[vrzone] GTX670Ti in March

[Crap Daddy]

Since it's been quiet over the weekend here's another rumor:

http://vr-zone.com/articles/report-nvidia-gk104-releasing-in-march-as-geforce-gtx-670-ti/14952.html

 

[sontin]

And here is a second independent source with the same timeframe:
http://en.expreview.com/2012/02/20/nvidia-kepler-rumored-to-debut-in-mid-march/21229.html

 

[thilanliyan]

Names shouldn't really matter but if this has performance near a GTX580 for cheaper then good on them.

 

[lavaheadache]

ibtd

in before the drama.

Nice to see something that appears to have some validity.

I wonder how this news fits into the "honesty, we expected more from our competitors new architecture" comment

 

[toyota]

Names shouldn't really matter but if this has performance near a GTX580 for cheaper then good on them.

why does everybody think that is some kind of accomplishment? a gtx570 is already within 15-20% of a gtx580 so a next gen gtx670 being only near a gtx580 would be a joke.

I guess this is what happens when AMD sets the bar fairly low for a next card and then charges way more than the previous gen. we will now be paying nearly high end prices for what would have been mid range gpus.

 

[Vesku]

If the GTX580 is floating close to $400 by the end of February then I'd say a late March launch of a Kepler card is very likely.

Also, if the specs are mostly correct it will be interesting to see if NVIDIA's and AMD's architectures will be closer comparison-wise (shader counts to performance and the like) then they've been since the GeForce 8800 launched.

Edit: If the 670 performs around the 580 , 7950 level (maybe +5%ish) and comes in priced about $20 over 7950 msrp; I would think the price fixing concerns would start to have validation.

 

[thilanliyan]

why does everybody think that is some kind of accomplishment? a gtx570 is already within 15-20% of a gtx580 so a next gen gtx670 being only near a gtx580 would be a joke.

Sorry I meant to mention the price as well. If the price is also good then it IS an accomplishment.

 

[toyota]

Sorry I meant to mention the price as well. If the price is also good then it IS an accomplishment.

well even if only matches the current gtx580 but fills in the gtx570 price slot which is 350 bucks then I dont think that is much of an accomplishment at all. and if it cost more than the current gtx570 while only matching or barely beating the gtx580 then that is a complete failure imo.

 

[exar333]

well even if only matches the current gtx580 but fills in the gtx570 price slot which is 350 bucks then I dont think that is much of an accomplishment at all. and if it cost more than the current gtx570 while only matching or barely beating the gtx580 then that is a complete failure imo.

Folks here love marginal improvement now, so everyone should be pleased.

 

[-Slacker-]

why does everybody think that is some kind of accomplishment? a gtx570 is already within 15-20% of a gtx580 so a next gen gtx670 being only near a gtx580 would be a joke.

Seems like nv is moving their nomenclature up a digit like AMD did with northern islands ... which would mean the gtx 670 is the successor of the gtx 560ti, not the gtx 570, and their top end gpu will be named the gtx 690.

I guess this is what happens when AMD sets the bar fairly low for a next card and then charges way more than the previous gen. we will now be paying nearly high end prices for what would have been mid range gpus.

Well, not many people were complaining when nvidia priced fermi and then it's refresh at $500 and the gtx 280 at $650...

 

[Ieat]

I would be satisfied if this card was sold at $350 and performed like a gtx 580 with 2gb of vram. The bar has been set so low at this point any increase in performance for the same amount of money as last gen is now a win.

 

[slackingoff7]

I would be satisfied if this card was sold at $350 and performed like a gtx 580 with 2gb of vram. The bar has been set so low at this point any increase in performance for the same amount of money as last gen is now a win.

I would have to agree in this case. Although the market isn't all about gaming, there isn't much need for much higher performing GPUs without an increase in typical resolution (try to find a monitor over 1920 by xxxx under $400) or much more graphics intensive games. Secondly, this is Nvidia's midrange Kepler part. That means they expect and easy 30% on top of GK104 with the GK110 if past generations of graphics cards has any indication on Kepler.

I just wish TSMC can sort out all their issues with the high metal process in 28 nm and for Nvidia to work a little more closely with TSMC to engineer and prepare a high yielding product.

Only thing is I do believe that the GK104 should be comparable to the HD7970 considering much of the speculation. Also, Nvidia's usage of the high performance process rather than AMD's low performance process should make the GK104 strong if the architectures are similar in strength per die mm^2.

 

[sontin]

I would have to agree in this case. Although the market isn't all about gaming, there isn't much need for much higher performing GPUs without an increase in typical resolution (try to find a monitor over 1920 by xxxx under $400) or much more graphics intensive games. Secondly, this is Nvidia's midrange Kepler part. That means they expect and easy 30% on top of GK104 with the GK110 if past generations of graphics cards has any indication on Kepler.

