Waitress told me she wasnt happy with tip!

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alkemyst

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Feb 13, 2001
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Originally posted by: SolMiester

Okay, get ready for this, cause its gonna be a shocker. Europe, Asia, Australia & New Zealand, Waiter/ess's get paid by the hour a min wage. They also get depending on speed of service, friendiness and generous nature of the customer, a tip, from maybe $5 to 10-15% of bill. BUT, its a tip only, the customers way of saying, why thenk-you for great service (they might actually say to the waiter person, thank-you so much for a great meal, please share this with the chief for excellent food)...

The tipping system as a form of top up wages doesnt work, because it turns a gratitude into an obligation where you are judge and jury of someones work performance and that is not only the responsiblilty of the waiter..

Sol

Tipping was never meant to be a reward for EXCELLENT service. Tipping is in return for service. Excellent service would demand more than 15% in most cases.

You take a 5 star restaurant, you are usually served by a staff of waiters/waitresses...you are rarely waiting for anything. The food costs are higher, so that standard 15% is a bit. Service here should be better than the average to sub average restaurant most Americans (at least) seem to frequent and expect a red carpet to be rolled out for them. If you are paying only $5-7 for an entrée, you can't expect your drink to be always full unless you stop your server from time to time. These people are given more tables than normal to offset the lower food costs.

Problem is, is that 15% tip is still customary for them merely servicing you. If you don't like the service complain or do not go back. Just as an employer still has to pay a person for what they have already done even if they are firing them.

I personally think many that complain about the tipping system are either living beyond their means and should be eating food they have prepared themselves at home, or think they are the next 'J-Lo' or 'P-Diddy' and feel they are above common etiquette.

Yes, at least in America, the tipping system is designed as a form to 'top up' wages, but it was never meant to define service above and beyond customary for the level of establishment.

Å

 

daveymark

Lifer
Sep 15, 2003
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nominated for pwnage of the year. OP got PWNT by so many members in this thread. I'm not sure what's funnier, the OP's pathetic attempt at storytelling or the OP getting PWNT.

no reciept scan = PWNT
 

Iron Addict

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Jul 5, 2006
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i absolutely see nothing wrong with what you did... in fact 15% isn't a bad tip either... nonetheless, i probably wouldn't yelled back at the whore though..
 

jlbenedict

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Jul 10, 2005
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Here is another take on the tip system; I believe this system would work better:

For each table/customer served, a "Customer Satisfaction Card/Survey" be filled out.. nothing long.. just a brief, 4-5 question response.. "was the service good, etc.."

Manager at the end of night, tallies up the responses.. and based on the results, disperses "extra" income based on their performance to the waiters.

Totally eliminating the tip system.
 

Tremulant

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Jul 2, 2004
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She was out of line, but throwing a business card at her and yelling at her was also over the top. I would've spoken to the manager and removed the tip completely.

And kind of off-topic, but why has ATOT turned into a "if u don't prove it, ur PWNTED HAHAHLOLOL" kind-of place?
 

jlbenedict

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Jul 10, 2005
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Originally posted by: Tremulant
She was out of line, but throwing a business card at her and yelling at her was also over the top. I would've spoken to the manager and removed the tip completely.

And kind of off-topic, but why has ATOT turned into a "if u don't prove it, ur PWNTED HAHAHLOLOL" kind-of place?


Thats not just ATOT.. that is everywhere in life.. thats the way I see it too.. don't come at me with some BS, and not have anything to back it up..

 

Tremulant

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Jul 2, 2004
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Originally posted by: jlbenedict
Originally posted by: Tremulant
She was out of line, but throwing a business card at her and yelling at her was also over the top. I would've spoken to the manager and removed the tip completely.

And kind of off-topic, but why has ATOT turned into a "if u don't prove it, ur PWNTED HAHAHLOLOL" kind-of place?


Thats not just ATOT.. that is everywhere in life.. thats the way I see it too.. don't come at me with some BS, and not have anything to back it up..

