VZ FIOS Upload speed will eventually match download

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http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2014/07/21/verizon-fios-uploads/12936237/
It appears 25/25 will become the entry level speed for new customers. I will be interested to see the pricing vrs. the plan I have 15/5 that will morph to 15/15 by 2015!
Little known is the 3/1 plan that I used to have (Upgraded from DSL) that consistently delivered at least 20% better speeds.

 

[Ertaz]

My 2.5Mb/768k $60 per month connection sucks. I am seriously considering home fusion since I have 4G in my area. I would love to give FIOS the chance to under perform in my area.

 

[fastman]

If only it was available in my area

 

[Elixer]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2014/07/21/verizon-fios-uploads/12936237/
It appears 25/25 will become the entry level speed for new customers. I will be interested to see the pricing vrs. the plan I have 15/5 that will morph to 15/15 by 2015!
Little known is the 3/1 plan that I used to have (Upgraded from DSL) that consistently delivered at least 20% better speeds.

15/15 & 25/25 would still be pretty slow, compared to others, at least the downloads, for most cable operators.
Yeah, it blows DSL out of the water.
Would be nice if they offered a 80/15 plan for entry, at a price of around $50/month.

 

[Railgun]

This is what all providers should/could have done from the get go.

 

[Mushkins]

15/15 & 25/25 would still be pretty slow, compared to others, at least the downloads, for most cable operators.
Yeah, it blows DSL out of the water.
Would be nice if they offered a 80/15 plan for entry, at a price of around $50/month.

I'd rather have 25/25 FiOS than 50/25 cable any day of the week. It's a dedicated fibre line, which means you *actually* get about 25/25 (plus/minus overhead and infrastructure) as long as the line is up. The way cable works as a technology has you sharing a total bandwidth pool with your local node, and the cable company just puts artificial restrictions and QoS on each customer to balance the load vs what tier you pay for.

Which means during peak hours, that 50/25 connection you're paying $90 a month for is operating somewhere around 10/5 if you're lucky.

 

[RadiclDreamer]

Would be nice to see, however i've read quite a few reports that as long as you are inside the verizon network that their connection is awesome, but their peering points suck.

 

[RadiclDreamer]

I'd rather have 25/25 FiOS than 50/25 cable any day of the week. It's a dedicated fibre line, which means you *actually* get about 25/25 (plus/minus overhead and infrastructure) as long as the line is up. The way cable works as a technology has you sharing a total bandwidth pool with your local node, and the cable company just puts artificial restrictions and QoS on each customer to balance the load vs what tier you pay for.

Which means during peak hours, that 50/25 connection you're paying $90 a month for is operating somewhere around 10/5 if you're lucky.

My connection is always 110% of what I pay for at a minimum. My ISP is Time Warner and they always deliver 22mbps on my 20mbps line.

 

[Makaveli]

I'd rather have 25/25 FiOS than 50/25 cable any day of the week. It's a dedicated fibre line, which means you *actually* get about 25/25 (plus/minus overhead and infrastructure) as long as the line is up. The way cable works as a technology has you sharing a total bandwidth pool with your local node, and the cable company just puts artificial restrictions and QoS on each customer to balance the load vs what tier you pay for.

Which means during peak hours, that 50/25 connection you're paying $90 a month for is operating somewhere around 10/5 if you're lucky.

While technically you are correct about the infrastructure of the cable system. Not all companies and all nodes are the same.

I'm on a 60/10 with Docsis 3.0 and I don't see my connection slowing down that much during peek hours.

And while this is a major win for Fios customers they have major issues still with netflix. The guy with a 10/5 cable connection can actually get HD streams from netflix while the guy on the 75/75 fios connection is not getting HD.

So until those peering issues with level 3 are resolved there are still problems.

 

[azazel1024]

Yeah, I have big Netflix issues. Beyond that though, it is very nice. Mine went from 82/36 for my 75/35 plan to 83/91 when they changed it to 75/75 two days ago.

Comcast in my area has some serious issues (when don't they). They may have resolved a few of them, but in general, crap service. Their 105/10 plan is what competes on price with the 75/75 plan I have now. My friend who lives nearby and doesn't have the option of FIOS in his neighborhood has the Comcast "Blast!" 105/10 plan. He gets something around 90Mbps or so downloads and 9MBps uploads off peak and around 60-80Mbps and 7Mbps during peak.

To me what sucks chunks is in my area, the entry level Comcast plan is a 6/2 plan, for $49.99 a month, for I think the first year (then $59.99 a month there after). Compared to Verizon now, Verizon is 25/25 now for the same price as the entry level plan.

Makes me wonder if either Comcast will drop the price of their entry level plan now that their 6/2 is up against a 25/25 instead of a 15/3, or if they'll upgrade their entry level plan in my area.

If they'd drop it to around $20 I might consider picking up Comcast as well for load balancing/failover purposes, though it is rare that I lose service with Verizon, but it has happened a couple of times for an hour or two (or once for 5 days due to a power outage and then found out a blown ONT that took 3 days for them to come replace due to mass ice storm).

 

[KingFatty]

A guy made a video on how to get around the Netflix issue where Verizon would artificially slow down Netflix. What he did was turn on a VPN and instantly his Netflix quality improved, and kept improving over the next 20 seconds or so after turning on the VPN, until he maxed out the upper limit of Netflix streaming. So it was definitely something he could address, using a tool to fool Verizon and not make it easy for them to target the Netflix stream on FIOS. So if you have Netflix and Verizon FIOS but see slow Netflix speeds, you might want to just get a VPN service and use that during times when Verizon is throttling your connection to Neflix.