If there is no need than they will create one.

 

[tviceman]

well even if only matches the current gtx580 but fills in the gtx570 price slot which is 350 bucks then I dont think that is much of an accomplishment at all. and if it cost more than the current gtx570 while only matching or barely beating the gtx580 then that is a complete failure imo.

At the pricing AMD has shown thus far, > gtx580 performance for gtx570 prices is a step in the right direction. This particular rumor not only says it's faster than the gtx580, but also the hd7950. So $350 for something better than AMD's $450 product? Again, better than the foot AMD has put forth thus far.

 

[toyota]

I paid $260 for this gtx570 and the way things look now it will be at least 4 years before I can get anywhere near doubling that performance for the same amount of money. heck even at $350 that could be true. we seem to be waiting longer and longer between true next gen cards yet performance is not going up like it used to when the cycles were shorter.

 

[Crap Daddy]

Where did you bought that with $260?

 

[toyota]

Where did you bought that with $260?

newegg. it was $310 and had a $50 MIR making it $260. it also came with Batman AC. I guess I got lucky since I have not seen a better gtx570 deal since then. but again even at typical MSRP of 350 bucks it might be 4 years before we can double that performance for the same amount of money.

 

[Leadbox]

I paid $260 for this gtx570 and the way things look now it will be at least 4 years before I can get anywhere near doubling that performance for the same amount of money. heck even at $350 that could be true. we seem to be waiting longer and longer between true next gen cards yet performance is not going up like it used to when the cycles were shorter.

What they need to add to give you the performance you seek, is simply not worth the cost in die space,power consumption and thermals. So unless they start developing a strictly gaming GPU and a separate GPGPU, you gonna have to make do with the odd 20-25% increases..........I think...

 

[DeeJayeS]

... a next gen gtx670 being only near a gtx580 would be a joke.

I guess this is what happens when AMD ....

I see what you did there.

 

[dangerman1337]

we seem to be waiting longer and longer between true next gen cards yet performance is not going up like it used to when the cycles were shorter.

That's what I'm thinking and I won't be surprised if this happens:

20nm GPUs; Q2-Q3 2014: 20nm GPUs.

14nm GPUs; Late Q4 2016-Q1 2017 14nm GPUs.

It's going to get harder and harder from now on IMO, unless IDC can share us some knowledge suggesting otherwise.

 

[blackened23]

why does everybody think that is some kind of accomplishment? a gtx570 is already within 15-20% of a gtx580 so a next gen gtx670 being only near a gtx580 would be a joke.

I guess this is what happens when AMD sets the bar fairly low for a next card and then charges way more than the previous gen. we will now be paying nearly high end prices for what would have been mid range gpus.

You mean set the bar low, like oh lets see, GTX 480 499$ for 10% performance over the 5870 while generating 2x more power and heat? Like that?

Now its suddenly *amd's* fault that NV can't get their stuff out on time. Wonderful. I'm not trying to slight nvidia here, but blaming AMD for NV's failure is ridiculous. (disclaimer: no, we don't know if these rumors are true) Stop shifting the blame, NV are likely late to the game just like the last go around. The blame lies solely with them and its somewhat ironic that so many people consider nvidia infallible.

If NV puts their money where their mouth is and blows the 7970 away, trust me, i'll be all about it. I'll buy 2 of those suckers on day 1 and enjoy it. But blaming AMD for NV's prices and lateness? Come on dude.

 

[Grooveriding]

So this card will cost $300 and be faster than a 7970, right ? ()

 

[Keysplayr]

You mean set the bar low, like oh lets see, GTX 480 499$ for 10% performance over the 5870 while generating 2x more power and heat? Like that?

Now its suddenly *amd's* fault that NV can't get their stuff out on time. Wonderful. I'm not trying to slight nvidia here, but blaming AMD for NV's failure is ridiculous. (disclaimer: no, we don't know if these rumors are true) Stop shifting the blame, NV are likely late to the game just like the last go around. The blame lies solely with them and its somewhat ironic that so many people consider nvidia infallible.

Wow, I guess there is no convincing you that Kepler isn't late just because Tahiti launched. Is this a hard concept to wrap your mind around? Or is it something else that I'm missing?

 

[tincart]

Also, Nvidia's usage of the high performance process rather than AMD's low performance process should make the GK104 strong if the architectures are similar in strength per die mm^2.

Is this true? I recall reading that, contrary to some rumors, AMD was using the high performance 28nm process just like NV.

 

[Keysplayr]

So this card will cost $300 and be faster than a 7970, right ? ()

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