I can understand wanting proof in real life, but not on a message board when the topic isn't informative. If the OP was claiming to have painted his car using the canadian equivalent of rustoleum, then I'd like some proof, but he's not. He's claiming that he received bad service, still left a 15% tip, and then had the waitress go nuts on him.
 

Ulfhednar

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Jun 24, 2006
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Here in the United Kingdom it is not customary to tip, and more often than not the waiter/waitress might even try to return the money you "dropped" during your meal. All I can say is thank God I don't have to put up with stupid wenches like the girl in the OP.
 

alkemyst

No Lifer
Feb 13, 2001
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Originally posted by: jlbenedict
Here is another take on the tip system; I believe this system would work better:

For each table/customer served, a "Customer Satisfaction Card/Survey" be filled out.. nothing long.. just a brief, 4-5 question response.. "was the service good, etc.."

Manager at the end of night, tallies up the responses.. and based on the results, disperses "extra" income based on their performance to the waiters.

Totally eliminating the tip system.


You are missing the point of why we have a tip system though. Americans mostly are looking for low cost food.

In Europe and Japan, you can't compare the lack of tip to our tip system as the food prices are higher and the staff is paid more. In the US, you are allowed to pay wait staff much less than minimum wage. However; if they make less than minimum wage the restaurant must make up the difference. The problem with this is it's hard to prove and extremely rare.

Å
 

raildogg

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Aug 24, 2004
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Well, ok but I think that was somehat rude to mention her wage, or your just assuming that is her wage. So what? What does it have to do with anything? Maybe you were just pissed off that you looked for a way to get back at her.
 

BoomerD

No Lifer
Feb 26, 2006
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Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: SolMiester

Okay, get ready for this, cause its gonna be a shocker. Europe, Asia, Australia & New Zealand, Waiter/ess's get paid by the hour a min wage. They also get depending on speed of service, friendiness and generous nature of the customer, a tip, from maybe $5 to 10-15% of bill. BUT, its a tip only, the customers way of saying, why thenk-you for great service (they might actually say to the waiter person, thank-you so much for a great meal, please share this with the chief for excellent food)...

The tipping system as a form of top up wages doesnt work, because it turns a gratitude into an obligation where you are judge and jury of someones work performance and that is not only the responsiblilty of the waiter..

Sol

Tipping was never meant to be a reward for EXCELLENT service. Tipping is in return for service. Excellent service would demand more than 15% in most cases.

You take a 5 star restaurant, you are usually served by a staff of waiters/waitresses...you are rarely waiting for anything. The food costs are higher, so that standard 15% is a bit. Service here should be better than the average to sub average restaurant most Americans (at least) seem to frequent and expect a red carpet to be rolled out for them. If you are paying only $5-7 for an entrée, you can't expect your drink to be always full unless you stop your server from time to time. These people are given more tables than normal to offset the lower food costs.

Problem is, is that 15% tip is still customary for them merely servicing you. If you don't like the service complain or do not go back. Just as an employer still has to pay a person for what they have already done even if they are firing them.

I personally think many that complain about the tipping system are either living beyond their means and should be eating food they have prepared themselves at home, or think they are the next 'J-Lo' or 'P-Diddy' and feel they are above common etiquette.

Yes, at least in America, the tipping system is designed as a form to 'top up' wages, but it was never meant to define service above and beyond customary for the level of establishment.

Å
Maybe that's the way the wait staff sees it, but TIP= To Insure Promptness to most of us, and tipping is NOT designed to supplement the crappy hourly wages restaurants pay, but rather, more of a reward for good (or better) service. To hear most servers tell it, tipping should be the law, and 20-25% should be automatically added to the check, so they don't get stiffed.
Nope, if you do a great job, you get a larger tip...do a mediocre job, you get less, and do a crappy job, you get 2 pennies...



edit:
ARRR, I sux at the quote....
 

