Voters vs. Illegal Immigrants. . .

[Von Ribbentrop]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

The mexicans have been quite well behaved compared to other immigrants like how much trouble the irish caused with riots so save your thinly veiled racist crap hiding under some hypocritical "laws".

That's why there are 15,000 illegal aliens in California prisons alone.

Why don't we let every country empty there criminals at our borders. According to you if we don't let everybody in we're racist.

Why do you play the race card at every opportunity?

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Bullcrap, your ancestors came here with no quotas and no waiting lists, this did not change until whites were not the main people looking for freedom, you are a immigrant just as much as they are, except your familys back is far more "wet" since you had to cower in the bottom of a dirty boats cargo hold to make it here to be greeted and scorned by the same mindset you think you can throw at the newest americans.

I get it now........................YOU"RE THE RACIST!

I don't care who they are or where they come from if they are illegal then they must go.

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

They have every right to show the flag of there culture when it is white america who has gone from giving them mutual respect to trashing them saying they are illegals, of course they are proud and show a flag.

If they are legal they have that right. If they are illegal they have only one right and thats to get out.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Von Ribbentrop

Why do you play the race card at every opportunity?

Not playing a race card, the base of the issue is nothing less then pointing the finger at one race and laying blame where there is plenty to go around. And there is plenty of racism involved in this, it is well known that a good part of whites do not like mexicans, and mexicans have resentment for it, they know it, you know it, and playing stupid in a forum about it not being a issue is pointless to solving the problem before us.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: palehorse74

This has nothing to do with race. I don't care if you're whiter than Wonderbread, if you're not here legally, then GTFO!

Not possible anymore, we are long past that point for a lot of reasons and blame all around, so how about adressing reality and lets figure out where to go from here.

I'll tell you where we go: we round them up and bus them south. period. then we lockdown the borders with machineguns, dogs, and even landmines if necessary. then we build a fence and/or a wall, and we man it day and night. Anyone caught coming across is given a free shuttle-bus ride back across the border. (IF they manage to live through the landmines in the first place!)

Then, and only then, we work with other nations on reforming our legal immigration policy in an attempt to make it faster and more effective; thus allowing more legal immigrants, from anywhere in the world, to enter the US every day.

problem solved.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: palehorse74

This has nothing to do with race. I don't care if you're whiter than Wonderbread, if you're not here legally, then GTFO!

Not possible anymore, we are long past that point for a lot of reasons and blame all around, so how about adressing reality and lets figure out where to go from here.

I'll tell you where we go: we round them up and bus them south. period. then we lockdown the borders with machineguns, dogs, and even landmines if necessary. then we build a fence and/or a wall, and we man it day and night. Anyone caught coming across is given a free shuttle-bus ride back across the border. (IF they manage to live through the landmines in the first place!)

Then, and only then, we work with other nations on reforming our legal immigration policy in an attempt to make it faster and more effective; thus allowing more legal immigrants, from anywhere in the world, to enter the US every day.

problem solved.

Keep dreaming is all I have to say, not only would that possibly cause riots but who the hell is going to do all this manpower internsive work to "bus them all" 12 million + people uprooted from their homes, yeah right.

That is the most unrealistic and foolish idea from you yet in here, I am sure you would love to see so many people lose there homes and familys torn apart though to get that sense of revenge that someone is taking what is sooo rightfully yours.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: palehorse74

This has nothing to do with race. I don't care if you're whiter than Wonderbread, if you're not here legally, then GTFO!

Not possible anymore, we are long past that point for a lot of reasons and blame all around, so how about adressing reality and lets figure out where to go from here.

I'll tell you where we go: we round them up and bus them south. period. then we lockdown the borders with machineguns, dogs, and even landmines if necessary. then we build a fence and/or a wall, and we man it day and night. Anyone caught coming across is given a free shuttle-bus ride back across the border. (IF they manage to live through the landmines in the first place!)

Then, and only then, we work with other nations on reforming our legal immigration policy in an attempt to make it faster and more effective; thus allowing more legal immigrants, from anywhere in the world, to enter the US every day.

problem solved.

Keep dreaming is all I have to say, not only would that possibly cause riots but who the hell is going to do all this manpower internsive work to "bus them all" 12 million + people uprooted from there homes, yeah right.

I'm sure we could find plenty of volunteers, trust me!

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

problem solved.

