Vulcan Delayed

[Phynaz]

the group says it's still receiving implementation feedback and that a legal review needs to be completed.

http://techreport.com/news/29474/khronos-group-delays-vulkan-1-0-release

 

[RussianSensation]

Not surprised considering how many PC games get delayed by 6-12 months, or even longer. MS's own DX12 has been announced in March of 2014 and thus far we have seen no DX12 games. Even the early DX12 games such as Fable Legends and Deus Ex MD are being delayed by 6+ months.

So many projects get delayed nowadays.
- Mirror's Edge was delayed by 7 months as of late October 2015
- The Division was in development since 2012....
- Star Citizen...might see it in 2017?

At least it's good to see they are at least working on it. It will be a long time I bet before we see next gen Vulkan games.

 

[dacostafilipe]

It will be a long time I bet before we see next gen Vulkan games.

Intel/AMD/nVidia should have drivers on day one and if that's the case I could see Valve announce Dota2 Vulkan support on day one too.

Could we see a Vulkan game released before a DX12 Game?

 

[Snafuh]

Could we see a Vulkan game released before a DX12 Game?

As far as I know DX12 is a lot closer to DX11 than Vulcan to OpenGL. So learning to use DX12 is easy for someone with knowledge about DX11. It will take some time until we see the first Vulcan title (maybe Valve ports Dota to Vulcan). DX12 is already available in the Unreal Engine 4.
I think we will see more OpenGL and OpenGL Es games than Vulcan games in 2016. Writing a simple engine for a 2D game is no big deal even for a very small dev team but learning to use Vulcan and writing a engine with it won't be practical in near future.

 

[NTMBK]

Intel/AMD/nVidia should have drivers on day one and if that's the case I could see Valve announce Dota2 Vulkan support on day one too.

Could we see a Vulkan game released before a DX12 Game?

No. We haven't even gotten our hands on a Vulkan tech demo yet, while DX12 games are deep in development.

 

[dacostafilipe]

No. We haven't even gotten our hands on a Vulkan tech demo yet, while DX12 games are deep in development.

You are probably right.

But it would be funny if it was the case no?

 

[Leadbox]

So... the current president of the Khronos group is a nvidia employee.
Make of that what you will, I smell a rat...

 

[96Firebird]

I smell a rat...

If you smell it, it is probably already dead. If you can't find it, it probably died in the walls and will eventually stop smelling. This is why rat poison is a bad idea compared to traps. Or get yourself a cat, but that would be a last ditch effort for me. Not a fan of cats.

:awe:

What was the original release date for Vulkan?

 

[tential]

Since it was something that amd was supposedly going to have an advantage in. I was expecting a delay. Sad, but true.

 

[Noctifer616]

What was the original release date for Vulkan?

End of the year.

 

[Snafuh]

Since it was something that amd was supposedly going to have an advantage in. I was expecting a delay. Sad, but true.

He is president for 14 years and leads the OpenCL group. If you believe in some kind of conspiracy OpenCL should be dead but it's in full development.
The Khronos group is not known for delivering on time. That's the issue of a consortium with more than 120 members.

 

[railven]

Since it was something that amd was supposedly going to have an advantage in. I was expecting a delay. Sad, but true.

He is president for 14 years and leads the OpenCL group. If you believe in some kind of conspiracy OpenCL should be dead but it's in full development.
The Khronos group is not known for delivering on time. That's the issue of a consortium with more than 120 members.

I had a chuckle at his comment. It has more to do with AMD being incompetent than Nvidia money hatting.

 

[Headfoot]

Lol. Yeah, its delayed because of AMD, not because it's a massive consortium of huge technology leading companies with diverging agendas and interests that have to be unified.

 

[railven]

Man people really get touchy. Perhaps I used the wrong word. How about, AMD gets the short end of the stick (remember it's never AMD"s fault they're losing!).

 

[TheELF]

Lol. Yeah, its delayed because of AMD, not because it's a massive consortium of huge technology leading companies with diverging agendas and interests that have to be unified.

Well if it is so closely based on mantle then yes it is AMD's fault, they could have developed Vulkan on their own by now,the main work (mantle) is several years old by now,they should have enough experience on the matter,but why do something if you can get someone else to do it for you...
Microsoft developed Dx12 all on their own and it shipped with windows 10 many months ago.

 

[Headfoot]

Wow, the amount of cluelessness is staggering. Go ahead and try and coordinate dozens of major (multi-billion dollar) enterprises and see how fast that goes. Just stop. The article literally calls out legal review as an issue. It's bureaucracy, which moves slow. Protip: coordinating multi billion dollar enterprises is done by people who make many hundreds of dollars an hour in consulting fees. It's complicated. But of course forum goers with no perspective on the real world smash all this detail into a teeny-tiny box of "amd vs. nvidia" Every. Single. Time.

Just consider, PERHAPS, that this has nothing to do with the ever-favorite "AMD VS NVIDIA VS INTEL" garbage and has everything to do with how extraordinarily complex the business and technology concerns are in designing a low level graphics API that meets as many needs in the entire world (the target market) as possible. Because designing an cutting edge API to be consumed by everyone in the entire graphics and low level computing industry, with all of them having a right to provide commentary and input, is easy and fast.