Al Neri

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Jan 12, 2002
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Originally posted by: Ulfhednar
Here in the United Kingdom it is not customary to tip, and more often than not the waiter/waitress might even try to return the money you "dropped" during your meal. All I can say is thank God I don't have to put up with stupid wenches like the girl in the OP.

what is your tax rate?
 

archiloco

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Dec 10, 2004
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that was rude of her, usually i am very generous tipper(20-30%), but in that case i would of gone back and left 0%, and talked to manager.
 

jlbenedict

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Jul 10, 2005
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Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: jlbenedict
Here is another take on the tip system; I believe this system would work better:

For each table/customer served, a "Customer Satisfaction Card/Survey" be filled out.. nothing long.. just a brief, 4-5 question response.. "was the service good, etc.."

Manager at the end of night, tallies up the responses.. and based on the results, disperses "extra" income based on their performance to the waiters.

Totally eliminating the tip system.


You are missing the point of why we have a tip system though. Americans mostly are looking for low cost food.


If thats the case, American's should be eating at home. Eating out is expensive as hell.

 

Ulfhednar

Golden Member
Jun 24, 2006
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Originally posted by: Don Rodriguez
Originally posted by: Ulfhednar
Here in the United Kingdom it is not customary to tip, and more often than not the waiter/waitress might even try to return the money you "dropped" during your meal. All I can say is thank God I don't have to put up with stupid wenches like the girl in the OP.
what is your tax rate?
17.5% but food is easily cheap enough.
 

Pacemaker

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Jul 13, 2001
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I don't mind someone asking why they got a low tip if:

A) it actually is low aka < 10 - 12%

and

B) They are asking to impove how they serve not to get a bigger tip

I usually tip around 20-25% unless the server does something to cause me to tip less (in which case I am usually harsher than most, but I also normally tip more than most). Once I gave a server who had waited on me multiple times only the manditory 15% for having 8 or more people. He asked me what he did differently this time compaired to the other times he had waited on me. I told him it was nothing personal, but I find it rude and insulting to have the tip included in the bill, so I refuse to tip more than that. He seemed to be glad that he hadn't done a poor job and not upset at all about the tip. In that way you can ask about a tip, but otherwise it's better just to let it go.
 

alkemyst

No Lifer
Feb 13, 2001
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What probably really happened:

Receipt:

9/xx/2006 Server: Denise #/Party: 1


Order:

Qty
7 Shirley Temple $6.00


Tax
Tip

Total


-----------------------

Dude probably put his 'attorney' card with the check, with a 'Call me' on it and got p!ssed when she gave it back with the CC.

:beer:
 

CTrain

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Sep 26, 2001
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Damm, you people need to stop replying like the situation presented by the OP actually happenned.
Its all a SHEN !!
 

Perknose

Forum Director & Omnipotent Overlord
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Shazaaam, another renewable energy source discovered:

1) Post a BS tip story wherein some waitron disrespects your 'manhood'.

2)Carefully position your prefab windmills to catch the thunderous gusts of resultant hot air.

3)Profit.


Gotta say, NOTHING puffs out the sparrow-like chests of the ATOT militia like a spurious story about some wretched subaltern who wouldn't let one of them order offf the kids menu at IHOP.

"NO TIP FOR YOU", scream the few, the proud, the endlessly cheap, as they finally find someone in a lower position on the human food chain than them. BOY, are the other guys in my tier one help desk training class gonna' be impressed when I tell THIS tale of conquest and honor! :disgust:
 

Jack Ryan

Golden Member
Jun 11, 2004
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Originally posted by: alkemyst
What probably really happened:

Receipt:

9/xx/2006 Server: Denise #/Party: 1


Order:

Qty
7 Shirley Temple $6.00


Tax
Tip

Total


-----------------------

Dude probably put his 'attorney' card with the check, with a 'Call me' on it and got p!ssed when she gave it back with the CC.

:beer:

Absolutely hilarious:laugh:
 

moshquerade

No Lifer
Nov 1, 2001
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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: CTrain
Damm, you people need to stop replying like the situation presented by the OP actually happenned.
Its all a SHEN !!

But they have to show their hate for wait staff.
you like to bait dontcha? :laugh:

 
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