Keep dreaming is all I have to say, not only would that possibly cause riots but who the hell is going to do all this manpower internsive work to "bus them all" 12 million + people uprooted from there homes, yeah right.[/quote]
I'm sure we could find plenty of volunteers, trust me![/quote]

Sure, and the iraq war is just busting to the seams with volunteers also. :roll:

I am sure the armchair warrior brigade is willing to step up like they did for the war too huh? Please think before you come up with such dumb ideas.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: palehorse74

This has nothing to do with race. I don't care if you're whiter than Wonderbread, if you're not here legally, then GTFO!

Not possible anymore, we are long past that point for a lot of reasons and blame all around, so how about adressing reality and lets figure out where to go from here.

I'll tell you where we go: we round them up and bus them south. period. then we lockdown the borders with machineguns, dogs, and even landmines if necessary. then we build a fence and/or a wall, and we man it day and night. Anyone caught coming across is given a free shuttle-bus ride back across the border. (IF they manage to live through the landmines in the first place!)

Then, and only then, we work with other nations on reforming our legal immigration policy in an attempt to make it faster and more effective; thus allowing more legal immigrants, from anywhere in the world, to enter the US every day.

problem solved.

That's your solution? With all those years of "HUMINT" experience and studying terrorism and what-not and *that's* your solution?

wow.

You should have never left your joystick.

 

[Steeplerot]

Be kinda funny to see palehorse lead the charge to displace millions and fling them out of their homes violently, The battle of the pale horse armchair warrior brigade meets "the brown steamroller". Roooouuuund 1 FIGHT! :laugh:

All kidding aside all out race wars in this country is bad news, and there are many little factions of non mexicans americans who have problems at this point with other americans in this point in time also, all it takes is one fight somewhere where it spills over into a divided neighborhood or city and then you have chaos.

rush limbaugh hyped up suburbanite nascar dads getting the guns ready to take out latte sipping liberal commies, this is a really bad idea.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Steeplerot


It is not the "illegals" that are affecting the country negativly it is the flawed laws that allowed this mess to start. People are just doing what is best for themselves and their families to make do.

I beleive that's what Bonnie and Clyde said??

And the founders of our country against the "laws" of the british, abraham lincoln about unfair slave "laws" on the books, women who went to vote even though it was against the "law" etc etc etc.

The whole law things is a huge strawman to excuse a direct attack on the culture of a people that have done nothing less then work hard and try to make a living like our ancestors have done.

I can't believe you are calling the "law" a strawman argument. Just because you thinhk it's a bad law doesn't make it so.

I guess we should let the whole world move here until things get so bad that all the smart people leave.

I'm begining to suspect that you are somehow benifiting from the illegals being in this country.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

I'm begining to suspect that you are somehow benifiting from the illegals being in this country.

We all are, as they are as much a part of america as this point as the rest of us.

It is the anti-immigration folks who are trying to drive a line through america.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

I'm begining to suspect that you are somehow benifiting from the illegals being in this country.

We all are, as they are as much a part of america as this point as the rest of us.

It is the anti-immigration folks who are trying to drive a line through america.

Wrong, we are trying to drive a line around us as to force people to go through the proper channels.

And for the record I dont think any of us are anti-immigration as the left tries to makes us out to be. We are anti-illegal immigration.

It is one of those blanket statements that isnt based in reality your types throw out there in the hope it sticks. Kind of like your blanket racists statements we hear so often when you cant formulate a reasonable argument.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

I'm begining to suspect that you are somehow benifiting from the illegals being in this country.

We all are, as they are as much a part of america as this point as the rest of us.

It is the anti-immigration folks who are trying to drive a line through america.

Wrong, we are trying to drive a line around us as to force people to go through the proper channels.

And for the record I dont think any of us are anti-immigration as the left tries to makes us out to be. We are anti-illegal immigration.

It is one of those blanket statements that isnt based in reality your types throw out there in the hope it sticks. Kind of like your blanket racists statements we hear so often when you cant formulate a reasonable argument.

It is too late to seperate illegal from legal in a country almost wholly immigrants anyhow, it is nothing more then agitating a already complicated situation that I agree needs some serious sorting out.

We can figure out to get these people legal, or we can incite race riots in a country that was pretty peaceful but just needed a bit of accountability from a poorly run system, the choice is not in our hands at this point though.

