Voters vs. Illegal Immigrants. . .

[JeepinEd]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: JeepinEd
Steeplerot:

I became a naturalized citizen last year. My family came here legally from Central America, after waiting for over 2 years to get the correct documentation. Now, let me tell you two short stories:

1. A friend of ours decided he did not want to go through the paperwork to come here legally, so he decided to enter the US illegally. He started in El Salvador, made it through Guatemala, then got caught by authorities in Mexico. He disappeared for 3 weeks, before Mexican authorities dumped him in Guatemala. He was held in jail and was denied any phone calls, an attorney or a trial. He was beaten and interrogated (they wanted to know if there was a Coyote sneaking him into Mexico). Now, these same people are crossing into our country illegally and demanding that they be made legal? Does the word hypocrite mean anything to you?

2. I know several other families that came here legally at about the same time as us. Most of their family members went to work as janitors and construction workers. A few years ago, they started losing their jobs. All were replaced by illegal aliens working for cash. I know of one instance in particular, where a gal who was making $10.50/hour was fired and replaced by an illegal alien earning $6.25/hour under the table. I know this because another one of her coworkers, who was later fired, spoke to the new hire and got all the info. Similar situations took place with their husbands working construction. Of the 4 the I know, only 1 still has a job, earning just as much now, as he was 5 year ago.

Several of these people have now gone back to their country, because nobody will hire them anymore. Why? BECAUSE THEY ARE HERE LEGALLY AND EXPECT LEGAL WAGES!

You also talk about them being able to purchase SS#'s off the street. THAT'S CALLED IDENTITY THEFT! They don't just make these numbers up. The name has to match the SS#, or the IRS will send them a letter.

I'd suggest you take off your rose colored glasses and come in to the real world where US Citizens and legal aliens are negatively affected by the flow of illegals into this country.

Ed

WOW< thanks for sharing your story!

I have a question though, are you implying that Mexico wants to keep the illegal alien jobs in the US just for the Mexicans?

No, what I am saying is that Mexico won't even allow your children to attend school if you are not there legally (never mind how they treat you if they catch you there illegally,) yet they come here and call us racist for wanting to enforce our borders.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: AAjax

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
The only problem Ihave with JeepinEd's story there is the person who legally could work but decided they didnt want to continue to seek a new job and went back home, sounds like lack of commitment to looking for one, no excuse, there are jobs out there.

Get off your butt and put applications in or something.

omg...

OMG indeed

Our economy is not like mexicos in any way, so no there is no OMG unless you think we are in the same situation, there is no comparison, we have more then enough jobs and unions this person could have joined to protect herself from being fired. She/he ran or did not want to work. I think there is more to the story I bet, if you are legal there is no excuse in this country not to find work when so many come here and do make decent wages, and a lot of mexicans make far more then min wage unlike this example.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: AAjax

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
The only problem Ihave with JeepinEd's story there is the person who legally could work but decided they didnt want to continue to seek a new job and went back home, sounds like lack of commitment to looking for one, no excuse, there are jobs out there.

Get off your butt and put applications in or something.

omg...

OMG indeed

Our economy is not like mexicos in any way, so no there is no OMG unless you think we are in the same situation, there is no comparison, we have more then enough jobs and unions this person could have joined to protect herself from being fired. She/he ran or did not want to work. I think there is more to the story I bet, if you are legal there is no excuse in this country not to find work when so many come here and do make decent wages, and a lot of mexicans make far more then min wage unlike this example.

so now you're blaming the legal aliens for the damage being done to their work sectors by the illegals, and those who hire them? you're attributing their loss of jobs to laziness?!

that's just incredible... or, rather, it's dispicable!

 

[Von Ribbentrop]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Von Ribbentrop

Why do you play the race card at every opportunity?

Not playing a race card, the base of the issue is nothing less then pointing the finger at one race and laying blame where there is plenty to go around. And there is plenty of racism involved in this, it is well known that a good part of whites do not like mexicans, and mexicans have resentment for it, they know it, you know it, and playing stupid in a forum about it not being a issue is pointless to solving the problem before us.

You are playing the race card. If the majority of illegal aliens were from Canada/England
Do you think that would change how U.S. Citizens view our current situation?

Race card = political tactic to appeal to racist motives in the electorate.

