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nitromullet

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How can anyone say they're going to buy something, without knowing literally anything concrete about them? Well, except for model and chip names, I guess.

Well, anyone other than fanboi's, of course.

I'm eager to see something concrete, I'm upgrading to 1600p by the end of the month and my 6950 won't cut it once I do, hopefully we see something soon so that either 1. waiting for Kepler makes sense, or 2. "that's all they got? 79xx it is".

You can look at your previous purchase history and what you're willing to spend, and have a pretty good idea of what you'll be interested in. It's not as if you have to purchase exactly as you voted either.

Considering the following:

- I owned a GTX 580 for all of last year and was quite happy with it
- I had enough issues with my 7970 that I returned it, opting for a refund instead of exchange
- I picked up a much less expensive EVGA card in the meantime with the hope of being able to step-up

...It isn't an unreasonable assumption to say that I'll probably get a GTX 680 provided the performance is decent. Although, that doesn't rule out that I might re-visit the 7-series cards if the price drops and we see more custom/quieter coolers.
 

Leyawiin

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I'm waiting - there's no rush. I don't buy a new GPU that often and I plan on keeping it for a couple of years at least. I want to make as educated a decision as I can considering the complete new line up for both companies will happen this year.
 

bunnyfubbles

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A single 7970 (even heavily overclocked) isn't good enough to replace my 580s, I really want to go back to a single card, and certainly don't want to spend a grand on two cards. I got both of my 580s for less than $400 so regardless of if its going to take two cards to be happy again I really don't want to end up spending more than ~$750 for my next GPU solution. So right now that would mean either dual 660s (which rumor suggests might be branded the 680), the monster Kepler flagship part (which rumor suggests won't be available until Q3), or the rumored Tahiti refresh (which I'd have my doubts would be fast enough anyway, although an inevitable price cut on the current 7900s would be welcomed and thus they would become a viable option).
 
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The Sauce

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I got my 5850 2 years ago for $259. Presently I can get a mere 40% upgrade for $450-$500... Until something in the $300 price range can offer me a significant upgrade...no. My money stays in my pocket. Somehow I doubt nVidia will have something that fits that bill. The graphics card companies have simply gotten out of control.
 

Termie

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I got my 5850 2 years ago for $259. Presently I can get a mere 40% upgrade for $450-$500... Until something in the $300 price range can offer me a significant upgrade...no. My money stays in my pocket. Somehow I doubt nVidia will have something that fits that bill. The graphics card companies have simply gotten out of control.

You know, you can actually get about 60% more performance for $450-500 (http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/HD_7950_Twin_Frozr_III/26.html), but your point is well taken. We have come to expect that within two years time, we should be able to get double the performance for the same price. In Sept. 2009, the 5850 was introduced at $260. That means that by fall 2011, we should have had a clear upgrade to double the performance. Instead, four months later, we got basically double the performance in the 7970, but for ~2x$260. Big letdown.

I assume you won't get 2x5850 (or 7970) performance for $260 until the middle of next year, a full 4 years after the 5850 came out.
 

badb0y

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A single 7970 (even heavily overclocked) isn't good enough to replace my 580s, I really want to go back to a single card, and certainly don't want to spend a grand on two cards. I got both of my 580s for less than $400 so regardless of if its going to take two cards to be happy again I really don't want to end up spending more than ~$750 for my next GPU solution. So right now that would mean either dual 660s (which rumor suggests might be branded the 680), the monster Kepler flagship part (which rumor suggests won't be available until Q3), or the rumored Tahiti refresh (which I'd have my doubts would be fast enough anyway, although an inevitable price cut on the current 7900s would be welcomed and thus they would become a viable option).
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You can look at your previous purchase history and what you're willing to spend, and have a pretty good idea of what you'll be interested in. It's not as if you have to purchase exactly as you voted either.

Considering the following:

- I owned a GTX 580 for all of last year and was quite happy with it
- I had enough issues with my 7970 that I returned it, opting for a refund instead of exchange
- I picked up a much less expensive EVGA card in the meantime with the hope of being able to step-up

...It isn't an unreasonable assumption to say that I'll probably get a GTX 680 provided the performance is decent. Although, that doesn't rule out that I might re-visit the 7-series cards if the price drops and we see more custom/quieter coolers.

Just curious what happened with your 7970?
 

nickb64

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I don't know. I'm looking to get a desktop again soon-ish, and I'll go for whatever's the best performance/$ in my price range, which will top out around where the 570 falls right now.

I'm hoping to get one of those Samsung 27" monitors at the same time I get a new desktop, and I'd like something that can run at least medium-high settings in BF3 at 2560x1440. That's the only really new game I play, everything else is a few years old, and not nearly as demanding of the GPU as something like BF3.