Saying a good amount of our workforce is illegal and threatening to forcefully deport them is foolish, something has to be done, but throwing the baby out with the bathwater is not going to work.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

I'm begining to suspect that you are somehow benifiting from the illegals being in this country.

We all are, as they are as much a part of america as this point as the rest of us.

It is the anti-immigration folks who are trying to drive a line through america.

No, we all aren't. And who is anti-immigration? There is a BIG difference between being anti-illegals and anti-immigration.

The more the coporations can use cheap labor the worse it gets for everyone. Just so you people in NYC don't have to pay your garbageman, busboys, and dishwashers a living wage to get someone to do the job?

Sorry, but I've laid out my reasons why I think it's wrong. You don't agree with them and I don't agree with yours. It's too bad you don't use your common sense to see that we have a great country here (which is why they want to come) and that laws and policys are a nessecary evil.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
laws and policys are a nessecary evil.

Yes they are, but bad laws and policys are what got us into this bad situation in the first place, carrying on with something that is shown to be wrong is foolish,(racist quotas) the damage is done, and to be honest, it really isnt anything damaging at all to america, it is a lot of hype fueled by peoples intolerance and fear.

Immigration has never hurt america, if anything we should be letting a LOT more people in then we do now including the border hopping, they wouldnt come here if there was not a market, and if we are to compete in the 21st century we are going to have to get smart about getting more productive people here soon, and planning it so we dont trash our country as far as enviromentally.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

It is too late to seperate illegal from legal in a country almost wholly immigrants anyhow, it is nothing more then agitating a already complicated situation that I agree needs some serious sorting out.

We can figure out to get these people legal, or we can incite race riots in a country that was pretty peaceful but just needed a bit of accountability from a poorly run system, the choice is not in our hands at this point though.

Saying a good amount of our workforce is illegal and threatening to forcefully deport them is foolish, something has to be done, but throwing the baby out with the bathwater is not going to work.

I say we severly punish the people who knowingly employ illegals and punish the ones who aren't "smart enough" to figure out they are employing illegals.

Then lets put the illegals in prison for 2 years and make them build "the fence". We would givem them a grace period to get out, but after that they are punishable by law.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

It is too late to seperate illegal from legal in a country almost wholly immigrants anyhow, it is nothing more then agitating a already complicated situation that I agree needs some serious sorting out.

We can figure out to get these people legal, or we can incite race riots in a country that was pretty peaceful but just needed a bit of accountability from a poorly run system, the choice is not in our hands at this point though.

Saying a good amount of our workforce is illegal and threatening to forcefully deport them is foolish, something has to be done, but throwing the baby out with the bathwater is not going to work.

I say we severly punish the people who knowingly employ illegals and punish the ones who aren't "smart enough" to figure it out.

Then lets put the illegals in prison for 2 years and make them build "the fence". We would givem them a grace period to get out, but after that they are punishable by law.

I know such a fantasy would fullfill some need for revenge (whoever or whatver harmed you I have no clue) but there is no need to do anything with our workforce besides make employers accountable to pay proper wages and stop taking advantage, we are lucky to have people willing to work come here, they only make us stronger in the long run, but yeah, we should keep checks on how they come in I agree in the future.

 

[palehorse]

ya know, it's really weird to be on the same side of an issue with alot of you...a pleasure even! I just thought i'd throw that out there! lol... I told you all many times that the only items that I tend to agree with, in terms of Bush and his Admin, are the GWOT and Iraq. He's way out in left field with his guest-worker nonsense...

Steeple> agree to disagree at this point.

conjie> My landmined border was a joke, and has been each time this topic has come up. the point was that i believe that drastic measures are necessary, whatever those ending up being...

 

[Todd33]

I think both sides are going crazy about this issue. Our economy depends on these people so you cannot simple ship 12 million people back home. At the same time you cannot support all of Mexico. It's a tightrope and a third rail, it won't be fixed anytime soon.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
laws and policys are a nessecary evil.

Yes they are, but bad laws and policys are what got us into this bad situation in the first place, carrying on with something that is shown to be wrong is foolish,(racist quotas) the damage is done, and to be honest, it really isnt anything damaging at all to america, it is a lot of hype fueled by peoples intolerance and fear.

Immigration has never hurt america, if anything we should be letting a LOT more people in then we do now including the border hopping, they wouldnt come here if there was not a market, and if we are to compete in the 21st century we are going to have to get smart about getting more productive people here soon, and planning it so we dont trash our country as far as enviromentally.

