Waiting for AIB Vega cards (w/Custom Coolers)? Well...be prepared to keep on waiting.

[Elixer]

Any news on the release date for the Asus Strix Vega?

I wouldn't wait for this card, the pre/reviews all say it runs hotter than it should.

 

[Stuka87]

I am waiting for an AIB Vega 56. But by the time they come out, the next version of the cards will be out it seems.

 

[swilli89]

I am waiting for an AIB Vega 56. But by the time they come out, the next version of the cards will be out it seems.

Nah, there won't be any real new AMD card until next Fall at least. Nvidia will probably release a new series in 3-4 months, however. Edit: looking at my crystal ball just for fun I bet in March(ish) we will have a new Geforce 2xxx (or 11xx) series, the GV104 cut down die should be ~$400-450 and come close but fall slightly short of the 1080Ti as we are still stuck on 16nm.

That being said I would still take a flashable Vega 56 over a 1070.. just depends on price. But if I could get by I would wait a few extra months and just game on what I've got for now if possible.

 

[amenx]

That being said I would still take a flashable Vega 56 over a 1070.. just depends on price. But if I could get by I would wait a few extra months and just game on what I've got for now if possible.

The 1070 is dead as an option. Thats why Nvidia is releasing the 1070ti (due out on 26th). I believe it will replace the 1070 altogether in due time. It should make it harder for those thinking of vega 56.

 

[ZGR]

I can't even recommend the 1070 when Newegg Ebay and Newegg itself keeps selling GTX 1080's for $470-$500 new.

So frustrating that AIB Vega is still not here as well as the general high price of Vega 56. I can't even recommend a new Blower Vega 56 for gaming when there are Open Air GTX 1080s on Newegg Ebay for the same price :/

 

[XFXSupport]

Late October is here. Well, we're waiting...!

 

[EXCellR8]

I've lost a bit of interest in the AIB lineup but still keeping my eyes peeled for some early reviews and tests.

no NITRO cards from Sapphire... yet

 

[Mopetar]

I don't think AIB cards make much of a splash without a big driver update from AMD to coincide with their launch. Maybe if one of them had got their hands on some top bin chips, there might be something worth getting excited about, but short of that I don't think there's much to get excited about.

 

[krumme]

I don't think AIB cards make much of a splash without a big driver update from AMD to coincide with their launch. Maybe if one of them had got their hands on some top bin chips, there might be something worth getting excited about, but short of that I don't think there's much to get excited about.

Yep. If the ngg path and hbm2 pseudochannel is not enabled it doesnt matter.
Perf is to low and power to high.
Right now i think amd is working to get rr apu out the gate with ngg enabled. It would be stupid to prioritize a low volume highend gfx that probably have hbm supply issues before a high volume high margin apu.
If we get ngg before on vega its because apu is delayed a bit then.
It might also be ngg is broken in vega but they did give us some preliminary numbers so it doesnt seem likely.
There is tons of vital tech in vega we dont have the benefit of. One of the most uncertain and interesting thing this winter is imo if we get it enabled and what effect could be seen. I have never seen such a crazy thing before.

 

[EXCellR8]

I'm inclined to agree... I mean if the AIB models are clearly a better option, then expect a hefty upcharge.

at this point I can't see too much incentive to go the aftermarket route unless a few models have an edge on performance without jacking up the price.

 

[tential]

It would be stupid to prioritize a low volume highend gfx that probably have hbm supply issues before a high volume high margin apu.

This case is always made regarding amd at some point. If that's the case, why buy into something that's a low priority for amd?

Amd high end releases get hyped up until they are released and then we make as many excuses as possible for why amd can't reach or compete in the high end.

Also amd is in even a further bind because of the gtx 1070ti.

I really doubt Vega will get a ton of specific attention. Feels like it will be just like Fiji with some games weirdly underperforming there since it was a rarely used platform.

 

[krumme]

This case is always made regarding amd at some point. If that's the case, why buy into something that's a low priority for amd?

Amd high end releases get hyped up until they are released and then we make as many excuses as possible for why amd can't reach or compete in the high end.

Also amd is in even a further bind because of the gtx 1070ti.

I really doubt Vega will get a ton of specific attention. Feels like it will be just like Fiji with some games weirdly underperforming there since it was a rarely used platform.

This is typical useless comment and many of your comments is like that. What about adressing the argument presented instead of this abstract flaming nonsense?
The top of the line apu is highend. Show me another product on the market that can do the same.
It means imo its high margin.
If you disagree write why. Much sane can be said pro and con here.
As for Vega we will obviously see but i still need your argument not just your "feelings". No offense but nobody cares.


This isn't the thread for RR APU discussion, nor is it the thread for general Vega discussion. Please stay more toward the topic. Thanks!

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[krumme]

Well if the rr apu didnt launch today in a 15w tdp form factor ! Crazy stuff. If this isnt high margin stuff i dont know what it is.

 

[tential]

This is a topic about Vega aib and not Vega apu. Please keep on topic. People can create a thread for Vega apu if you please.

I thought there would be new Vega aib info but it's still Vega apu posts for some reason.
I have no interest in a vega apu hence why I'm in a vega aib topic. So if we can stay on point that'd be great. Thanks.