"Every good liberal knows if you can't win your argument on any other grounds, you always have race. The one big advantage to playing the race card, of course, is that you can paint any opposing thoughts or viewpoints as being racist."

You cannot objectively discuss this issue. According to you, the majority of U.S. Citizens are either racist or too stupid to bow to your wisdom. I resent your opinion

Security of our borders should be one of our main priorities.

The current system doesn't work and must be fixed. It's going to get a lot worse before it gets better. We will once again bend and it will cause a snowball effect. The next crop of illegals will enter and wait for the next amnesty period. And are any of the proposals on the table going to fix the problem? I don't think so. Let's hope that the we as a country will hold our leaders responsible. I personally will vote against anyone who is tolerant of illegal aliens.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Von Ribbentrop
I personally will vote against anyone who is tolerant of illegal aliens.

QFT!

 

[Banzai042]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: AAjax

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
The only problem Ihave with JeepinEd's story there is the person who legally could work but decided they didnt want to continue to seek a new job and went back home, sounds like lack of commitment to looking for one, no excuse, there are jobs out there.

Get off your butt and put applications in or something.

omg...

OMG indeed

Our economy is not like mexicos in any way, so no there is no OMG unless you think we are in the same situation, there is no comparison, we have more then enough jobs and unions this person could have joined to protect herself from being fired. She/he ran or did not want to work. I think there is more to the story I bet, if you are legal there is no excuse in this country not to find work when so many come here and do make decent wages, and a lot of mexicans make far more then min wage unlike this example.

So what you're saying is that the only reason we have any unemployment at all is because the unemployed are too lazy to get work? So i guess then that when people loose jobs due to outsourcing and they can't find work it's their own fault? Or is it just possible that in fact those that are here *LEGALLY* are getting screwed because employers would rather pay illegals who will take lower pay and save the corporations money. Based on your statements I will guess that you fully support outsourcing, after all, in both cases it's legal american workers getting replaced by lower paid workers from other nations because it saves the big companies money and increases profits, the only difference is where the workers live.

 

[Steeplerot]

Outsourcing is the same kind of scam as taking advantage of undocumented workers to pay crap wages, I am for neither.

Read the post, I was saying someone coming into america who loses a job (which should have been contested anyhow) should either take appropriate actions legally against the crappy employer or join a union to protect themselves from predatory employers, but no, there is no excuse nowdays to just give up and say there is no work, there is work out there, granted it is not as good in quality as it used to be. (outsourcing)
Cheap labor conservatives screw us here with unionbusting which is a big cause of the low wage hiring of immigrants and their support for outsourcing.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Outsourcing is the same kind of scam as taking advantage of undocumented workers to pay crap wages, I am for neither.

so now you're using the latest and greatest term "undocumented" to completely avoid the truth.

you cant even call them what they are? they are ILLEGAL workers damnit, not "undocumented"...

bah.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Outsourcing is the same kind of scam as taking advantage of undocumented workers to pay crap wages, I am for neither.

so now you're using the latest and greatest term "undocumented" to completely avoid the truth.

you cant even call them what they are? they are ILLEGAL workers damnit, not "undocumented"...

bah.

I do not need to make an enemy out of anything slightly different, I am not a coward like that, matter of fact I embrace what is different to strengthen what I know and to learn.


Grow a pair and look around, the world is not out to get you nor could it even care as a whole.

Quit looking for an enemy and realize that it is you yourself that is your worst own enemy and it is you alone that have put yourself in such a twisted place.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Outsourcing is the same kind of scam as taking advantage of undocumented workers to pay crap wages, I am for neither.

so now you're using the latest and greatest term "undocumented" to completely avoid the truth.

you cant even call them what they are? they are ILLEGAL workers damnit, not "undocumented"...

bah.

I do not need to make an enemy out of anything slightly different, I am not a coward like that, matter of fact I embrace what is different to strengthen what I know and to learn.

Some people are just plain scared and always looking for an enemy though.

Grow a pair and look around, the world is not out to get you nor could it even care as a whole.

Quit looking for an enemy and realize you are your enemy.

LOL.. what the hell does any of that have to do with you mislabeling the workers as "undocumented," rather than the truth, they are illegal workers?!

It's an attempt to deflect the truth. you cant even be honest with yourself and see that!

this isnt even a case of political correctness, it's outright deception!

