If they really want to regulate how much drugs people consume, do what they do with over the counter drugs. Put it in a binder that tastes horrible. If you put a bunch of ephedrine pills in your mouth, you'll gag because of how horrible it tastes. That's done for a reason - you can't put a bunch in your mouth and swallow them all at once.
Spoken like somebody who doesn't realize he has blinders on...
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html
With regard to the consumption of cocaine "the latest data (surveys from 2005-2007) confirms the increasing trend during the last year in France, Ireland, Spain, The United Kingdom, Italy, Denmark and Portugal" (EMCDDA 2008). While rates of use of cocaine and amphetamine doubled in Portugal, seizures of cocaine have increased sevenfold between 2001 and 2006, the sixth highest in the world (WDR-World Drug Report, 2009).
With regard to hashish, it is difficult to assess the trends and intensive use of hashish in Europe, but among the countries that participated in field trials, between 2004 and 2007 (France, Spain, Ireland, Greece, Italy, Greece, Italy, The Netherlands and Portugal) there was an average increase of approximately 20% " (EMCDDA, 2008).
In Portugal, since decriminalization has been implemented, the number of homicides related to drugs has increased 40%. "It was the only European country with a significant increase in (drug-related) murders between 2001 and 2006" (WDR, 2009).
Lol yeah because drugs don't diminish your capacity in any way.
You're only limited if you've been arrested...
Also comical to compare casual drug use with casual consumption of alcohol.
Not really. Portugal limited posession law penalties. All penalties for dealers etc... still apply.
What did that report say on the rates of drug addction out of curiousity? Doubled? And what were the stats related to violence in drug addicts? Who was paying for the drug programs for the doubling of the number of addicts? Think that will happen in the US?
"With regard to the consumption of cocaine "the latest data (surveys from 2005-2007) confirms the increasing trend during the last year in France, Ireland, Spain, The United Kingdom, Italy, Denmark and Portugal" (EMCDDA 2008). While rates of use of cocaine and amphetamine doubled in Portugal, seizures of cocaine have increased sevenfold between 2001 and 2006, the sixth highest in the world (WDR-World Drug Report, 2009).
With regard to hashish, it is difficult to assess the trends and intensive use of hashish in Europe, but among the countries that participated in field trials, between 2004 and 2007 (France, Spain, Ireland, Greece, Italy, Greece, Italy, The Netherlands and Portugal) there was an average increase of approximately 20% " (EMCDDA, 2008).
In Portugal, since decriminalization has been implemented, the number of homicides related to drugs has increased 40%. "It was the only European country with a significant increase in (drug-related) murders between 2001 and 2006" (WDR, 2009). "
Here's some more data for you.
What exactly is the point you are trying to make?
9 years of dealing with drugged out assholes tells me that. You think legalizing narcotics is going to make drug addicts suddenly become productve members of society? Or is it just going to make more addicts?
What's "comical" about it?
What is comical is that he has been brainwashed by laws that since alcohol is legal, it must be okay, and since illicit drugs are illegal, they must be bad, and to compare them is "comical".
His contempt of "drug" abusers is far greater than alcoholics, well because alcoholics aren't breaking the law!
That is what is comical.
Freud was a cocaine addict. Elvis was addicted to amphetamine. Rush Limbaugh is a crazy bastard but he's a crazy rich bastard addicted to opioid pain killers. You can only guess what Jimmy Hendrix was on. George Burns was a smoker. Amy WinehouseLol yeah because drugs don't diminish your capacity in any way
Change in drug addiction rates - I could not find that data in the report. However, I did find this:Not really. Portugal limited posession law penalties. All penalties for dealers etc... still apply.
What did that report say on the rates of drug addction out of curiousity? Doubled? And what were the stats related to violence in drug addicts? Who was paying for the drug programs for the doubling of the number of addicts? Think that will happen in the US?
While drug addiction, usage, and associated pathologies continue to skyrocket in many EU states, those problems—in virtually every relevant category—have been either contained or measurably improved within Portugal since 2001. In certain key demographic segments, drug usage has decreased in absolute terms in the decriminalization framework, even as usage across the EU continues to increase, including in those states that continue to take the hardest line in criminalizing drug possession and usage
Point 1 - cocaine seizures concern me little, if at all. Heck, if we legalize cocaine we wouldn't have to seize it ever again (unless, perhaps, a batch was found to be contaminated with rat poison or something).Here's some more data for you.
"With regard to the consumption of cocaine "the latest data (surveys from 2005-2007) confirms the increasing trend during the last year in France, Ireland, Spain, The United Kingdom, Italy, Denmark and Portugal" (EMCDDA 2008). While rates of use of cocaine and amphetamine doubled in Portugal, seizures of cocaine have increased sevenfold between 2001 and 2006, the sixth highest in the world (WDR-World Drug Report, 2009).
With regard to hashish, it is difficult to assess the trends and intensive use of hashish in Europe, but among the countries that participated in field trials, between 2004 and 2007 (France, Spain, Ireland, Greece, Italy, Greece, Italy, The Netherlands and Portugal) there was an average increase of approximately 20% " (EMCDDA, 2008).
