[VR-Zone] NVidia GTX-590 *FINAL* Specs Revealed!

[tviceman]

Ad hominem

If you disagree with a point I've made or wish to offer a differing viewpoint, please do so. Belittling my character in an attempt to refute my viewpoint is not an appropriate form of discourse and does not lead to a productive discussion.

My point was that you more often than not have a very negative posting attitude towards Nvidia and their products. Nvidia could have better cherry picked games that favor their hardware, thus showing substantially better results than the slide we're seeing, and you still could have said exactly the same thing:

"If these are the top 7 best benchmarks they could put forward, yikes. They must be the only situations where this card tops the 6990 if it's only slightly faster than the GTX 580 like these tests show."

and still ended it with the eye roll emoticon. I don't hide the fact that I prefer Nvidia's more aggressive approach to developer relations, innovation, and use of features but I don't regularly bash or attack AMD for the many things I think they do wrong or are behind in.

That was my point. My original post was crass, I apologize, I am done with this subtopic and will now stay on the thread's topic.

 

[MentalIlness]

since AMD doesn't honor the 6990 warranty if you flip the switch and go for a little extra speed.

Isn't XFX honoring the warranty for "flipping the switch" now ? Just hope other companies follows them.

 

[Elfear]

Isn't XFX honoring the warranty for "flipping the switch" now ? Just hope other companies follows them.

Sounds like at least two other AIBs besides XFX are stepping up to cover overclocking. I'll have to find the post over at XS since I can't remember which AIBs it was.

 

[Idontcare]

IIRC, each 12V wire is rated for 75W, and there's three per connector, so technically each connector is good for 225W. So the board is geared for 75W (PCIe slot) + 225W + 225W power consumption = 525W total power consumption. However, it's important to note here that this is an actual hardware limitation, and extreme overclocks, which will definitely pull more than that, will actually be dangerous. The fact that a "factory" overclocked 6990 (via AUSUM BIOS) consumes ~440W does not leave a lot of headroom.

Yeah, I see where this is going...the last thing AMD or the AIB's would want is for some dude to over-clock his GPU to the point that it causes a housefire.

The potential for loss of life as well as property loss (not that the businesses would be liable, but still no one at any company wants people to be miserable or dead because of their product) is considerable in the context of a video-card's power-supply wiring catching fire.

That's prolly why they spec them for only 150W each, giving 75W headroom to safeguard against OC'ers and the prospects of a batch of sub-standard wires and connectors making it through the supply chain and into consumer products.

Thanks for taking the time to educate me and make me just a skosh less ignorant on the topic. :thumbsup: I hope it helped others with the same question as well.

 

[MrK6]

From those gigabyte slides, I think the 590 will be slower than the 6990, in the 2560x resolutions or higher, which is probably what your gameing at if you buy a card like the 6990 or the 590.

I think it ll use as much or more power (from looking at 6970 vs 580).... I think it ll be more expensive too (going by 580 prices x2 vs 6970 x2 prices).

So the main questions left are? does it have lower temps? does it make less noise?

I agree that your predictions seem likely. I think less noise, at least at load, is a guarantee. Temps might be lower too, although that'll be dependent on what type of heatsinks they have under the shroud.

My point was that you more often than not have a very negative posting attitude towards Nvidia and their products.

NVIDIA has released some pretty mediocre to downright awful cards in the last two years, the GTX 460 being an exception. My opinion, doesn't mean it's fact.

Nvidia could have better cherry picked games that favor their hardware, thus showing substantially better results than the slide we're seeing, and you still could have said exactly the same thing:

What makes you think they didn't? We'll only know that after we see full reviews with full suites of various titles. Typically, marketing presentations put their best foot forward, that's how one sells products. I think they did by running everything at 1920x1200 and with tons of AA. Those are two things NVIDIA's Fermi-based cards have done well - high FPS at lower resolutions and tons of standard AA. Are you arguing that they're trying to market the card by showing its mediocrity?

"If these are the top 7 best benchmarks they could put forward, yikes. They must be the only situations where this card tops the 6990 if it's only slightly faster than the GTX 580 like these tests show."

and still ended it with the eye roll emoticon.

If it was just as true it would be just as appropriate. Don't skirt issues by setting up hypothetical situations, just state your point. In the slides presented, they're brandishing their "flagship" card with results that show it being anywhere from 11.3% to 51.5% faster than their fastest single GPU solution, which isn't impressive considering the price it seems they will be charging. They're also not showing impressive gaming situations - every game in that test is at least a year old, and some more than three (IIRC). Who's going to buy this card to get 100's of FPS in Devil May Cry 4? Where's Metro 2033? How come they didn't add AA in Crysis: Warhead? The only consistency in the entire presented suite is that the GTX590 bests the 6990 almost every time. That doesn't seem odd at all to you?