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: palehorse74



It's an attempt to deflect the truth. you cant even be honest with yourself and see that!

All I have to say is grow a pair and maybe you will understand you are the one making your own enemies up, Your fear of everything around you must be maddening.

The only thing you have to fear is fear itself. And fear (enemies) drives your hate of anything outside your little self centered cocoon.

btw, no human is illegal becasue he happened to be born somewhere else or whackjobs like you try to frame them to be, we all have done something illegal, even if it was ripping the tag off a cushion or jaywalking you have no room to call someone that.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: palehorse74

problem solved.

Keep dreaming is all I have to say, not only would that possibly cause riots but who the hell is going to do all this manpower internsive work to "bus them all" 12 million + people uprooted from there homes, yeah right.

I'm sure we could find plenty of volunteers, trust me![/quote]

Sure, and the iraq war is just busting to the seams with volunteers also. :roll:

I am sure the armchair warrior brigade is willing to step up like they did for the war too huh? Please think before you come up with such dumb ideas.[/quote]

People don't support the Iraq war. People do support stronger enforcement of our borders and immigration laws. That's the difference.

 

[JeepinEd]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
The only problem Ihave with JeepinEd's story there is the person who legally could work but decided they didnt want to continue to seek a new job and went back home, sounds like lack of commitment to looking for one, no excuse, there are jobs out there.

Get off your butt and put applications in or something.

What they found is that they could no longer find a job that paid a decent wage.
Call it foolish, or proud, but they did not want to rely on the government.
Not all of them went back home, mind you. One family found work in North Carolina, while another had enough money saved to put their kids through college and recently purchased a home in Nevada.

The point of it all is that the influx of illegal immigrants HAS depressed wages and put legal citizens and permanent residents out of work. It's not some right wing racist rumor being spread, it's a FACT.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: palehorse74



It's an attempt to deflect the truth. you cant even be honest with yourself and see that!

All I have to say is grow a pair and maybe you will understand you are the one making your own enemies up, Your fear of everything around you must be maddening.

The only thing you have to fear is fear itself. And fear (enemies) drives your hate of anything outside your little self centered cocoon.

btw, no human is illegal becasue he happened to be born somewhere else or whackjobs like you try to frame them to be, we all have done something illegal, even if it was ripping the tag off a cushion or jaywalking you have no room to call someone that.

I have every right to label those who commit crimes as criminals. Common sense dictates as much.

I do not believe that their crime was being born elsewhere, no matter what your bleeding heart tells you I believe. Their actual crime was when they illegally entered the USA. They then proceed to take payments under the table. That lengthens their list of their personal crimes; and it makes those who are paying them under the table criminals as well!

This has nothing to do with fear. I despise criminals...ALL of them! I do not "fear" them.

I live my life within the law and expect everyone to do the same. It is their choice to break the law, so they should accept whatever punishment we as a society deem necessary. The problem is that most of our nation has grown slack in their enforcement of said laws. It's about time we get back on track and start enforcing them again, before the situation gets even worse!

you consistently condone criminal behavoir. why is that?

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: palehorse74



It's an attempt to deflect the truth. you cant even be honest with yourself and see that!

All I have to say is grow a pair and maybe you will understand you are the one making your own enemies up, Your fear of everything around you must be maddening.

The only thing you have to fear is fear itself. And fear (enemies) drives your hate of anything outside your little self centered cocoon.

btw, no human is illegal becasue he happened to be born somewhere else or whackjobs like you try to frame them to be, we all have done something illegal, even if it was ripping the tag off a cushion or jaywalking you have no room to call someone that.

I have every right to label those who commit crimes as criminals. Common sense dictates as much.

I do not believe that their crime was being born elsewhere, no matter what your bleeding heart tells you I believe. Their actual crime was when they illegally entered the USA. They then proceed to take payments under the table. That lengthens their list of their personal crimes; and it makes those who are paying them under the table criminals as well!

This has nothing to do with fear. I despise criminals...ALL of them! I do not "fear" them.

I live my life within the law and expect everyone to do the same. It is their choice to break the law, so they should accept whatever punishment we as a society deem necessary. The problem is that most of our nation has grown slack in their enforcement of said laws. It's about time we get back on track and start enforcing them again, before the situation gets even worse!

you consistently condone criminal behavoir. why is that?

