Originally posted by: meltdown75
that explains a lotOriginally posted by: nkgreen
Originally posted by: NFS4
I don't believe in slapping kids in the face, but I have no problem smacking them on the butt/leg. There's just something about slapping someone in the face that is offputting to me.
my mom has never slapped me in the face, but i've seen her lay a mean pimp slap on my sister when she seriously fucked up in her bitchy teen years. not in public though.
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: meltdown75
that explains a lotOriginally posted by: nkgreen
Originally posted by: NFS4
I don't believe in slapping kids in the face, but I have no problem smacking them on the butt/leg. There's just something about slapping someone in the face that is offputting to me.
my mom has never slapped me in the face, but i've seen her lay a mean pimp slap on my sister when she seriously fucked up in her bitchy teen years. not in public though.
can't slap through a bubble?
Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: QueBert
Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: mugs
Doesn't seem like an offense worthy of a felony charge, but I don't know how this guy thought it was acceptable to slap someone else's child.
Also, WTF @ the mother. First he warned her that he was going to shut the kid up, yet she didn't do anything when he approached the child?
You don't think society should employ a very strong deterrent to people who might lay hands on another's child, an act which would very likely be met with a response from the child's parent with an extreme escalation in violence? If a strange man slapped my kid (which I don't have yet) in a store for crying, I'd bury the motherfucker. That's why it's a felony.
it takes a village mentality. Everyone around can and should punish the child when the child acts up. When I was young my neighbors would slap me if I got out of line, my teachers could hit me with the paddle board. It wasn't a big deal back then. If my mom was around she would hit me, if she wasn't it was a teacher or whoever saw me acting up. There was no lecturing, there was no "time outs" 5 goosd swats on my ass with the paddle board when I was 6 worked wonders to get me in line. If I ever have a kid I will handle the punishment, but it would be good to know that others would step up when I'm not around and the child acts up. I guarantee if more people acted like this man in Wallmart, we'd have far less kids acting like this in public. Hell I remember being 7 and outside throw rocks at the train, a neighbor I didn't even know came up and slapped me. My mom probably thanked him for stepping up.
The fact that you admit you needed repeated and frequent beatings is surely testament to the efficacy of the repeated and frequent beatings.
Originally posted by: Codewiz
Originally posted by: Queasy
Children scream in any store. Doesn't matter if it is a Wal-Mart or not. I was in a Kroger last week and this little girl was screaming and throwing a hissy fit at the top of her lungs (little girl screams are the worse btw) because she wanted some coloring book. The Mother just stood there and went about her business and ignored the little girl. And this wasn't some down-trodden lower-income mother either. She and the daughter were well-dressed and I later saw them getting into a nice car in the parking lot
Have you had children?
There are times when parents must ignore the child throwing a hissy fit. If you cave to the child it just re-enforces the hissy fit behavior.
It sucks but a child has to learn that they don't get everything they want. And let me say there is a huge difference between a 9 month old and a 2 year old.
Just recently was the first time I had to take my son out of a restaurant because he was in a foul mood. At 9 months, there is only so much I can do. My only option was going outside. Parents who ignore their 1 year old screaming are just silly. It is a whole different ball game when the child gets older.
Originally posted by: Toasthead
Originally posted by: Codewiz
Originally posted by: Queasy
Children scream in any store. Doesn't matter if it is a Wal-Mart or not. I was in a Kroger last week and this little girl was screaming and throwing a hissy fit at the top of her lungs (little girl screams are the worse btw) because she wanted some coloring book. The Mother just stood there and went about her business and ignored the little girl. And this wasn't some down-trodden lower-income mother either. She and the daughter were well-dressed and I later saw them getting into a nice car in the parking lot
Have you had children?
There are times when parents must ignore the child throwing a hissy fit. If you cave to the child it just re-enforces the hissy fit behavior.
It sucks but a child has to learn that they don't get everything they want. And let me say there is a huge difference between a 9 month old and a 2 year old.
Just recently was the first time I had to take my son out of a restaurant because he was in a foul mood. At 9 months, there is only so much I can do. My only option was going outside. Parents who ignore their 1 year old screaming are just silly. It is a whole different ball game when the child gets older.
