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Lonbjerg

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That s non sense.

IB was designed for 22nm , otherwise it wouldnt be more
power efficient than SB.

There s no way that a CPU could be half optimized for a given
process since it would not even reach the previous node perfs.

Layout has been deeply reworked to be put in adequation
with trigate fets geometry and electrical caracteristics.


No, you make no sense now.

The layout of transistors are very much ditaced by process node.
Look at GTX480 vs GTX580.

The same goes for CPU's.

Sandy Brigde was designed for 32nm, Ivy brigde was a tweak of Sandy Brigde to 22nm....were as Haswell alswys have been slated for 22nm.

And if you think Intel just now knew the properties of their 22nm Trigate...you are funny.

What the next "excuse" for AMD falling behind?..this "You don't know if Intel's 22nm Haswell will work very good"...it's bori..ZZZzzzZZZZzzzZZZZ...
 

Abwx

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No, you make no sense now.

The layout of transistors are very much ditaced by process node.
Look at GTX480 vs GTX580.

The same goes for CPU's.

Sandy Brigde was designed for 32nm, Ivy brigde was a tweak of Sandy Brigde to 22nm....were as Haswell alswys have been slated for 22nm.
If you knew how to read correctly , you have noticed that
i said that a CPU cant work properly if it is not adequated to
a said node , so IB wouldnt work if they simply did shrink SB.


Sandy Brigde was designed for 32nm, Ivy brigde was a tweak of Sandy Brigde to 22nm....were as Haswell alswys have been slated for 22nm.


Read above...
There s no such think as a twink when a process stand
bigger changes that simple geometric reduction...

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And if you think Intel just now knew the properties of their 22nm Trigate...you are funny.

Still more clueless and of bad faith.


They knew them from the start and had to completely
rework SB layout...

What the next "excuse" for AMD falling behind?..this "You don't know if Intel's 22nm Haswell will work very good"...it's bori..ZZZzzzZZZZzzzZZZZ...

This is just crap from a mentaly deranged half brain..
What AMD has to do with what is discussed in theses lines
explicitely finfets transistors..?..

You obviously know nothing about semiconductor technologies
and are just trolling all the way while being unable to bring
the slightest added value in the subject.
 
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Lonbjerg

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If you knew how to read correctly , you have noticed that
i said that a CPU cant work properly if it is not adequated to
a said node , so IB wouldnt work if they simply did shrink SB.





Read above...
There s no such think as a twink when a process stand
bigger changes that simple geometric reduction...

[

Still more clueless and of bad faith.


They knew them from the start and had to completely
rework SB layout...



This is just crap from a mentaly deranged half brain..
What AMD has to do with what is discussed in theses lines
explicitely finfets transistors..?..

You obviously know nothing about semiconductor technologies
and are just trolling all the way while being unable to bring
the slightest added value in the subject.

Lets return after Haswaell launches, Im' bookmarning thi posts...will be funny, with hard data...not fuzzy-warm feelings
 

moonbogg

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Another one? Damn, I love a good aMd bashing but its getting old even for the likes of me.
 

dma0991

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And if you think Intel just now knew the properties of their 22nm Trigate...you are funny.
These things don't get made overnight. I'm pretty sure Intel has a working prototype that is production worthy. Fine tuning is all that is left to be done if the launch is slated 1 year from now.

Another one? Damn, I love a good aMd bashing but its getting old even for the likes of me.
AMD wouldn't be receiving this much flak if it had a competitive product. This isn't an AMD bashing thread. Go make your own if you feel like bashing.
 

Lonbjerg

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These things don't get made overnight. I'm pretty sure Intel has a working prototype that is production worthy. Fine tuning is all that is left to be done if the launch is slated 1 year from now.


AMD wouldn't be receiving this much flak if it had a competitive product. This isn't an AMD bashing thread. Go make your own if you feel like bashing.

AMD wouldn't recieve this much flak if it wasn't for the "IPC will increase!!!! lie spewed on several forums by an official AMD-rep...
 

Abwx

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AMD wouldn't recieve this much flak if it wasn't for the "IPC will increase!!!! lie spewed on several forums by an official AMD-rep...

You should ask Mooly Eden about false claims and even public
cheating faking GPUs good perfs when launching their HD4000...

I dont recall you being so critical...:biggrin:
 

dma0991

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AMD wouldn't recieve this much flak if it wasn't for the "IPC will increase!!!! lie spewed on several forums by an official AMD-rep...
When that happened it got my hopes up to a point where I was this close to getting myself a BD rig, then the reviews came out. :| Can't put all the blame on him though, just doing his job I guess.
 

moonbogg

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AMD wouldn't be receiving this much flak if it had a competitive product. This isn't an AMD bashing thread. Go make your own if you feel like bashing.