 

[Ertaz]

A guy made a video on how to get around the Netflix issue where Verizon would artificially slow down Netflix. What he did was turn on a VPN and instantly his Netflix quality improved, and kept improving over the next 20 seconds or so after turning on the VPN, until he maxed out the upper limit of Netflix streaming. So it was definitely something he could address, using a tool to fool Verizon and not make it easy for them to target the Netflix stream on FIOS. So if you have Netflix and Verizon FIOS but see slow Netflix speeds, you might want to just get a VPN service and use that during times when Verizon is throttling your connection to Neflix.

Here is that article: http://bgr.com/2014/07/21/how-to-fix-netflix-streaming-on-verizon/

Verizon isn't "targeting a stream" per se. It just meant that its pipe to Netflix's partner, Cogent, was full. The VPN to another site brought the traffic in through a less congested path.

http://tech-beta.slashdot.org/story/14/07/18/1230220/verizons-accidental-mea-culpa

http://blog.level3.com/global-connectivity/verizons-accidental-mea-culpa/


The question is: Who pays for the additional peering?

Looks like Netflix:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-...to-pay-verizon-for-faster-network-access.html

 

[kevnich2]

It's all a game of economics and the peering agreements were from years past when video streaming wasn't what it is today. Back a few years ago, traffic was symmetrical as it was all web browsing, music streaming, etc. Now with video streaming, whatever provider is doing CDN is going to be sending more traffic than it's receiving, which technically is against most of the peering agreements.

The peering agreements have provisions that if traffic becomes unbalanced, whatever party is sending more traffic needs to be paying $x.00 per gb/s that needs to be increased. This is just how the internet works and has worked. Cogent and some other's are just selling transit capacity at cheaper rates than Verizon/ATT so the big streaming places are going with them. It's not netflix that really is responsible for paying the extra peering but in the end, it's in their best interests to peer directly with some of the big players (Verizon & Comcast) and bypass some of the CDN's.

 

[PCunicorn]

My 2.5Mb/768k $60 per month connection sucks. I am seriously considering home fusion since I have 4G in my area. I would love to give FIOS the chance to under perform in my area.

Can't you get like 12 Mbps Satellite for around 60 bucks?

 

[azazel1024]

Can't you get like 12 Mbps Satellite for around 60 bucks?

The problem with that is very limited monthly data caps. Home fusion has them too, IIRC, but I think they are actually higher.

They aren't as painful as phone data caps. I want to say that the base cap is 15GB a month and can be expanded up to 50GB a month or something like that?

Also, ping. If you are doing any kind of gaming, satellite is untenable. There are some other latency sensitive applications too (RDP for one), where satellite just won't work.

I am not a huge fan of 4G connections over wired, but I'll at least grant, even in a moderately congested area, if you have a resonably strong connection, you probably can get at least mid single digit Mbps downloads and maybe around half that for uploads. Uncongested times you might actually hit 10-20Mbps. Latency is going to be very favorable with wired service, with maybe only 5-20ms of added latency depending on the load on the current cell node, over wire.

 

[Venomous]

I'd rather have 25/25 FiOS than 50/25 cable any day of the week. It's a dedicated fibre line, which means you *actually* get about 25/25 (plus/minus overhead and infrastructure) as long as the line is up. The way cable works as a technology has you sharing a total bandwidth pool with your local node, and the cable company just puts artificial restrictions and QoS on each customer to balance the load vs what tier you pay for.

Which means during peak hours, that 50/25 connection you're paying $90 a month for is operating somewhere around 10/5 if you're lucky.

I've had both and both perform the same... I moved out of a FIOS area and now have time warner 300/25.

If you truly believe the shared pipe theory, then you've been living I a cave.

 

[Goblin_King]

While technically you are correct about the infrastructure of the cable system. Not all companies and all nodes are the same.

I'm on a 60/10 with Docsis 3.0 and I don't see my connection slowing down that much during peek hours.

And while this is a major win for Fios customers they have major issues still with netflix. The guy with a 10/5 cable connection can actually get HD streams from netflix while the guy on the 75/75 fios connection is not getting HD.

So until those peering issues with level 3 are resolved there are still problems.

I use to have Fios when I lived in NY...My neighborhood was actually the first in the country to get it. I have since moved to VA and now have Comcast. I have the 120/10 plan, soon to be 150/20 I believe. I get 125/11.5 constantly, even during peak hours. I don't think congestion is much of an issue anymore with Cable. I get this speed for $89.99 bundled with TV and phone. I wish I still had Fios though, I like the TV better...It's available across the street in houses, but not in my condo complex.

 

[Makaveli]

I use to have Fios when I lived in NY...My neighborhood was actually the first in the country to get it. I have since moved to VA and now have Comcast. I have the 120/10 plan, soon to be 150/20 I believe. I get 125/11.5 constantly, even during peak hours. I don't think congestion is much of an issue anymore with Cable. I get this speed for $89.99 bundled with TV and phone. I wish I still had Fios though, I like the TV better...It's available across the street in houses, but not in my condo complex.

Yes I think cable improved a ton in that area after ISPs started going to Docsis 3.0

When we were on 2.0 I heard about congestion alot and saw it far more often. You still hear about it sometimes in certain area's depending on the ISP and how they have built out the network but not as common as before.