Check it out:
You know if you habitually speed and get enough tickets you will go to jail for violating the law, I bet if we took every time your speedometer ever creeped above the limit, each time you KNEW and didnt care if you were going against the "law of the land" and handed you tickets for each infraction, YOU would be in jail too, for a long time a felon to never drive again.

The difference is you want to use this law of immigration to get back at someone, to make them pay for supposedly "taking" something from you, this is not about what is legal or not, for you yourself are a felon if you were called to all infractions and mistakes you have ever made knowingly or not, you are just as guilty for knowingly casting aside the laws, this is about something more, you know you have someone in a situation where they are caught, and you want revenge. For what is the question. Is it the old "Better you then me?" Is it in contempt for someone who let themselves get caught?

Now that we cut through your "legal" bs tell us how you really feel about someone sharing what you think is all yours, your selfish, get right down to it. You do not feel they deserve what you have, not becasue you earned it, (it was given to you by birth) but becasue somehow they are lesser to you. Feel free to tell us how you really feel palehorse.

 

[Witling]

GT, has anyone ever compared you to a housefly -- you know, eating $hit and bothering people. I've made two posts in this series. Here they are.

GTKeeper, where do you get off with the statement that "these illegals don't pay SS or Taxes?" If you get wages in the U.S. the employer is going to want to deduct them as an expense. The only way the employer can do that is to withhold tax and SS. Now perhaps the casual day laborers who get picked up for a job each day and are usually paid in cash don't pay taxes but everyone who works in a packing plant, landscape crew, or restaurant sure as heck pays it. Perhaps the reason the elected officials don't "represent the people" is that the people have their head where the sun doesn't shine.

I think Steeplerot pretty much covered the SS and tax question. Believe me, it's not a problem. Paying taxes has little to do with filing a tax return if you work for wages. Answer me this one if it isn't an archaic, racist law. Why is capital free to move anywhere on the globe but labor is not?

Your reply is

Just like your last argument this one is flawed as well. You claim that a company benefits from having their workers pay SS and taxes.... you are wrong. Sure they get a write off for that, but if they employ legally they have to have insurance for EVERY single worker. Not only that but any other benefit like AD&D, sick pay etc. It is much cheaper to pay 5 dollars an hour in cash under the table. I know several people who employ illegals for cheap labor. And they wouldn't dare report to the government that these people work for them.

Go ahead, parse my material. Please write down the sentense where I claim that a company benefits from having their workers pay SS and taxes. Go ahead, I double dog dare you. Extra credit if you find the word "benefit" anywhere in there. It's true that if you employ workers you need Workers' Comp insurance. That's true they are dry or wet. And no, you can give benefits like sick pay to some workers but not others. The fact that you know several people who pay illegals under the tables is somewhat like swatting flies. A lifetime of swatting flies does not make on an entomologist.

Finally, in my second post I did ask one question. You missed that completely but you did manage to find a discussion about "benefiting a business." OK, just show me which sentence it is.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: palehorse74



It's an attempt to deflect the truth. you cant even be honest with yourself and see that!

All I have to say is grow a pair and maybe you will understand you are the one making your own enemies up, Your fear of everything around you must be maddening.

The only thing you have to fear is fear itself. And fear (enemies) drives your hate of anything outside your little self centered cocoon.

btw, no human is illegal becasue he happened to be born somewhere else or whackjobs like you try to frame them to be, we all have done something illegal, even if it was ripping the tag off a cushion or jaywalking you have no room to call someone that.

I have every right to label those who commit crimes as criminals. Common sense dictates as much.

I do not believe that their crime was being born elsewhere, no matter what your bleeding heart tells you I believe. Their actual crime was when they illegally entered the USA. They then proceed to take payments under the table. That lengthens their list of their personal crimes; and it makes those who are paying them under the table criminals as well!

This has nothing to do with fear. I despise criminals...ALL of them! I do not "fear" them.

I live my life within the law and expect everyone to do the same. It is their choice to break the law, so they should accept whatever punishment we as a society deem necessary. The problem is that most of our nation has grown slack in their enforcement of said laws. It's about time we get back on track and start enforcing them again, before the situation gets even worse!

you consistently condone criminal behavoir. why is that?

