VR-Zone: FX-9590 is the final legacy of the FX line

[sushiwarrior]

You continue to read between the lines and draw you own conclusions since I addressed neither of these questions in any of my posts.



This is the closest reference to these questions but it was a rebuttal to a claim and not a direct analysis of either of these questions. Feel free to continue to draw your own conclusions that actually have no relevance to any of my posts :whiste:

I didn't even realize it was possible to be this.... dense.

AMDs bread and butter is low-end and mid-range sales, not halo products. AMD only has the revenue to support either their bread and butter, or to risk it for the biscuit and go for high-end and maybe sell 1/10 as many APUs at a better margin (at absolute best).

You seem to not understand a few things.
1. AMD can design a high-end APU easily, they can design a lot of stuff.
2. AMD cannot SELL a high-end APU in addition to their current line of APUs.
3. Given than AMD cannot do both, they must choose which to focus on.
4. High-end APUs are a prospective, low-volume market, more applicable to perhaps a start-up or a niche company. AMD is neither.

Conclusion: Why don't you go on kickstarter, ask people for a few million dollars (maybe a few hundred to be safe), and then go out and try to design your own niche high-end APU. Because that's where it belongs, not in the hands of AMD.

I hope you never become the CEO to any company ever.

 

[AtenRa]

Just for laugh,

HD7870 = 212mm2 at 28nm
That includes 256bit memory controllers. so lets say that with 128bit memory it would be close to 200mm2

Bulldozer module including 2MB L2 cache is close to 32mm2 at 32nm

4 modules x 32mm2 = 128mm2 at 32nm
I will make an assumption that it would be close to 100mm2 at 28nm

Add 20-30mm2 for the northbridge and we have a 4 module(SteamRoller) + HD7870 iGPU at 330mm2 (28nm). Little bigger than Bulldozer/Vishera (315mm2)

AMD could actually sell those for $250-300 today.

The problems,

It will be a 200+W TDP Part. That will require a high-end heat-sink or WaterCooling kit adding to the already high price.

You will need to add 1GB of GDDR-5 for the iGPU, adding more cost

It will eat up sales of your HD7850/70 GPUs

No OEM will want this 200+W TDP monster, it will be a low volume part.

 

[Idontcare]

Apparently the individuals "who have a clue" on these forums also wear blinders.

You are the one wearing the blinders, you have already admitted this.

You do not have the luxury of benefiting from insider knowledge, whereas the people who work in the industry or who are privy to information but bound by NDA's do have that luxury.

Nor do you have the background to understand what all goes into the cost-benefits analyses necessary to make the kinds of decisions that determine whether a company stays afloat or everyone loses their jobs.

Those people have clues and very much do not have blinders on, they not only know what you know you don't know, but they also know of things that you don't even know you don't know about.

Why you feel it necessary to appoint yourself the grand position of being the only one capable of "seeing the light" while casting everyone else in negative fashion as "wearing blinders"?

Very few knowledgeable people are going have the patience to deal with your attitude whilst attempting to assist you in seeing the errors in your logic.

 

[Slomo4shO]

You are the one wearing the blinders, you have already admitted this.

Either I am not eloquently expressing my views or the members of this forum are extremely liberal in their interpretation of my posts.

You do not have the luxury of benefiting from insider knowledge, whereas the people who work in the industry or who are privy to information but bound by NDA's do have that luxury.

This is true, I have no insider knowledge. Unfortunately, I am also unaware of the credentials of any member of these forums so I do continue to ask for the details on which they base the foundations of their arguments. I hope you can see why I struggle to acknowledge the points being made as my scientific background places greater weight on available facts as opposed to hearsay constrained by NDAs.

Nor do you have the background to understand what all goes into the cost-benefits analyses necessary to make the kinds of decisions that determine whether a company stays afloat or everyone loses their jobs.

This is an assumption on your part.

Those people have clues and very much do not have blinders on, they not only know what you know you don't know, but they also know of things that you don't even know you don't know about.

I am sorry to hear that one can be condemned for using public information, without the privilege of having insider information, and drawing conclusions based on that information. I have continued to ask for supporting evidence of the objecting arguments so that I may better understand their perspectives but it appears that I can only take the arguments at face value since any insider information will not be shared.

Why you feel it necessary to appoint yourself the grand position of being the only one capable of "seeing the light" while casting everyone else in negative fashion as "wearing blinders"?

There is much irony in this statement. One could argue that you do have blinders since you completely ignored the context in which the quote was embedded.

The problems,

It will be a 200+W TDP Part. That will require a high-end heat-sink or WaterCooling kit adding to the already high price.

You will need to add 1GB of GDDR-5 for the iGPU, adding more cost

It will eat up sales of your HD7850/70 GPUs

No OEM will want this 200+W TDP monster, it will be a low volume part.

You are correct. These are some of the potential issues. I have expressed what I would like to see in a future product. I look forward to seeing what AMD has in store for the $175-275 CPU market (or whether they leave this niche solely in the hands of Intel).

 

[Sequences123]

I hope you can see why I struggle to acknowledge the points being made as my scientific background places greater weight on available facts as opposed to hearsay constrained by NDAs.

Please do link to proof of where you see a 4+ core APU being (planned for) released by AMD. I'd like to see available facts showing the ROI, and all the facts that you have used to base your arguments from.

 

[Slomo4shO]

Please do link to proof of where you see a 4+ core APU being (planned for) released by AMD. I'd like to see available facts showing the ROI, and all the facts that you have used to base your arguments from.

Please feel free to point out where I suggested either of these or any other facts that you perceive me of utilizing...

The ROI of such project may or may not be worthwhile but concluding something improbable based on current fabrication tech seems a little immature.

There has been no admittance or refutation of what products are down the pipeline other than the fact that the focus is on APU and mobile markets.

I am unsure where I said that the 2/4 core options would need to be scrapped in lieu of 6/8 core APUs. The current generation of APUs all occupy the sub-$150 market. The future generation of 2/4 core will likely continue to occupy this price block. If AMDs intent is to truly shift to APUs as they have suggested, they will want to have something to offer for the >$150 market unless they intend to completely abandon this market.

 

[Sequences123]

There are users on this forum who are very knowledgeable about this kind of stuff because they are from the industry. I'd wager that they know more about this stuff than you do and yet you argue. This makes it seem that you know better, unless, of course, you're just trolling.

Whatever the case, the FX-9590 might as well be a good way for the old AM# sockets to die out - a limited edition collectors item.

 

[Slomo4shO]

There are users on this forum who are very knowledgeable about this kind of stuff because they are from the industry. I'd wager that they know more about this stuff than you do and yet you argue. This makes it seem that you know better, unless, of course, you're just trolling.

Whatever the case, the FX-9590 might as well be a good way for the old AM# sockets to die out - a limited edition collectors item.

You bring forth accusations but when confronted you digress. I know not of any users personal affairs or their insight. However, I have not refuted any claims of knowledge by these individuals but only asked for insight into their conclusions. You, amongst others on these forums, deliberately take my words out of context and judge me solely on assumed ignorance and attempt to project your own views. Condemn me if you must but at the very least read through what I have written thoroughly and and attempt to comprehend the text before passing judgement.

Thanks for the contribution to the discussion.