I don't hide the fact that I prefer Nvidia's more aggressive approach to developer relations, innovation, and use of features but I don't regularly bash or attack AMD for the many things I think they do wrong or are behind in.

And I wouldn't mind it a bit if you did and you had a legitimate point. Despite what others believe I'm vendor neutral and call it like it is. I'll be the first to say I'd never run a 6990 unless it was on water - that cooler is an incredible engineering failure. I realize these companies are extremely constrained due to the 40nm process, but that doesn't twist my arm into buying subpar products. :thumbsup:

Isn't XFX honoring the warranty for "flipping the switch" now ? Just hope other companies follows them.

Gigabyte, and maybe ASUS although I'm not sure, generally doesn't care what happens to the cards for RMA as long there's no physical alterations or damage. I think AMD might say it doesn't warranty running with the second BIOS because it runs out of PCIe specs, and that might open up a (legal) can of worms that they'd rather not deal with. That said, you won't get an RMA by saying the card doesn't run in AUSUM mode.

 

[Idontcare]

Ad hominem

If you disagree with a point I've made or wish to offer a differing viewpoint, please do so. Belittling my character in an attempt to refute my viewpoint is not an appropriate form of discourse and does not lead to a productive discussion.

IDC, if this was an inappropriate response, please let me know. However, I'm posting it publicly as an example as to what I'd like to see evolve on this forum (and we're getting there!).

Exactly, time will tell. :thumbsup:

This is correct, ad hominem it was and ad hominem is not a productive means of fostering discussion. (in fact it is inflammatory and disrespectful)

And while I can fully appreciate the desire, and on occasion the necessity, to defend oneself against an ad hominem attack, we (community and mods alike) all need such rebuttals - when posted in public - to be tempered as much as possible to avoid escalation of an already precariously volatile situation.

That's not to say we expect people to just "sit there and take it"...but we don't want to see outsized responses either.

I think that is clear enough, I want people to feel free to pm me though if they are seeking further clarification on the matter. It is important for everyone in the community that we all work together on this.

thanks for your attention,
Idontcare
Super Moderator

 

[Zanovar]

Where do you think there's guessing? It's all in the PCI-SIG documents, go read them if you're not sure.
Like I said though, it's not going to happen. Power delivery is a very real problem with this card, especially when considering overclocking. You can't just slap on better cooling and think that will solve everything, or just will it into being faster. 525W is the hard limit and pushed past that you risk permanent damage to components, not just your card but your entire system if the PSU takes it out. Or the entire thing dies in a giant conflagration .
Yeah, it was ridiculous. However, it's obviously a great business model as they're still a popular tech website. It's amazing what people will watch and listen to because they're too lazy to do the research themselves. I guess that validates the existence of most news channels, but I digress .

This was posted over at [H]. All I can say is "OUCH":

If these are the top 7 best benchmarks they could put forward, yikes. They must be the only situations where this card tops the 6990 if it's only slightly faster than the GTX 580 like these tests show. At 1920x1200, no less

rofl,ive read them.as i said you are guessing lots

 

[SHAQ]

Wasn't this supposed to launch today?

 

[MentalIlness]

Wasn't this supposed to launch today?

Postponed till the 24th "additional 48 hours" for reviewers to finish reviews / drivers I heard.

 

[Grooveriding]

Postponed till the 24th "additional 48 hours" for reviewers to finish reviews / drivers I heard.

I have a ten spot on nv wanting to have reviewers bench the card using Crysis 2

Actually probably not. Running Crysis 2 is not exactly the feat that running Crysis 1 was, the game is a lot less demanding on hardware. Metro 2033 and Crysis 1 will continue to be the most intensive benches around.

 

[MentalIlness]

I have a ten spot on nv wanting to have reviewers bench the card using Crysis 2

Actually probably not. Running Crysis 2 is not exactly the feat that running Crysis 1 was, the game is a lot less demanding on hardware. Metro 2033 and Crysis 1 will continue to be the most intensive benches around.

LOL, yep. In a few years when Crysis 3 is released, by then we will have 8990 GPU's and still saying, but can it run Crysis.

 

[toyota]

Wasn't this supposed to launch today?

March 24th at 6 AM Pacific time

 

[Rubycon]

Starting a fire is rather a stretch for overclocked components.

HOWEVER I do believe large power supplies with a single rail (AX1200 for example) could present a fire hazard since OCP would be stratospheric compared to a single conductor used if there happened to be a fault. Heck I've seen flames erupt from a HDD PCB when a system was turned on that had been spiked previously.