Seems I struck a nerve. It had to suck when you got your heart broken by aMd when you realized they would never achieve that comeback you were hoping for with BD.
 

sefsefsefsef

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From a VLSI perspective, when designing a chip on a new process node, there are a few things you have to do:

1. Redesign all your standard gates for the new process node (each node shrink has slightly different rules about the spacing of wires, silicon, and vias for the various silicon/metal layers), and make sure these work and are as fast as you expect.
2. Redesign all your by-hand-laid-out components like cache cells/lines, buffers, and other regular structures for the new node's rules, and make sure these all work at the speed you expect.
3. Synthesize all of the components that need to be synthesized, and see if it works at the speed you expect. If it doesn't, change the input parameters to the synthesis until it does.
4. Put everything together into one die, including the clock tree, and see if this all works together at the speed you expect. If it doesn't, back up to the step where you screwed up and try again.

Given all that, it doesn't really matter *that much* from a VLSI transistor/wire layout perspective whether you're using an old or new design on a new process node. An old design is slightly better because all of the engineers are more comfortable with what the expected/ideal behavior is going to be, but both old and new designs need to jump through all the same hoops to reach a final design.
 

dma0991

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Seems I struck a nerve. It had to suck when you got your heart broken by aMd when you realized they would never achieve that comeback you were hoping for with BD.
Heartbroken for a product which I would have to pay with my hard earned money? I'm not even their shareholder, there is nothing to be heartbroken about.

If AMD has any effect on me it would only be on the recommendations that I make. It used to be AMD or Intel, now all I see is this Intel or that Intel which I won't deny because the better product out there is coming from Intel. If AMD has a competitive product that is worthy, let it be heard.
 

Phynaz

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You should ask Mooly Eden about false claims and even public
cheating faking GPUs good perfs when launching their HD4000...

I dont recall you being so critical...:biggrin:


Please do tell...
 

Abwx

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Please do tell...

I thought you were more or less informed about all that
is Intel related...

Anyway , the poster above did kindly brought a link
about this funny experience.

Kudos to Mooly , anyway , for his improvisation when
the things started to get out of (his) control...
 

Lonbjerg

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I thought you were more or less informed about all that
is Intel related...

Anyway , the poster above did kindly brought a link
about this funny experience.

Kudos to Mooly , anyway , for his improvisation when
the things started to get out of (his) control...

Let me recounter:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5359/intel-confirms-working-dx11-on-ivy-bridge
Can you drag anymore dead horse out in defence of AMD and their lackluster CPU's...or shall halftruths be your path?

To quote Anand:

Case closed.
 

Abwx

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Now you are just being intellectual dishonest :thumbsdown:

Rather than aknowledging Intel dishonnesty and Anand s
embarrassement in reapeting their explanations you re
instead branding me dishonnest..

Talk of fanboism..

If Mooly was honnest , why did he fake playing the game ?

And why , once VLC menu s appears on the screen did he
stopped "playing " , claiming that it s controlled from
the backstage. ?..

Couldnt he tell us from the start that it wasnt him playing ?...

Of course not , since he didnt thought that all this masquerade
would end so badly...

Anyway , i m not interested at all keeping discussing
about those kind of mediocrity , including your fanboism.

Case closed , and for good...
 

Lonbjerg

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Rather than aknowledging Intel dishonnesty and Anand s
embarrassement in reapeting their explanations you re
instead branding me dishonnest..

Talk of fanboism..

If Mooly was honnest , why did he fake playing the game ?

And why , once VLC menu s appears on the screen did he
stopped "playing " , claiming that it s controlled from
the backstage. ?..

Couldnt he tell us from the start that it wasnt him playing ?...

Of course not , since he didnt thought that all this masquerade
would end so badly...

Anyway , i m not interested at all keeping discussing
about those kind of mediocrity , including your fanboism.

Case closed , and for good...

More intellectual dishonesty from you...:thumbsdown:
 

Lonbjerg

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That is all AMD fans have had since 2006. :biggrin:

Nah they also had these 2 false mantras:

"IPC will be higher"
"Moar cores!!!"

Not that helped either.

No it seems all they have left are IGP's...the migdets MMA fight
 

Abwx

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The Intel fan clubbers congratulating themselves of all the thrash
they are spreading in any AMD related thread and coming over
and over with their bad faith and continual hate...

[I love you] , if the topic doesnt please you , go open your own
but i suppose that you re both too mediocre to give rise to any
usefull dicussion , only spreading your junk with not even the
slightest entertaining value..

At this point I shouldn't need to remind someone with a thousand-plus posts that we don't allow profanity or personal attacks. Be better than this, Abwx
-ViRGE
 
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Lonbjerg

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The Intel fan clubbers congratulating themselves of all the thrash
they are spreading in any AMD related thread and coming over
and over with their bad faith and continual hate...

Fuck you , if the topic doesnt please you , go open your own
but i suppose that you re both too mediocre to give rise to any
usefull dicussion , only spreading your junk with not even the
slightest entertaining value..

The moment IGP's become an interest (or even matter) to me, I'll let you know :biggrin:

Untill then, you just keep posting how "next time" AMD will do better...
 

Phynaz

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The Intel fan clubbers congratulating themselves of all the thrash
they are spreading in any AMD related thread and coming over
and over with their bad faith and continual hate...

**** *** , if the topic doesnt please you , go open your own
but i suppose that you re both too mediocre to give rise to any
usefull dicussion , only spreading your junk with not even the
slightest entertaining value..

You sure have a way with words. Has this approach worked in getting somebody to see your viewpoint in the past?
 
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