Check it out:
You know if you habitually speed and get enough tickets you will go to jail for violating the law, I bet if we took every time your speedometer ever creeped above the limit, each time you KNEW and didnt care if you were going against the "law of the land" and handed you tickets for each infraction, YOU would be in jail too, for a long time a felon to never drive again.

The difference is you want to use this law of immigration to get back at someone, to make them pay for supposedly "taking" something from you, this is not about what is legal or not, for you yourself are a felon if you were called to all infractions and mistakes you have ever made knowingly or not, you are just as guilty for knowingly casting aside the laws, this is about something more, you know you have someone in a situation where they are caught, and you want revenge. For what is the question. Is it the old "Better you then me?" Is it in contempt for someone who let themselves get caught?

1) you are equating speeding, jaywalking, or ripping the label off a mattress to felony trespassing or entering another country unlawfully?!

seriously!?

2) There is also another point: if/when I speed, or break any other laws, I am completely willing to pay for my activities if/when I'm caught! If I get caught speeding, I do not whine or complain, I pay the ticket! (that said, it's been 8 years since my last ticket...knock on wood!).

So, if the system yanks my license or jails me for a long list of infractions, then so be it! That is the entire concept of a crime and punishment based justice system! You do the crime, you do the time!

I am personally responsible for every decision I make, and every action I take. The same is just as true of foreigners who knowingly break the law to enter this country illegally... whether YOU like it or not!

You and your bleeding heart somehow justify their criminal activities because they were unfortunate enough to be born elsewhere and with less opportunity. THAT is the bottom line!

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

You and your bleeding heart somehow justify their criminal activities because they were unfortunate enough to be born elsewhere and with less opportunity. THAT is the bottom line!

You knowingly break laws and toss out the law of the land yourself in many ways besides knowingly speeding, you even admit to not caring that you shall be punished as if this makes you somehow not guilty, a cheap dodge. who are you to judge someone for only trying to feed your family, you are not any better, you yourself are a common criminal in many ways, what is it about mexicans that bothers you, now that you know you have the upper hand and they are caught, that is the issue. You obviously care not about justice as it is just a hinderince to you to be paid off absolving you. You still have the criminal intent in you. Tell us how you REALLY feel. What drives your anger toward them?

 

[JeepinEd]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
laws and policys are a nessecary evil.

Yes they are, but bad laws and policys are what got us into this bad situation in the first place, carrying on with something that is shown to be wrong is foolish,(racist quotas) the damage is done, and to be honest, it really isnt anything damaging at all to america, it is a lot of hype fueled by peoples intolerance and fear.

Immigration has never hurt america, if anything we should be letting a LOT more people in then we do now including the border hopping, they wouldnt come here if there was not a market, and if we are to compete in the 21st century we are going to have to get smart about getting more productive people here soon, and planning it so we dont trash our country as far as enviromentally.

Before we can do anything that will actually work, we have to be able to control our borders, and we can't do that now, so talk all you like, but to let the illegals here off the hook is just begging for more illegals to come in unaccounted for. We've been there and done that already.

I dont agree, they come here because of employment oppurtunities, if we actually fill our needed workforce and expand our economy in a accountable way we would have no room for them in our labor pool, thus mexico will be more desireable instead of coming here, people dont just drift for no reason, they come here becasue we dont bring in what we need as far as manpower obviously, if all of freakin hardworking mexicans are needed to work here to make america strong, sucks to be mexico, they get no labor force.

You cant expect to have a border on two countries and not have this happen, its as old as countries itself. One will dominate the other depending on oppurtunity, and yes, over time mexico will grow also to be strong as there people will demand better back home since we are neighbors, but this whole concept of agression to one another only means two neighbors are not working together and thus losing oppurtunity.

So if I were to expand on your reasoning, I can say let's punish employers who hire illegal aliens. This will eliminate the market for illegal labor and make Mexico seem like a better alternative to them.

Wow we can agree on something!

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: palehorse74

You and your bleeding heart somehow justify their criminal activities because they were unfortunate enough to be born elsewhere and with less opportunity. THAT is the bottom line!

You knowingly break laws and toss out the law of the land yourself, who are you to judge someone for only trying to feed your family, you are not any better, you yourself are a common criminal in many ways, what is it about mexicans that bothers you, that is the issue.

Your attempts to equate ripping off a mattress tag or jaywalking to unlawful entry into the US are laughable.

