Wait, so if drugs are legalized...

[xj0hnx]

Yeah but your chance of being caught drops to 0% because you're not dealing with retards.

Depends on what you're making, and how you're making it. Growing a few pot plants, or some 'shrooms chances are very low, growing enough poppy, or coca plants to make a decent amount of heroin, or coke on the other hand would require quite a bit of space. Many of the chemicals to process the aforementioned, along with meth, or LSD are on watch list, so that makes it harder to get away with it.

 

[Ausm]

Can I make my own meth?

Hey man it has to be easy because there are a ton of rolling meth labs out there

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

And absolutely nobody can tell you different.




How so? There are already plent of people producing things like pot, meth, and mushrooms.

They took drastic steps to curb meth production here in the states and all that did was put some hill bilies out of work and give their jobs to murderous drug cartels in mexico.

As far as your high dollar imports like Heroin, and Cocaine... may as well have them be legal for all of the government influence that allows them to get into the country... need I cite stats about how cheap and pure heroin is today because of our protection of aghan poppy fields? or should I link the story about the CIA plane crashing in mexico w\ tons of cocaine on board?

I'm saying that the military and intelligence agencies are the only parts of the government that can do anything halfway right, and they wouldn't be in charge of cultivation. It would be some stupid domestic agency that would embezzle funds and be forced to conform to some stupid growing standard that jacks up the price and lowers potency.

Here's an idea: Make it legal to grow with a valid license (which is easy to get), and tax the shit out of it. USDA officials will come by every so often to make sure that what you're growing is safe for consumption, the IRS will check that you are doing taxes correctly, and that will be it. Unlicensed growers will be charged with reckless endangerment of distributing unsafe goods/evading taxes. Everyone will get their weed and the government will have its share.

 

[BoberFett]

Fuck you assholes and your notion of "taxing the shit" out of everything. When did government revenues become the #1 motivator in this country?

 

[actuarial]

Fuck you assholes and your notion of "taxing the shit" out of everything. When did government revenues become the #1 motivator in this country?

Well they already basically tax the shit out of everyone with respect to Marijuana for the purposes of incarcerating tens of thousands of people.

So it would just shift that tax burden to those who actually use the product, as well as lowering government expenditure.

 

[Jaskalas]

Fuck you assholes and your notion of "taxing the shit" out of everything. When did government revenues become the #1 motivator in this country?

The moment they centralized planning, something has to pay for it. Bit off topic though.

If drugs were legalized, we'd have an economic depression as all the prison guards are laid off.

 

[BoberFett]

Well they already basically tax the shit out of everyone with respect to Marijuana for the purposes of incarcerating tens of thousands of people.

So it would just shift that tax burden to those who actually use the product, as well as lowering government expenditure.

Legalized drugs covered by the already more than adequate sales tax in combination with the savings of billions of dollars every year on the failed drug war is plenty of money. No need to "tax the shit out of it."

 

[ShawnD1]

Fuck you assholes and your notion of "taxing the shit" out of everything. When did government revenues become the #1 motivator in this country?

It's mostly part of a misguided idea that people will abuse the shit out of drugs if they are too cheap. Bulk cocaine would be as cheap as hell. Think of buying a 20 pound bag of cocaine for $20 at Costco.

Of course it's totally wrong when we remember that caffeine pills are cheap to the point of almost being free and people don't abuse them. Most people would rather pay $5 for a starbucks coffee than pay $0.02 for a caffeine pill with the same amount of caffeine. Sort of like how you go to the bar and drink 1 beer; you don't slam 20 in a desperate attempt to get falling down drunk every time.

If they really want to regulate how much drugs people consume, do what they do with over the counter drugs. Put it in a binder that tastes horrible. If you put a bunch of ephedrine pills in your mouth, you'll gag because of how horrible it tastes. That's done for a reason - you can't put a bunch in your mouth and swallow them all at once.

 

[Ausm]

Fuck you assholes and your notion of "taxing the shit" out of everything. When did government revenues become the #1 motivator in this country?

Since tax law went into existence?

 

[Howard]

On second thought, we could use this solution to wean farmers off their useless subsidized crops, too.

 

[BoberFett]

Since tax law went into existence?

And then we told kings to go fuck themselves.

What's the excuse now?

 

[BoberFett]

On second thought, we could use this solution to wean farmers off their useless subsidized crops, too.

Hemp is an amazing plant with many uses, but the drug war killed any chance of a booming industry. Well done, teetotalers.

 

[momeNt]

And then we told kings to go fuck themselves.

What's the excuse now?

Men like Thomas Jefferson told kings to go fuck themselves, they wanted liberty and freedom. Then there were other men that told the kings to go fuck themselves, they want to rule their own country with an iron fist.

Whose idea do you think won? Clue: Answer isn't Thomas Jefferson.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Amusing thread pretending that legalizing drugs would eliminate evey negative that comes wth it. None of you have spent any time in law enforcement clearly. There's far more crime related to drugs than people seem to realize. It's not just drug dealers killing each other and druggies stealing to support their habits. It's not black and white.