 

[railven]

Wow, the amount of cluelessness is staggering. Go ahead and try and coordinate dozens of major (multi-billion dollar) enterprises and see how fast that goes. Just stop. The article literally calls out legal review as an issue. It's bureaucracy, which moves slow. Protip: coordinating multi billion dollar enterprises is done by people who make many hundreds of dollars an hour in consulting fees. It's complicated. But of course forum goers with no perspective on the real world smash all this detail into a teeny-tiny box of "amd vs. nvidia" Every. Single. Time.

Just consider, PERHAPS, that this has nothing to do with the ever-favorite "AMD VS NVIDIA VS INTEL" garbage and has everything to do with how extraordinarily complex the business and technology concerns are in designing a low level graphics API that meets as many needs in the entire world (the target market) as possible. Because designing an cutting edge API to be consumed by everyone in the entire graphics and low level computing industry, with all of them having a right to provide commentary and input, is easy and fast.

Woof. Such anger. The reason I laughed at this comment was I interpretted as "this was suppose to benefit AMD, of course it's delayed." Simple as that. Not even AMD's fault, but more so AMD has bad luck.

Oh well.

 

[Headfoot]

Woof. Such anger. The reason I laughed at this comment was I interpretted as "this was suppose to benefit AMD, of course it's delayed." Simple as that. Not even AMD's fault, but more so AMD has bad luck.

Oh well.

Post wasn't directed to you broski

 

[MagickMan]

I had a chuckle at his comment. It has more to do with AMD being incompetent than Nvidia money hatting.

More to do with AMD being too broke to pay developers to work on it, you mean.

 

[tential]

Woof. Such anger. The reason I laughed at this comment was I interpretted as "this was suppose to benefit AMD, of course it's delayed." Simple as that. Not even AMD's fault, but more so AMD has bad luck.

Oh well.

Yup that's exactly what I mean.

When it comes to AMD, I'm expecting to wait at this point. "Coming in a couple months" Ok, I'll give it awhile!

The DP to HDMI2.0 converter cable? Just wait guys! It'll be here soon this is a minor isssue!
Fury X voltage unlocking?
etc. etc. etc.

If it benefits AMD, I'm just expecting a delay, so no surprise here to see a delay.

More to do with AMD being too broke to pay developers to work on it, you mean.

Could be this as well. Either way, I'm just, I'm just not expecting AMD to be on time with things. Gemini X2... ya... that's delayed so far that it won't be relevant. Sure, AMD fans will say "It's the fastest chip it'll sell!" or whatever excuse they want to make. But the truth is, you can't be stupidly late to market and be successful.

 

[dark zero]

Seems that going multiplatform takes longer time than expecting, since it doesn't only go for x86, but also ARM and even MIPS.

Lol. Yeah, its delayed because of AMD, not because it's a massive consortium of huge technology leading companies with diverging agendas and interests that have to be unified.

DX 12 has some basis on Mantle and they did on time.
So AMD is not ONLY the problem.
Maybe going multiplatform (Linux, Android and even others OS) and multiuarch (x86, ARM, MIPS) will take longer time than expecting.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Go ahead and try and coordinate dozens of major (multi-billion dollar) enterprises and see how fast that goes. Just stop.

-There were a number of threads/posts on here recently arguing the topic of "AMD/Open Source/DOA" and this is kind of what they were talking about.

Your quote above is exemplary of this issue. While AMD works "the bureaucracy", NV pushes its closely held closed tech to market and makes money hand over fist.

And before everyone starts shrieking fanboy, please note the card in my sig (and the 7870 XT in my wife's rig). Some AMD guys are tired of AMD trying to be everything to everyone and just want AMD to deliver for the people who bought their damn cards.

 

[3DVagabond]

-There were a number of threads/posts on here recently arguing the topic of "AMD/Open Source/DOA" and this is kind of what they were talking about.

Your quote above is exemplary of this issue. While AMD works "the bureaucracy", NV pushes its closely held closed tech to market and makes money hand over fist.

And before everyone starts shrieking fanboy, please note the card in my sig (and the 7870 XT in my wife's rig). Some AMD guys are tired of AMD trying to be everything to everyone and just want AMD to deliver for the people who bought their damn cards.

How is "Vulcan Delayed" turned into an AMD failure?

 

[BFG10K]

At least it's good to see they are at least working on it. It will be a long time I bet before we see next gen Vulkan games.

Where exactly are you expecting Vulcan games, may I ask? Vulcan is simply a newer version of OpenGL.

As of recent times we have two Wolfenstein games and the upcoming Doom which use OpenGL. So a total of 3. Meanwhile we have thousands of current and upcoming games based on Direct3D.

OpenGL is largely dead on Windows and Vulcan isn't going to change that no matter how delusional some get. And Linux/MacOS/Android are virtually irrelevant to AMD/nVidia in terms of market share and sales.

 

[TheELF]

OpenGL is largely dead on Windows and Vulcan isn't going to change that no matter how delusional some get. And Linux/MacOS/Android are virtually irrelevant to AMD/nVidia in terms of market share and sales.

Well, one could argue that maybe (very big maybe) the devs are going to add vulcan as well as Dx12 to upcoming games, for all the people sticking to win 8 and earlier, it will all come down to how easy it will be to add.
Plus tablets are becoming quite strong, if some games will become playable with dx12/vulcan it will open up new market shares for devs so they might consider it.