I'm a criminal? says who? you? what crime have I been convicted of that I didnt pay for?

This isn't about "mexicans," and has nothing to do with race. If you commit a crime and get caught, then you must live with the punishment mandated by the society you live in. period.

In this case, we have evidence to suggest that more than 12 million Americans have commited a very serious crime. It is up to our government to ensure they are justly punished for it.

They are knowingly commiting a crime. So, if they're caught, then there should be no excuse, and they should be punished. (in this case, punishment = sent home, fined, etc).

I DO sympathize for their struggle and wish them the best of luck in any future legal endeavors, but I absolutely refuse to give them a free pass on breaking a very serious law. sorry.

Their free passes thus far need to be revoked, period.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: JeepinEd


So if I were to expand on your reasoning, I can say let's punish employers who hire illegal aliens. This will eliminate the market for illegal labor and make Mexico seem like a better alternative to them.

Wow we can agree on something!

I would say employers that used predatory practices in hiring should be accountable for what they have done, sure why not?

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: JeepinEd


So if I were to expand on your reasoning, I can say let's punish employers who hire illegal aliens. This will eliminate the market for illegal labor and make Mexico seem like a better alternative to them.

Wow we can agree on something!

I would say employers that used predatory practices in hiring should be accountable for what they have done, sure why not?

predatory practices? if by that you simply mean that companies that hire illegals should be punished as well, then I finally agree with you. But it should be them AND the illegal aliens themselves who are BOTH punished.

Illegal aliens: Fine them and send them home.

Companies who hire them: Fine them severely and/or probation for the hiring managers and executives. Repeat offenders should be fined even more severely, and jailed.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: palehorse74


I DO sympathize for their struggle and wish them the best of luck in any future legal endeavors, but I absolutely refuse to give them a free pass on breaking a very serious law. sorry.

Very serious to who? To you? I have shown how you yourself could be viewed for all past infractions to be a serious lawbreaker yourself so who are YOU to judge? are we to deport everyone becasue we all have some aspect of criminal intent? Where is the line drawn between what one does to help himself and his family and what is being levied on them for who they actually are.
Your still not coming clean where the anger and need for revenge is.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: palehorse74


I DO sympathize for their struggle and wish them the best of luck in any future legal endeavors, but I absolutely refuse to give them a free pass on breaking a very serious law. sorry.

Very serious to who? To you? I have shown how you yourself could be viewed for all past infractions to be a serious lawbreaker yourself so who are YOU to judge? are we to deport everyone becasue we all have some aspect of criminal intent? Where is the line drawn between what one does to help himself and his family and what is being levied on them for who they actually are.
Your still not coming clean where the anger and need for revenge is.

lol.. listen steeplerot, nobody is ever going to take you seriously if you continue to equate illegal entry into the US, to jaywalking or ripping a label off a mattress.

you're just being ridiculous at this point, so i'm done with you.

g'day.

ps: to answer your question - all of the current polls indicate that the crime of illegal entry is one taken very seriously by an overwhelming majority of this country, so GL on your crusade to equate it to speeding!

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: palehorse74


I DO sympathize for their struggle and wish them the best of luck in any future legal endeavors, but I absolutely refuse to give them a free pass on breaking a very serious law. sorry.

Very serious to who? To you? I have shown how you yourself could be viewed for all past infractions to be a serious lawbreaker yourself so who are YOU to judge? are we to deport everyone becasue we all have some aspect of criminal intent? Where is the line drawn between what one does to help himself and his family and what is being levied on them for who they actually are.
Your still not coming clean where the anger and need for revenge is.

lol.. listen steeplerot, nobody is ever going to take you seriously if you continue to equate illegal entry into the US, to jaywalking or ripping a label off a mattress.

you're just being ridiculous at this point, so i'm done with you.

g'day.

ps: to answer your question - all of the current polls indicate that the crime of illegal entry is one taken very seriously by an overwhelming majority of this country, so GL on your crusade to equate it to speeding!

No problem, noone who really amounts to much takes the view that we can feasabily send the gestapo in and foreceably round up 12+ million people and deport them behind landmines either, and sure people are concerned by the issue, I am too, but your hate for these people is beyond the norm, just trying to see why you are so angry. Oh well, I am sure Iwould know why if you had a few beers in you, its pretty obvious.