 

[Despoiler]

So we already know the delay is yield based. At least it was not too long ago. However it just occurred to me that the launch date for the Apple products containing Vega is fast approaching. I bet every good die is allocated to fill the Apple order which in turn is causing the AIB delay.

 

[Erithan13]

I think I'm going to cave in and get the reference 56. I'm pretty certain that AIBs either aren't happening at all or they will be so late, underwhelming and limited that it's just another insult. It's almost November, the 3rd party cards have been 'just around the corner' seemingly forever, we've not even had the barest squeak of a rumor or leak recently.

The complete radio silence from AMD and the partners (ASUS especially on the Strix Vega) has me pretty well convinced right now. If the cards really were coming there would have been something to indicate that.

So we already know the delay is yield based. At least it was not too long ago. However it just occurred to me that the launch date for the Apple products containing Vega is fast approaching. I bet every good die is allocated to fill the Apple order which in turn is causing the AIB delay.

Yeah I seen this discussed as a possible explanation, makes sense. Also speculated that Vega will be getting a refresh on 12nm alongside Zen+, one hopes that combined with better HBM availability this will get us a much more competitive product.....just in time for Volta arriving and rendering Vega even more laughable.

About the only optimism I have right now is that the driver situation does seem to be improving, I don't want to say 'finewine' but maybe Vega still has some potential to unlock going forward. At least the mining drought seems to be relaxing, noticed 580s trickling back into stock toward MSRP so there's that.

 

[tential]

I don't think Reference 56 is a remotely bad choice(assuming you already have a freesync monitor). And I HATE reference GPUs. They suck.
But I mean like you said, we haven't heard anything and we haven't seen any results that show that great cooling changes much of anything for Vega.

You're better off buying ASAP and recouping your losses through mining than anything else. That's the lesson I've learned in hindsight. No matter what, just buy ASAP and start mining lol.

For anyone still playing the waiting game, the GTX 1070ti should shake things up.
Being $450, it may be the pressure needed to put Vega pricing in line.

Again, though these small $50 price differences at this point are just easily recouped by mining. They make a "large" difference when you look at it percentage wise as a price increase, but in absolute terms... it's $50. Get Vega 56 and mine if you really feel like you aren't getting a great deal and soon, it will be like you paid "Like" nothing for the GPU anyway.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...14932001&cm_re=Vega_56-_-14-932-001-_-Product
$450 after rebate card.

I'm guaranteeing you guys that Vega pricing will be normalize after the holiday season.

 

[fleshconsumed]

FYI MSI V56 is only $420 at newegg if anybody wants it.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814137228

Personally I'm still going to wait for AIB models. If they never come, well, then AMD lost a sale. I will not buy another blower card after having 290. I just don't want the noise.

 

[EXCellR8]

The reference Vega is nothing like a reference 290X... cmon, that card was notoriously obnoxious. unfair comparison.

Prices are coming down; I might look into a silver Vega 64 during black Friday sales or after new years.

 

[tential]

FYI MSI V56 is only $420 at newegg if anybody wants it.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814137228

Personally I'm still going to wait for AIB models. If they never come, well, then AMD lost a sale. I will not buy another blower card after having 290. I just don't want the noise.

Fair enough, what will you do instead though?
I'm dead serious since I'm in your situation and I just don't know, every choice feels terrible.

 

[fleshconsumed]

Fair enough, what will you do instead though?
I'm dead serious since I'm in your situation and I just don't know, every choice feels terrible.

I don't actually play that much anymore. Certainly not current AAA titles. I have a backlog of older games such as Serious Sam 3 or Wolfenstein Old/New Order to play through. There are also indie games in my library such as Limbo (I'll buy Inside too when it gets dirt cheap). All of these will run just fine on my RX480. Just about the only game that would force me to upgrade would be Half Life 3, but we all know the chances of that coming out any time soon.

 

[nOOky]

Tired of waiting so I got a Sapphire Vega 64 LE today and played with it for a couple hours. Surprisingly not as bad as the HD7970 it replaced as far as noise in my Haf-X case. I've given up on the wait and anyway the heat is going out the back of my case now instead of blowing around inside

I'm glad I took the chance and didn't go by online reviews about how horribly loud it was, it's not that bad...

 

[thilanliyan]

Yeah the cooler on the reference card is not bad this time.

 

[krumme]

From my experience in the house I think the rx56 will be okey for most. The rx64 far from.
One of my kids is running a rx56 vs prior 7970 aib and to him and me it's about same noise. So no probs there. The cooler seems just adequate for the rx56 running below 2400 and no throtling. Fine tech. But a rx64 just drives it over the top and you get this jet sound.

 

[Erithan13]

Just snagged the 56 for a hair over MSRP. If you're in the UK and eyeing up a Vega, both Overclockers and Scan have them 'discounted' at the moment, apparently this is a fresh round of rebates from AMD and these relatively sane prices won't be staying long.

Seems the game deal bundle has been nixed in the bargain as well, ironically I was interested in it but given my game backlog I'll probably be picking up Prey/Wolfenstein for virtually nothing by the time I would get round to playing them so no big loss.

Now, I must pray to the silicon gods for luck in the upcoming lottery. Get your undervolt on!