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John Connor

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The last time I used PIA was about three or four years ago. But PIA allows port forwarding so your IP is exposed.
 

John Connor

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I'm stating what I thought was obvious in that it's been three to four years since I used PIA and now I guess they have just the OpenVPN option...

That Ruby.exe crap back then was a real turn off as it was constantly thrashing on the SSD.

VPN.ac is just a small stand alone client. Why on earth would anyone make their VPN client so complicated?
 

TeknoBug

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I use Kepard, they even provide information you can put into Windows' own VPN instead of Kepard's download (Win Pro version needed if you want L2TP).
 

John Connor

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You wouldn't want "the Windows" option. That's just very insecure PPTP. The VPN.ac client supports that too, but in their literature on the website they state that it shouldn't be used. I guess the only time you would use it is when you need damn good speed and don't care much about encryption.
 

TheRyuu

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You wouldn't want "the Windows" option. That's just very insecure PPTP. The VPN.ac client supports that too, but in their literature on the website they state that it shouldn't be used. I guess the only time you would use it is when you need damn good speed and don't care much about encryption.

L2TP/IPsec should be secure. The questionable part of using the built in Windows options is the fact that most (all?) VPN providers use a pre-shared key for authentication (and yes PPTP is pretty shit so look for L2TP/IPsec support if you need a built-in option). That's likely to be the weakest point of using that option. The encryption backing it at least in the case of IPsec is secure and can be configured to use PFS (in fact I think most will already do PFS by default but not 100% sure about that because of how main/quick mode work with IPsec).
 

John Connor

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Yeah, I would never consider PPTP and would use L2TP/IPsec if speed was an issue. I can't think of any other reason to use any of that above OpenVPN using AES or ECC.
 

TheRyuu

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Yeah, I would never consider PPTP and would use L2TP/IPsec if speed was an issue. I can't think of any other reason to use any of that above OpenVPN using AES or ECC.

Is speed an issue when using OpenVPN? I don't see a reason why it should be any slower unless there's some weird interactions going on. They're basically both using the same stuff underneath it all (AES+DH of some kind).
 

stockwiz

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switched from btguard to PIA for torrents. Cheaper, works fine, and you have the option of encrypting everything with no perceptible loss in speed to me, as I have the slowest speed $30/month 5 megabit internet service.
 

Zach_B

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When it comes to torrenting you have to be carefull. Only a couple of them are suitable. Make sure the VPN comes with a kill switch and that they have a no logging policy. I haver higher speeds than you mentioned and IPVanish is able to keep up with OpenVPN, without significant speed losses. In this website they review the best VPNs for torrenting. There are more good choices there. And yes, tunnel all your traffic through the VPN. Safer that way
 
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Elixer

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When it comes to torrenting you have to be carefull. Only a couple of them are suitable. Make sure the VPN comes with a kill switch and that they have a no logging policy. I haver higher speeds than you mentioned and IPVanish is able to keep up with OpenVPN, without significant speed losses. In this website they review the best VPNs for torrenting. There are more good choices there. And yes, tunnel all your traffic through the VPN. Safer that way
You honestly think that the ones that say they don't log, actually don't log?
Also, it isn't always better to tunnel everything, like if you use a mail client, most all of the big players will see your IP hopping around, and think your account has been compromised.
Same with bank accounts, and stuff of that nature.
For those type of things, it is better to always have your ISP given IP.
 
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Carson Dyle

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You honestly think that the ones that say they don't log, actually don't log?

Why would they? They're better off in every conceivable way by not keeping logs.

Also, it isn't always better to tunnel everything, like if you use a mail client, most all of the big players will see your IP hopping around, and think your account has been compromised.
Same with bank accounts, and stuff of that nature.
For those type of things, it is better to always have your ISP given IP.

How would anyone be able to retrieve email or do banking on a cell phone on different networks if that were the case?
 

Elixer

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Why would they? They're better off in every conceivable way by not keeping logs.
They need logs to defend themselves from a variety of things.
For example, not too long ago there was a bomb threat against a school, and the authorities got a court order to the VPN in question, pulled the server, looked at connection logs (but they don't keep logs!) and busted the person that way.
More reading on this: http://security.stackexchange.com/q...ate-vpn-when-theres-no-logs-about-who-you-are


How would anyone be able to retrieve email or do banking on a cell phone on different networks if that were the case?
Two factor security usually.
 
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Mark Tapscott

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I do some torrenting and have decided I'm finally going to use a VPN starting as soon as possible. I'm looking for recommendations of a pay VPN service, under $10 per month, if possible. I'll probably do a one or three month signup at first, to try the service.

Never having used a VPN, several things aren't clear to me:

-- Can a service be had that at that price that is capable of giving speeds saturating a cable connection of 60 Mbps or 120 Mbps?

-- Can the VPN tunnel(s) be set up on my hardware router/firewall (Ubiquiti Edgerouter Lite), or must they use a software client? I'll be checking the Ubiquiti forums also about this.