At this point I'm just holding out until Ivy Bridge and maybe Kepler, my Sandy Bridge laptop with 6770M is decent enough even for BF3 on mostly medium at the resolutions I have available, 1440x900 and 1366x768 (bad decisions on laptop display, bought the machine at Sam's Club and couldn't really upgrade that)
 

dust

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I am going to wait till I can get 50% more performance for the same price I paid for my 6950, be it Kepler, Tahiti, Maxwell, North Pole, Galileo Galilei, Sleeping Beauty or whatever it will be named
 
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my gtx 275 is now 2 years old and i'd like more horsepower for new games, but i'm really trying to wait it out. it either aces a game or is pretty marginal. what i'm waiting on i'm not 100% sure.
 

biostud

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depends on price/performance, as always....

If I'm upgrading to a 27" IPS panel I'm going to need a fast single card, since I have a mATX board/case which isn't suitable for SLI/CF.
 

The Sauce

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You know, you can actually get about 60% more performance for $450-500 (http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/HD_7950_Twin_Frozr_III/26.html), but your point is well taken. We have come to expect that within two years time, we should be able to get double the performance for the same price. In Sept. 2009, the 5850 was introduced at $260. That means that by fall 2011, we should have had a clear upgrade to double the performance. Instead, four months later, we got basically double the performance in the 7970, but for ~2x$260. Big letdown.

I assume you won't get 2x5850 (or 7970) performance for $260 until the middle of next year, a full 4 years after the 5850 came out.

Ah well, I was including the fact that I am overclocked to >5870 levels...that makes it more like 40%. But your point is well taken. It is just hard to believe that 2-3 years later the same money buys just about the same power. The only thing that has changed since then seems to be that the price point for improving performance has just shifted upwards...and upwards.

Here's the perfect example, the new 7770 - quote from HardOCP review:

"We are left with a bit of an odd scenario. The HD 6870 delivers the same gameplay experience as the HD 7770, and it's less expensive than the HD 7770."

So years later you can buy a new card with the same performance...for the same or more money. Why would anyone today looking for something in the same price range not just find a used 2-year-old card and save some money? Or go crossfire/SLI?
 
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JAG87

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I am going to wait till I can get 50% more performance for the same price I paid for my 6950, be it Kepler, Tahiti, Maxwell, North Pole, Galileo Galilei, Sleeping Beauty or whatever it will be named

I got a lol out of this
 

Crap Daddy

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"We are left with a bit of an odd scenario. The HD 6870 delivers the same gameplay experience as the HD 7770, and it's less expensive than the HD 7770."

This is way out of proportions... in the wrong way. The 6870 is around 30% FASTER
 

blackened23

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This is way out of proportions... in the wrong way. The 6870 is around 30% FASTER

I can't disagree. The 7770 is a total disappointment, and I was actually looking forward to it being a great HTPC card. The 7750 might be nice since it doesn't require external power (and would work on a 350w psu), but meh.
 

XX55XX

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I have a GTX 560 Ti. It's enough for me at the moment (not that I game very much these days).
 

TidusZ

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Building new pc around ivybridge and a 30" LCD, so it depends on when it is coming out and how it compares to 7970. If it comes out by ~May or possibly June I'll wait and see, otherwise I duno. Maybe limp by on my 5870 in an otherwise top of the line PC until kepler comes out which should at least drive AMD prices down.
 

MaxPayne63

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Building new pc around ivybridge and a 30" LCD, so it depends on when it is coming out and how it compares to 7970. If it comes out by ~May or possibly June I'll wait and see, otherwise I duno. Maybe limp by on my 5870 in an otherwise top of the line PC until kepler comes out which should at least drive AMD prices down.

Yeah, this is almost exactly my situation except I haven't settled on a 27" or 30" LCD. Last year my electronics overkill budget went to audio stuff (mostly tv related), this year it's going to the PC.

Sort of unfortunate timing, though, since the only game I'm really interested in right now is Mass Effect 3.
 

MrTeal

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Here's the perfect example, the new 7770 - quote from HardOCP review:

"We are left with a bit of an odd scenario. The HD 6870 delivers the same gameplay experience as the HD 7770, and it's less expensive than the HD 7770."

So years later you can buy a new card with the same performance...for the same or more money. Why would anyone today looking for something in the same price range not just find a used 2-year-old card and save some money? Or go crossfire/SLI?

The HardOCP review is a strange one. They say the 7770 gives the same gameplay experience as the 6870, but these are the results from their tests for how much faster the stock 6870 is (Max Playable/Apples to Apples)
Batman:AC (11.3%/7.8%)
BF3 (16.8%/17.8%)
Skyrim (4.5%/16.3%)
DE:HR (26.5%/27.1%)
NFS:TR (11.1%/NA)

I would say that is a pretty substantial difference in performance. Even their XFX BEDD card only reached a 16% OC, which would barely put an OCed 7770 into the range of a stock 6870.
 
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