In Portugal, since decriminalization has been implemented, the number of homicides related to drugs has increased 40%. "It was the only European country with a significant increase in (drug-related) murders between 2001 and 2006" (WDR, 2009). "
I can't explain why this happened nor can I suggest, at the nonce, what would happen if drugs were legalized rather than decriminalized. If all of North America legalized drugs, though, I'm pretty certain that criminal trafficking, and the associated drawbacks, would cease to exist.The number of murders increased 40% during this same period of time, 27 a fact that might be related to the trafficking activity. Although the rate remains low and Lisbon is one of Europe’s safest cities, Portugal was the only European country to show a significant increase in murder during this period. This rapid increase in trafficking was probably related to the use of Guinea-Bissau and Cape Verde, former colonies, as transit countries. Most of the traffickers arrested in Portugal in 2007 were of West African origin.
Legalize drugs and you tear out the backbone of the BATF and DEA and remove the need for at least $100 billion in funding bloat of various federal departments and agencies. That is why drugs dont get legalized.
In fact, the BATFE would probably expand due to its inevitable selection as the agency responsible for collecting taxes on the newly legalized swag. It would be a repeat of how the BATFE came to be in the first place.The BATFE would hardly be effected, and the DEA needs to be dissolved anyway. The can fold them into other law enforcement branches, and we can finally get to a prison system that has reasonable populations.
Hemp is an amazing plant with many uses, but the drug war killed any chance of a booming industry. Well done, teetotalers.
Freud was a cocaine addict. Elvis was addicted to amphetamine. Rush Limbaugh is a crazy bastard but he's a crazy rich bastard addicted to opioid pain killers. You can only guess what Jimmy Hendrix was on. George Burns was a smoker. Amy Winehouseiswas an alco... :awe:
I JUST took an informal poll (of my kids). The question asked is: If we make drugs legal what will drug dealers, like the ones in Mexico do for a living? The youngest (still in grade school by the way) said "They'll kill somebody else for money....Isn't that what they do?" My oldest (High school) added that since drugs are legal they'll be controlled by corporations which will raise prices so drug sales will stay where they are now, and criminals will just become executives and mobsters. Dopers will still be dopers.
So let me get this right. If we legalize drugs, the criminals associated with the drugs will start singing in my choir? Bullshit!! You're about 13 years old mentally if you believe this. Take your Pokemon and you My Little Pony oloring book and go back to school.
I JUST took an informal poll (of my kids). The question asked is: If we make drugs legal what will drug dealers, like the ones in Mexico do for a living? The youngest (still in grade school by the way) said "They'll kill somebody else for money....Isn't that what they do?" My oldest (High school) added that since drugs are legal they'll be controlled by corporations which will raise prices so drug sales will stay where they are now, and criminals will just become executives and mobsters. Dopers will still be dopers.
I don't think you have much practice with the act known as "putting yourself in other people's shoes".So let me get this right. If we legalize drugs, the criminals associated with the drugs will start singing in my choir? Bullshit!! You're about 13 years old mentally if you believe this. Take your Pokemon and you My Little Pony oloring book and go back to school.
I JUST took an informal poll (of my kids). The question asked is: If we make drugs legal what will drug dealers, like the ones in Mexico do for a living? The youngest (still in grade school by the way) said "They'll kill somebody else for money....Isn't that what they do?" My oldest (High school) added that since drugs are legal they'll be controlled by corporations which will raise prices so drug sales will stay where they are now, and criminals will just become executives and mobsters. Dopers will still be dopers.
Fascinating argument.So let me get this right. If we legalize gambling, the criminals associated with the gambling will start singing in my choir? Bullshit!! You're about 13 years old mentally if you believe this. Take your Pokemon and you My Little Pony oloring book and go back to school.
I JUST took an informal poll (of my kids). The question asked is: If we make gambling legal what will gaming mobsters, like the ones in Mexico do for a living? The youngest (still in grade school by the way) said "They'll swindle somebody else for money....Isn't that what they do?" My oldest (High school) added that since gambling is legal it'll be controlled by corporations which will raise prices so gambling revenues will stay where they are now, and criminals will just become executives and mobsters. Bookies will still be bookies.
Lol yeah because drugs don't diminish your capacity in any way. You're only limited if you've been arrested... Also comical to compare casual drug use with casual consumption of alcohol.
The one thing the USA does not have is a primitive viewpoint of drug use. Brutish, blunt, and ignorant? Definitely. Primitive? Not by a long shot. You've got to be extremely sophisticated to convince yourself that gouging your eyes out improves your vision. No caveman would fall for such trickery.Unfortunately for residents of the USA, your country has made a mess of drug policy, along with holding fast to some pretty primitive and unenlightened viewpoints of drug use.
Actually most binders, and fillers are usually there to limit abuse potential in other ways, or as part of a time release matrix to make them last longer. Adding the binders makes the base drug harder, if not impossible to use in a way other than intended, such as smoking, or injecting, or purifying to use in another drug. I've wondered how they would go about legalizing some of the harder drugs, I can see them trying the prescription route, but that would just lead to the same problems, abuse and diversion that happen with current drugs. If they had a "free for all" OTC method I can see the first time some dumbass OD's, that's all she wrote. They could try like they do with ephedrine based drugs, OTC, but monitored, of course if someone has a large habit that would cause the same issues.