, I'd say every American citizen.

I guess I miss the whole part about banning gay marraige (or whatever the hell name you want to put on it).

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: daniel1113
Well, let's see... there are approximately 293,027,571 people in this country. Of that number, 293,027,571 will have the right to get married... so, I'd say every American citizen.

I guess I miss the whole part about banning gay marraige (or whatever the hell name you want to put on it).

?

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: daniel1113
Well, let's see... there are approximately 293,027,571 people in this country. Of that number, 293,027,571 will have the right to get married... so, I'd say every American citizen.

I guess I miss the whole part about banning gay marraige (or whatever the hell name you want to put on it).

?

I.E. They have rights as long as they are marrying the opposite sex. I guess transexual operations will be on the rise! :Q

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: Tabb

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
The amendment is going to pass overwelmingly in ND. Makes me sick, i can't wait to leave this redneck sh!thole.

I can't stand it either, I live in North Dakota. Everyone seems to have a idea that American is a "Christian Nation" and gay marriage is wrong cause their bible humping pastor said so...

Don't you just hate it when people vote and get their way? Damn... what is this country coming to?

Expect you're are wrong when you force your own personal religious beliefs on other people, what makes you think your personal religious beliefs are any more greater than anyone else's?

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: Tabb
Expect you're are wrong when you force your own personal religious beliefs on other people, what makes you think your personal religious beliefs are any more greater than anyone else's?

What are you talking about? I never said anything about my persoanl beliefs being greater than anyone else's. I haven't even said that gay marriage should be illegal. Perhaps you are thinking of someone else.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: daniel1113
Well, let's see... there are approximately 293,027,571 people in this country. Of that number, 293,027,571 will have the right to get married... so, I'd say every American citizen.

I guess I miss the whole part about banning gay marraige (or whatever the hell name you want to put on it).

?

I.E. They have rights as long as they are marrying the opposite sex. I guess transexual operations will be on the rise! :Q

Well, the first part of your statement is true. We all currently have the right to marry someone of the opposite sex... whether we are black, white, gay, straight, big, tall...

 

[Engineer]

Maybe we can get the "No Divorce" amendment attached to the "Marriage Protection Act" amendment!

That does protect marriage, doesn't it?

50+% of all marriage ends in divorce. (Jennifer Lopez counts for 2% of that number! :laugh: )

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: Engineer
(Jennifer Lopez counts for 2% of that number! :laugh: )

Haha... reminds me of the South Park episode

 

[JustAnAverageGuy]

Originally posted by: Stonewall
There have been about 8000 threads in the past couple months that have given sound justifications for a homosexual marriage ban. You should probably hold back the "bigot" label until you've read those justifications.

And out of all those, I still have not yet read one that is good.

Originally posted by: Dubb
I"ve talked with a number of people who are both for and against gay marriage. overwhelmingly, with those against it, it boils down to prejudice and a total lack of understanding.

Sad, but completely true

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: Tabb
Expect you're are wrong when you force your own personal religious beliefs on other people, what makes you think your personal religious beliefs are any more greater than anyone else's?

What are you talking about? I never said anything about my persoanl beliefs being greater than anyone else's. I haven't even said that gay marriage should be illegal. Perhaps you are thinking of someone else.

Perhaps I am drunk :beer:

 

[Rainsford]

Ugh, this is why I don't like arguing gay marriage. Anti-gay marriage people seem to view it as "protecting society and traditional values". I think our abstract values shouldn't interfere with the rights of other people unless a clear case can be made as to who will be hurt by violating those values. That case has NEVER been made as far as I can see, I hear a lot of "gay marriage will destroy our society", but I see no evidence at all of that. Until someone can show me exactly how gay marriage will hurt people (people, as in individuals, not "society"), all I see is a circular argument: "Gay marriage is against my traditional marriage values, and will hurt society by violating my traditional marriage values."

And the argument that gay people can get married, as long as it's a heterosexual marriage, is stupid. Marriage is about marrying someone you love, if you are preventing someone from marrying for love, you might as well be preventing them from getting married.