-- Do you recommend tunneling all of your traffic through the VPN, or only traffic where you're concerned about maintaining anonymity?

Seems the speed would dictate whether or not you can tunnel all internet traffic. I'm not overly concerned about achieving full saturation of the link when torrenting, but it would affect whether I want typical web browsing or, say, email retrieval to go through the VPN.
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codyray10

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I'm a little late to the party here, but a few months back I finally caved in and paid for a VPN service after getting a DMCA notice from my ISP for torrents. I didnt do a ton of research on the million+ different providers out there, but kept my eye out on SlickDeals for a good deal. I ended up getting myself a 3 year sub to CyberGhost for like $30-40. I usually get pretty solid DL speeds. Use their app to connect and you're on your way. No manual config required
 

peterbuttler

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A person who has never used a security software usually get caught by ISP for illegal downloading. We purchase VPN for torrening but we forget to use secure payment method for these kind of transactions. Remember you must subscribe a best VPN for torrenting that offers bitcoins payment option, this payment method makes your information anonymous for ISP's and for VPN providers.

I think the most reliable way to read the VPN reviews before buying it, actually this tells you the true story.
 
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AlbaGeor

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I do some torrenting and have decided I'm finally going to use a VPN starting as soon as possible. I'm looking for recommendations of a pay VPN service, under $10 per month, if possible. I'll probably do a one or three month signup at first, to try the service.

Never having used a VPN, several things aren't clear to me:

-- Can a service be had that at that price that is capable of giving speeds saturating a cable connection of 60 Mbps or 120 Mbps?

-- Can the VPN tunnel(s) be set up on my hardware router/firewall (Ubiquiti Edgerouter Lite), or must they use a software client? I'll be checking the Ubiquiti forums also about this.

-- Do you recommend tunneling all of your traffic through the VPN, or only traffic where you're concerned about maintaining anonymity?

Seems the speed would dictate whether or not you can tunnel all internet traffic. I'm not overly concerned about achieving full saturation of the link when torrenting, but it would affect whether I want typical web browsing or, say, email retrieval to go through the VPN.
Check out this website: Vpnsters . Thet have great reviews of VPN services.
 

slag

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I ended up dropping PIA and getting a refund. I just couldn't get anything even remotely resembling my line speed. Even simple web browsing through the VPN was unbearable. The latency alone made it unusable. Turning off the VPN and only using the socks proxy for torrenting was very uneven. It would be fast for periods then it would slow to a crawl.

Still looking...
I use PIA with an 85 Mb connection and can nearly saturate it. I do find that certain servers are faster than others, and normally go through Texas or Florida. I see you didn't like it, but I have had zero complaints with their service or speed. In fact, I re-upped again in September for another year.
 

slag

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Dec 14, 2000
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A person who has never used a security software usually get caught by ISP for illegal downloading. We purchase VPN for torrening but we forget to use secure payment method for these kind of transactions. Remember you must subscribe a best VPN for torrenting that offers bitcoins payment option, this payment method makes your information anonymous for ISP's and for VPN providers.

I think the most reliable way to read the VPN reviews before buying it, actually this tells you the true story.

Never understood this mindset. Who cares if you pay for it with your personal CC or not. VPNs aren't illegal so you don't have to hide the fact that you paid for the service (not that anyone would check anyway). What we care about is the traffic we are transmitting or receiving is secured which it is. Payment is a non issue. I seriously doubt that Comcast or AT&T is going to check my credit card statement to see if I used any one of the myriad of cards or paypal to purchase service for a legal product.
 

Carson Dyle

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Never understood this mindset. Who cares if you pay for it with your personal CC or not.

Really? Only if you're doing nothing illegal or with potential for a lawsuit. If you're torrenting, it's certainly conceivable that someone would hit the VPN provider for their logs and then information about the account holder. That gets back to whether or not VPN providers keep user logs. Like I said before, it would be stupid for them to do so, unless required by law.
 

slag

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Really? Only if you're doing nothing illegal or with potential for a lawsuit. If you're torrenting, it's certainly conceivable that someone would hit the VPN provider for their logs and then information about the account holder. That gets back to whether or not VPN providers keep user logs. Like I said before, it would be stupid for them to do so, unless required by law.


So what.. so they show I paid for vpn usage. That's not illegal. PIA doesn't keep records of any activity either. I imagine they pipe their output to /dev/null, but on their site it says they don't keep records of anything..
 

Carson Dyle

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So what.. so they show I paid for vpn usage. That's not illegal. PIA doesn't keep records of any activity either. I imagine they pipe their output to /dev/null, but on their site it says they don't keep records of anything..

PIA _says_ they don't keep activity records. And you're counting on that, because if they do and they have your billing name and information on file, then there's a direct path to your front door. No, having a VPN isn't illegal. Nobody said it was.

Look, I don't give a damn if you care, or anyone else for that matter, but you're awfully dense if you don't understand the connection.
 
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blackangst1

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