 

[MrK6]

rofl,ive read them.as i said you are guessing lots

This is the second time you've said this without pointing out where, how, or why you think I'm "guessing," nor have you linked to any other information sources that showed otherwise. Where are they?

Starting a fire is rather a stretch for overclocked components.

HOWEVER I do believe large power supplies with a single rail (AX1200 for example) could present a fire hazard since OCP would be stratospheric compared to a single conductor used if there happened to be a fault. Heck I've seen flames erupt from a HDD PCB when a system was turned on that had been spiked previously.

I agree, the PSU would be the target in this setup. I'm thinking along the lines of the wear and tear degrading the system to the point where it's a simple push off a cliff/straw that broke the camel's back/etc. via a cap blowing, etc. I just know I wouldn't feel safe overclocking the snot out of a 6990, especially in the long term.

 

[SolMiester]

My point was that you more often than not have a very negative posting attitude towards Nvidia and their products. Nvidia could have better cherry picked games that favor their hardware, thus showing substantially better results than the slide we're seeing, and you still could have said exactly the same thing:

"If these are the top 7 best benchmarks they could put forward, yikes. They must be the only situations where this card tops the 6990 if it's only slightly faster than the GTX 580 like these tests show."

and still ended it with the eye roll emoticon. I don't hide the fact that I prefer Nvidia's more aggressive approach to developer relations, innovation, and use of features but I don't regularly bash or attack AMD for the many things I think they do wrong or are behind in.

That was my point. My original post was crass, I apologize, I am done with this subtopic and will now stay on the thread's topic.

I have to concur with you there!...well said!

 

[Rubycon]

This is the second time you've said this without pointing out where, how, or why you think I'm "guessing," nor have you linked to any other information sources that showed otherwise. Where are they?
I agree, the PSU would be the target in this setup. I'm thinking along the lines of the wear and tear degrading the system to the point where it's a simple push off a cliff/straw that broke the camel's back/etc. via a cap blowing, etc. I just know I wouldn't feel safe overclocking the snot out of a 6990, especially in the long term.

Can the (stock) thermal solution on the 6990 handle full load (max stress) continuously? Somehow I don't think it can and ultimately to keep both GPUs in SOA throttling would be required.

A full cover waterblock cooling key components OTOH should allow significant overclocking without said issues.

 

[Elfear]

Metro 2033 and Crysis 1 will continue to be the most intensive benches around.

I'd throw Stalker: COP and Arma 2 in there as well. Hopefully they get used in the upcoming reviews.

 

[Kenmitch]

Can the (stock) thermal solution on the 6990 handle full load (max stress) continuously? Somehow I don't think it can and ultimately to keep both GPUs in SOA throttling would be required. A full cover waterblock cooling key components OTOH should allow significant overclocking without said issues

Seems like the 6990's full water blocks are ready to hit the market. Read that EK plans to release a single-slot PCI bracket also.

Would be nice to see these two cards go toe to toe under water!

 

[Mopetar]

The potential for loss of life as well as property loss (not that the businesses would be liable, but still no one at any company wants people to be miserable or dead because of their product) is considerable in the context of a video-card's power-supply wiring catching fire.

Psh— I'm pretty sure there's a sizable market to be had advertising a card so powerful it could kill you and burn down a city block, a card so extreme that the power coursing through it will erode the components which comprise it, a card so dangerous that it's been banned in 47 states!

The only way it could get better is if it runs on crude oil and the souls of the damned.

 

[Idontcare]

Psh— I'm pretty sure there's a sizable market to be had advertising a card so powerful it could kill you and burn down a city block, a card so extreme that the power coursing through it will erode the components which comprise it, a card so dangerous that it's been banned in 47 states!

The only way it could get better is if it runs on crude oil and the souls of the damned.

Lol! And the retail package comes complete with your very own baby seal and one over-sized billy club...

Although that would be pretty bitchen to actually have a small built-in kerosene lamp in your vid-card just because.

 

[notty22]

The Asus Ares used a center fan, but it used a bigger triple slot heat pipe HS. And it costs over 900 dollars. So the 6990 and 590 are both more elegant faster options. Progress FTW !
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...388&Tpk=5870x2

 

[Tempered81]

http://we.pcinlife.com/forum-viewthread-tid-1629279-extra-page%3D1&orderby=dateline.html

 

[ronnn]

Not like nvidia to be late to the party. Wonder what the holdup is?

 

[dust]

http://we.pcinlife.com/forum-viewthread-tid-1629279-extra-page=1&orderby=dateline.html

If you are going to get another 75 of those, please,please,please feel free to send one my way

 

[Ilias]

http://we.pcinlife.com/forum-viewthread-tid-1629279-extra-page=1&orderby=dateline.html

Lol please do send a box of those my way too