 

[ShawnD1]

On second thought, we could use this solution to wean farmers off their useless subsidized crops, too.

Nope. Supply and demand. When the value of cocaine drops to nothing, farmers will make just as much from cocaine as they would from tobacco or potatoes.

 

[ShawnD1]

Amusing thread pretending that legalizing drugs would eliminate evey negative that comes wth it. None of you have spent any time in law enforcement clearly. There's far more crime related to drugs than people seem to realize. It's not just drug dealers killing each other and druggies stealing to support their habits. It's not black and white.

What makes you think the crime would stay? When alcohol prohibition ended, crime dropped dramatically. The only alcohol problems remaining are bar fights, drunk drivers, and maybe some other thing I can't think of at this time.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

What makes you think the crime would stay? When alcohol prohibition ended, crime dropped dramatically. The only alcohol problems remaining are bar fights, drunk drivers, and maybe some other thing I can't think of at this time.

9 years of dealing with drugged out assholes tells me that. You think legalizing narcotics is going to make drug addicts suddenly become productve members of society? Or is it just going to make more addicts?

 

[xj0hnx]

9 years of dealing with drugged out assholes tells me that. You think legalizing narcotics is going to make drug addicts suddenly become productve members of society? Or is it just going to make more addicts?

It obviously isn't going to change your biased opinion, but no, it isn't going to instantly make them productive, but it does open the doors to treating it as it should be treated, which is a medical problem, and it would allow more people to seek treatment, and avoid the stigma of prison records to let those that want to be productive become so.

Your fallacy that it's "going to make more addicts" is laughable at best. People aren't going to go running out to start smoking crack, and shooting dope just because there's no law telling them not to.

 

[ShawnD1]

9 years of dealing with drugged out assholes tells me that. You think legalizing narcotics is going to make drug addicts suddenly become productve members of society? Or is it just going to make more addicts?

Fact: alcohol addiction went DOWN after it was made legal again.

Them being unproductive scabs is a direct result of it being illegal. They can't hold real jobs because they can't pass a background check. You can't even be a cashier at Walmart if you have a criminal record, and you get a criminal record if you're caught smoking a joint in your own home.

 

[airdata]

Amusing thread pretending that legalizing drugs would eliminate evey negative that comes wth it. None of you have spent any time in law enforcement clearly. There's far more crime related to drugs than people seem to realize. It's not just drug dealers killing each other and druggies stealing to support their habits. It's not black and white.

People wouldn't need to steal as much to support their habit if it was legal. That and legalizing would remove much of the dark black market element in the first place.

Why travel to some horrible urban center to buy your crack when you can get some FDA approved crack?

Along the same lines, people put all sorts of stuff into drugs in order to add volume to them. Users don't have any idea what they're putting in their body most of the time. If drugs were legalized and controlled, it would be a win for the public health sector.

Of course I realize there are alot of idiots who think everybody would run out and start shooting up heroin if it were legalized without realizing how stupid that idea is.

 

[momeNt]

If killing became legal think of how much more crime there would be too.

This conversation can be broken down to an argument between which is more powerful, teaching a kid "right and wrong" or teaching them "legal or illegal".

 

[Howard]

If killing became legal think of how much more crime there would be too.

This conversation can be broken down to an argument between which is more powerful, teaching a kid "right and wrong" or teaching them "legal or illegal".

What exactly is the point you are trying to make?

 

[Howard]

9 years of dealing with drugged out assholes tells me that. You think legalizing narcotics is going to make drug addicts suddenly become productve members of society? Or is it just going to make more addicts?

Spoken like somebody who doesn't realize he has blinders on...

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html

 

[ShawnD1]

Of course I realize there are alot of idiots who think everybody would run out and start shooting up heroin if it were legalized without realizing how stupid that idea is.

What's interesting is that you can always tell which people were extremely unpopular when they were kids because people usually (always) project their own personality onto others. Example: Person A says that people will rush out to try cocaine as soon as it's legal. They assume other people are like that because that is how Person A thinks. Replace cocaine with alcohol and see what the scenario looks like. Person A is saying that they didn't drink alcohol until they were 21, then they rushed out and got drunk as shit as soon as it was legal to do so

For the cool kids, that's not at all how it works. Alcohol was cool and illegal, so we drank it when were 12, 13, 14, 15... 21. After becoming legal age to drink, binge drinking is suddenly less cool. Do any of your legal age friends drink until they pass out? Didn't think so.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Fact: alcohol addiction went DOWN after it was made legal again.

Them being unproductive scabs is a direct result of it being illegal. They can't hold real jobs because they can't pass a background check. You can't even be a cashier at Walmart if you have a criminal record, and you get a criminal record if you're caught smoking a joint in your own home.

Lol yeah because drugs don't diminish your capacity in any way. You're only limited if you've been arrested... Also comical to compare casual drug use with casual consumption of alcohol.