You don't know by now that HardOCP looooves AMD? How can they say the 7770 is what it is: a failure? 6870 is on average 30% FASTER.
The HardOCP review is a strange one. They say the 7770 gives the same gameplay experience as the 6870, but these are the results from their tests for how much faster the stock 6870 is (Max Playable/Apples to Apples)
Batman:AC (11.3%/7.8%)
BF3 (16.8%/17.8%)
Skyrim (4.5%/16.3%)
DE:HR (26.5%/27.1%)
NFS:TR (11.1%/NA)
I would say that is a pretty substantial difference in performance. Even their XFX BEDD card only reached a 16% OC, which would barely put an OCed 7770 into the range of a stock 6870.
Apparently TSMC is absolutely swamped with 28nm orders, from customers like Apple suppliers and AMD, NV, Qualcomm, etc. which could be why 28nm is so expensive and why 28nm GPU prices have not moved the sticker price/performance needle much.
NV is in a position to pass on more costs to HPC and pro graphics customers than AMD (which has a pitiful HPC and pro graphics business, in comparison). So I am hoping NV will be the one to help drive price/performance ratios forward. Especially for midrange parts where the power draw differences are smaller and thus there isn't even as much of a price savings via lower power draw of 28nm.
But most of all I hope TSMC has a smooth and problem-free 28nm rollout.
Is Tahiti the first commercially available 28nm chip TSMC made?
I haven't been following 28nm production much. So I am not the best person to ask. I just have grim memories of TSMC's 40nm production difficulties.
Certainly Tahiti is probably among the largest if not the largest 28nm TSMC chips being made right now. Flagship GPUs tend to be bigger than most other chips.
I also do not use ANY Apple products and would hate it if it were impacting TSMC 28nm wafer availability. Grrrr.
You don't know by now that HardOCP looooves AMD? How can they say the 7770 is what it is: a failure? 6870 is on average 30% FASTER.
They tested an oced version of the 7770 where they didn't encounter a 30% difference MAX, let alone average.
They don't test based on frame rates they did test on what a gpu delivers. In their case they didn found any difference between the 6870 and 560 and 7770oced version when playing games. All three were smooth with the same settings, none of them were playable with higher settings, ergo their would be no difference for them running a 6870, 7770oced or a 560.
They do mention that its a strange scenario because the biggest competition for the 77xx series are their own previous series which have dropped in price dramatically.
But yeah you don't read it... so you shouldn't judge reviews you don't read... (i assume you didn't read it because you fail to grasp even 1/10th of what they mention in their review...) E.g. the one with a bias is you...
I didn't read the review, HardOCP is not on my list of reviews when I evaluate a card but I just did now since you pointed. It's downright laughable. Let me quote:
"The cheapest GeForce GTX 560 Ti can actually be had right now for $189, or a Galaxy GTX 560 Ti for $197 or a Gigabyte for $209. The GTX 560 Ti is more expensive than the XFX R7770 Black Edition, yet in our gameplay testing we have discovered that the gameplay experience is the exact same between these two! The less expensive XFX R7770 Black Edition produces the same gameplay experience as the more expensive GTX 560 Ti. This is amazing, and is the exact definition of value for your money. Yes, the GTX 560Ti is technically faster than the R7770 in most of the games we tested but those frames did not pay off in a better gameplay experience."
So the reviewer is basing his conclusion (overclocked card vs. stock) on
"the gameplay experience" whatever that means. The GTX560Ti is in another league together with the HD6950 and stock vs. stock it is on average 40% faster. So he's acting like a sales agent trying to convince us that an 180$ card (which is the price of the 7770 OCed version) is competitive with a 190$ card when in fact there is a night and day difference between the two. That's all, I will end my intervention quoting again the aforementioned sales agent:
"This is amazing, and is the exact definition of value for your money"
LOL the same 7770 that was struggling to beat the 6790 in other reviews is now competitive with a GTX560 Ti? Thats amazing! I think I am not going to bother reading anything else other than [H] when the 7870 releases.
The way hardocp does videocard reviews makes them completely pointless, don't even bother wasting your time reading any of it.
The way hardocp does videocard reviews makes them completely pointless, don't even bother wasting your time reading any of it.
^ same boat.
Im gonna be honest here though, my 5870 is still kicking, and giveing me what I feel is "enough" performance. It would have to be a decent upg over a 5870 at a pretty decent price for me to upg.
Im tempted to say, not until some game comes out that really makes the 5870 look long in the tooth, even with a few settings turned down/off.
1. 50% faster than my gtx 480
2. $200
I'll only jump if nVidia can provide at least 7950-level performance for $300 or less. I doubt they will.
I've never purchased a video card for more than ~$300, and I've never purchased a card unless I was getting approximately double my current card's performance:
(1) x800xt pe (replacing 9800pro) - $300 in 2005
(2) x1900xt - $320 in Aug 2006
(3) 8800gt - $300 in Oct 2007
(4) HD5850 - $275 in Mar 2010
(5) Second HD5850 - $150 in Oct 2011
IMO, graphics card development has seriously slowed down over the years. We used to be able to get double the performance every 18 months (for the same price, which is the critical issue). Since there still isn't a single card with double the performance of the HD5850 for $300, going on 2.5 years after its release, I'm not inspired to buy. Having gone crossfire complicates matters, as now I'd want something that can double the performance of my setup for maybe $425 (what I spent on it). Not going to happen for a long time.
double up performance of 5870 CF,.... would be atleast 580 x 2 in SLI.now I'd want something that can double the performance of my setup for maybe $425 (what I spent on it).
So...higher numbers on FRAPS are more important than image quality, smoothness of scene rendering and other "subjective" qualities that go into a users game play experience...*cough