 

[Gen Stonewall]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Ugh, this is why I don't like arguing gay marriage. Anti-gay marriage people seem to view it as "protecting society and traditional values". I think our abstract values shouldn't interfere with the rights of other people unless a clear case can be made as to who will be hurt by violating those values. That case has NEVER been made as far as I can see, I hear a lot of "gay marriage will destroy our society", but I see no evidence at all of that. Until someone can show me exactly how gay marriage will hurt people (people, as in individuals, not "society"), all I see is a circular argument: "Gay marriage is against my traditional marriage values, and will hurt society by violating my traditional marriage values."

And the argument that gay people can get married, as long as it's a heterosexual marriage, is stupid. Marriage is about marrying someone you love, if you are preventing someone from marrying for love, you might as well be preventing them from getting married.

I love my deceased grandfather; can I marry him?

 

[JustAnAverageGuy]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Ugh, this is why I don't like arguing gay marriage. Anti-gay marriage people seem to view it as "protecting society and traditional values". I think our abstract values shouldn't interfere with the rights of other people unless a clear case can be made as to who will be hurt by violating those values. That case has NEVER been made as far as I can see, I hear a lot of "gay marriage will destroy our society", but I see no evidence at all of that. Until someone can show me exactly how gay marriage will hurt people (people, as in individuals, not "society"), all I see is a circular argument: "Gay marriage is against my traditional marriage values, and will hurt society by violating my traditional marriage values."

And the argument that gay people can get married, as long as it's a heterosexual marriage, is stupid. Marriage is about marrying someone you love, if you are preventing someone from marrying for love, you might as well be preventing them from getting married.

:thumbsup:

Originally posted by: Stonewall
I love my deceased grandfather; can I marry him?

What kind of BS arguement is that? Your deceased grandfather is unable to give consent.

 

[eigen]

I live in one of the states where there will be a vote regarding gay marriage...though there is a big smokescreen regarding the whole issue, as protecting traditional values,upholding moral etc...It basically comes down to the people here hate gays. Let me put it this way...I have yet to meet one person that is against gay marriage in this state that is also not against homosexuality in general.So while there are some out there who are.,... from my experience actually living here I can say the two go hand in hand. just my two cents.

 

[Gen Stonewall]

What kind of BS arguement is that? Your deceased grandfather is unable to give consent.

What about my father then?

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: eigen
I live in one of the states where there will be a vote regarding gay marriage...though there is a big smokescreen regarding the whole issue, as protecting traditional values,upholding moral etc...It basically comes down to the people here hate gays. Let me put it this way...I have yet to meet one person that is against gay marriage in this state that is also not against homosexuality in general.So while there are some out there who are.,... from my experience actually living here I can say the two go hand in hand. just my two cents.

You can hate homosexuality without hating the person... and I would propose that is how most people feel on the subject.

 

[JustAnAverageGuy]

Originally posted by: Stonewall

What kind of BS arguement is that? Your deceased grandfather is unable to give consent.

What about my father then?

There are alerady laws against incest. Somebody wrote up a long post about slippery slope arguements before. I'll see if I can find it for you.

*edit*

Linky

Look for the post by ForThePeople.

Link assumes 100 posts per page.

 

[JustAnAverageGuy]

*edit*

hit reply and meant edit

 

[Gen Stonewall]

Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy

Originally posted by: Stonewall

What kind of BS arguement is that? Your deceased grandfather is unable to give consent.

What about my father then?

There are alerady laws against incest. Somebody wrote up a long post about slippery slope arguements before. I'll see if I can find it for you.

That's not my point; I'm not claiming that homosexual marriage would lead to incestuous marriage (although it may). My argument was that allowing marriage should not be based on the feelings of various groups of people. ATers, particularly CycloWizard, have given valid arguments as to why homosexual marriage would indeed be a societal health problem.

Edit: The idea of "consent" inspired me to create this thread.