Before we can do anything that will actually work, we have to be able to control our borders, and we can't do that now, so talk all you like, but to let the illegals here off the hook is just begging for more illegals to come in unaccounted for. We've been there and done that already and it didn't work.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Todd33
I think both sides are going crazy about this issue. Our economy depends on these people so you cannot simple ship 12 million people back home. At the same time you cannot support all of Mexico. It's a tightrope and a third rail, it won't be fixed anytime soon.

I liken this to the natural gas issue in the Ukraine. Our economy may be artificially propped up becauise of this cheap labor in some markets. It is better to nip this in arse now and see an adjustment than to wait 20 years and have it rip us a new A-Hole.

Right now it is possible this is an artificial variable within the economy that is affecting the output.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Todd33
I think both sides are going crazy about this issue. Our economy depends on these people so you cannot simple ship 12 million people back home. At the same time you cannot support all of Mexico. It's a tightrope and a third rail, it won't be fixed anytime soon.

You're right. Both sides are f*cked in the head about this issue.

I'm formulating my master plan (muhahahahaha) right now. I'll post it as soon as I'm done.

I can guarantee this: Everyone will HATE it. And I mean EVERYONE!

WOOHOO!

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
laws and policys are a nessecary evil.

Yes they are, but bad laws and policys are what got us into this bad situation in the first place, carrying on with something that is shown to be wrong is foolish,(racist quotas) the damage is done, and to be honest, it really isnt anything damaging at all to america, it is a lot of hype fueled by peoples intolerance and fear.

Immigration has never hurt america, if anything we should be letting a LOT more people in then we do now including the border hopping, they wouldnt come here if there was not a market, and if we are to compete in the 21st century we are going to have to get smart about getting more productive people here soon, and planning it so we dont trash our country as far as enviromentally.

Before we can do anything that will actually work, we have to be able to control our borders, and we can't do that now, so talk all you like, but to let the illegals here off the hook is just begging for more illegals to come in unaccounted for. We've been there and done that already.

I dont agree, they come here because of employment oppurtunities, if we actually fill our needed workforce and expand our economy in a accountable way we would have no room for them in our labor pool, thus mexico will be more desireable instead of coming here, people dont just drift for no reason, they come here becasue we dont bring in what we need as far as manpower obviously, if all of freakin hardworking mexicans are needed to work here to make america strong, sucks to be mexico, they get no labor force.

You cant expect to have a border on two countries and not have this happen, its as old as countries itself. One will dominate the other depending on oppurtunity, and yes, over time mexico will grow also to be strong as there people will demand better back home since we are neighbors, but this whole concept of agression to one another only means two neighbors are not working together and thus losing oppurtunity.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
laws and policys are a nessecary evil.

Yes they are, but bad laws and policys are what got us into this bad situation in the first place, carrying on with something that is shown to be wrong is foolish,(racist quotas) the damage is done, and to be honest, it really isnt anything damaging at all to america, it is a lot of hype fueled by peoples intolerance and fear.

Immigration has never hurt america, if anything we should be letting a LOT more people in then we do now including the border hopping, they wouldnt come here if there was not a market, and if we are to compete in the 21st century we are going to have to get smart about getting more productive people here soon, and planning it so we dont trash our country as far as enviromentally.

Before we can do anything that will actually work, we have to be able to control our borders, and we can't do that now, so talk all you like, but to let the illegals here off the hook is just begging for more illegals to come in unaccounted for. We've been there and done that already.

I dont agree, they come here because of employment oppurtunities, if we actually fill our needed workforce and expand our economy in a accountable way we would have no room for them in our labor pool, thus mexico will be more desireable instead of coming here, people dont just drift for no reason, they come here becasue we dont bring in what we need as far as manpower obviously.

While this works out in your fantasy world the poor and lower middle class see their wages errode because these illegals will work for 3 bucks an hour.

 

[AAjax]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
The only problem Ihave with JeepinEd's story there is the person who legally could work but decided they didnt want to continue to seek a new job and went back home, sounds like lack of commitment to looking for one, no excuse, there are jobs out there.

Get off your butt and put applications in or something.

omg...

OMG indeed

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Genx87

While this works out in your fantasy world the poor and lower middle class see their wages errode because these illegals will work for 3 bucks an hour.

Wrong, becasue employers should not be able to take advantage, that is one of the big problems, unions and accountability of employers are a perfect soloution.