Its a common phsycological tactic called Extinction. With which comes the extinction burst in which the subject intensifies their attempt to get a response. When this fails, the 'hissy fit' ceases and the child ( or paitent) realizes this tactic is ineffective and ceases further attempts to use it.
it works REALLY well in children and mentally ill people.
Originally posted by: Codewiz
There are times when parents must ignore the child throwing a hissy fit. If you cave to the child it just re-enforces the hissy fit behavior.
It sucks but a child has to learn that they don't get everything they want. And let me say there is a huge difference between a 9 month old and a 2 year old.
Just recently was the first time I had to take my son out of a restaurant because he was in a foul mood. At 9 months, there is only so much I can do. My only option was going outside. Parents who ignore their 1 year old screaming are just silly. It is a whole different ball game when the child gets older.
Originally posted by: GCS
I have NEVER had my kids act up in the store but one time for each kid.
My kids are extremely well behaved when we go out. They know the rules and learned them very quickly.
Parents the ignore thing does not work at all. I have seen it used more times than I can count and yes the kid will eventually stop fussing but this can go on for 30+ mins (man these little guys have stamina ). Sure at some point after pulling this many times and being ignored the kid may or may not put 2 and 2 together and realize the fit thing is getting me nothing. Trust me I have seen this first hand with kids of family members and friends not just complete strangers.
I have been in the grocery store, Target, Wal-Mart, Best Buy , Kohls you name on more than one occasion where the kid did not get his/her way and the parents did nothing. Carried on about their business as if the child was not even there. My personal fav is the parents that let their kid rant on forever while they chat it up with a friend ignoring the kid completely.
Of course it gets even better when all the people this is bothering get verbally bitch slapped by the mom as they vacate the area with scorns on their faces. Gotta love that ... ignore the kid but threaten all others.
The Queasy method is works well and is certainly a fair and just way to handle it.
Greg
Originally posted by: Queasy
Children scream in any store. Doesn't matter if it is a Wal-Mart or not. I was in a Kroger last week and this little girl was screaming and throwing a hissy fit at the top of her lungs (little girl screams are the worse btw) because she wanted some coloring book. The Mother just stood there and went about her business and ignored the little girl. And this wasn't some down-trodden lower-income mother either. She and the daughter were well-dressed and I later saw them getting into a nice car in the parking lot
Originally posted by: QueBert
Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: QueBert
Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: mugs
Doesn't seem like an offense worthy of a felony charge, but I don't know how this guy thought it was acceptable to slap someone else's child.
Also, WTF @ the mother. First he warned her that he was going to shut the kid up, yet she didn't do anything when he approached the child?
You don't think society should employ a very strong deterrent to people who might lay hands on another's child, an act which would very likely be met with a response from the child's parent with an extreme escalation in violence? If a strange man slapped my kid (which I don't have yet) in a store for crying, I'd bury the motherfucker. That's why it's a felony.
it takes a village mentality. Everyone around can and should punish the child when the child acts up. When I was young my neighbors would slap me if I got out of line, my teachers could hit me with the paddle board. It wasn't a big deal back then. If my mom was around she would hit me, if she wasn't it was a teacher or whoever saw me acting up. There was no lecturing, there was no "time outs" 5 goosd swats on my ass with the paddle board when I was 6 worked wonders to get me in line. If I ever have a kid I will handle the punishment, but it would be good to know that others would step up when I'm not around and the child acts up. I guarantee if more people acted like this man in Wallmart, we'd have far less kids acting like this in public. Hell I remember being 7 and outside throw rocks at the train, a neighbor I didn't even know came up and slapped me. My mom probably thanked him for stepping up.
The fact that you admit you needed repeated and frequent beatings is surely testament to the efficacy of the repeated and frequent beatings.
I'm sure I would have ended up dead or in jail without the beatings. They kept me from progressing from a bad ass child into a hoodlum teenager. Actually, I know 100% that's what kept me from crossing major lines. I knew when enough was enough, without the beatings I would have gone a lot further. Even though beating didn't stop me from acting up, logic tells me that means lectures and "time outs" would have had zero impact on me.
Beatings are ALWAYS more effective than a time out. A lot of parents start with the time outs, and if they don't work they move up to spanking and possibly more physical things.
Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: QueBert
Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: QueBert
Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: mugs
Doesn't seem like an offense worthy of a felony charge, but I don't know how this guy thought it was acceptable to slap someone else's child.
Also, WTF @ the mother. First he warned her that he was going to shut the kid up, yet she didn't do anything when he approached the child?
You don't think society should employ a very strong deterrent to people who might lay hands on another's child, an act which would very likely be met with a response from the child's parent with an extreme escalation in violence? If a strange man slapped my kid (which I don't have yet) in a store for crying, I'd bury the motherfucker. That's why it's a felony.
it takes a village mentality. Everyone around can and should punish the child when the child acts up. When I was young my neighbors would slap me if I got out of line, my teachers could hit me with the paddle board. It wasn't a big deal back then. If my mom was around she would hit me, if she wasn't it was a teacher or whoever saw me acting up. There was no lecturing, there was no "time outs" 5 goosd swats on my ass with the paddle board when I was 6 worked wonders to get me in line. If I ever have a kid I will handle the punishment, but it would be good to know that others would step up when I'm not around and the child acts up. I guarantee if more people acted like this man in Wallmart, we'd have far less kids acting like this in public. Hell I remember being 7 and outside throw rocks at the train, a neighbor I didn't even know came up and slapped me. My mom probably thanked him for stepping up.
The fact that you admit you needed repeated and frequent beatings is surely testament to the efficacy of the repeated and frequent beatings.
I'm sure I would have ended up dead or in jail without the beatings. They kept me from progressing from a bad ass child into a hoodlum teenager. Actually, I know 100% that's what kept me from crossing major lines. I knew when enough was enough, without the beatings I would have gone a lot further. Even though beating didn't stop me from acting up, logic tells me that means lectures and "time outs" would have had zero impact on me.
Beatings are ALWAYS more effective than a time out. A lot of parents start with the time outs, and if they don't work they move up to spanking and possibly more physical things.
Your analysis sounds very scientific. You should write a book.
Originally posted by: jackson2009
if someone done that too my child i would batter them
Originally posted by: Modelworks
Originally posted by: Queasy
Children scream in any store. Doesn't matter if it is a Wal-Mart or not. I was in a Kroger last week and this little girl was screaming and throwing a hissy fit at the top of her lungs (little girl screams are the worse btw) because she wanted some coloring book. The Mother just stood there and went about her business and ignored the little girl. And this wasn't some down-trodden lower-income mother either. She and the daughter were well-dressed and I later saw them getting into a nice car in the parking lot
And that is the way you should handle it.
If you have never had children going through the terrible twos then you can't understand. They will do anything to get your attention to get their way. If you ignore them, they learn that the tactic of crying and throwing fits doesn't work and that listening and talking are more effective.
If the child continues for more than a few minutes then I leave the store with the child, telling them that they will not get what they want that way.
Originally posted by: QueBert
Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: QueBert
Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: QueBert
Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: mugs
Doesn't seem like an offense worthy of a felony charge, but I don't know how this guy thought it was acceptable to slap someone else's child.
Also, WTF @ the mother. First he warned her that he was going to shut the kid up, yet she didn't do anything when he approached the child?
You don't think society should employ a very strong deterrent to people who might lay hands on another's child, an act which would very likely be met with a response from the child's parent with an extreme escalation in violence? If a strange man slapped my kid (which I don't have yet) in a store for crying, I'd bury the motherfucker. That's why it's a felony.
it takes a village mentality. Everyone around can and should punish the child when the child acts up. When I was young my neighbors would slap me if I got out of line, my teachers could hit me with the paddle board. It wasn't a big deal back then. If my mom was around she would hit me, if she wasn't it was a teacher or whoever saw me acting up. There was no lecturing, there was no "time outs" 5 goosd swats on my ass with the paddle board when I was 6 worked wonders to get me in line. If I ever have a kid I will handle the punishment, but it would be good to know that others would step up when I'm not around and the child acts up. I guarantee if more people acted like this man in Wallmart, we'd have far less kids acting like this in public. Hell I remember being 7 and outside throw rocks at the train, a neighbor I didn't even know came up and slapped me. My mom probably thanked him for stepping up.
The fact that you admit you needed repeated and frequent beatings is surely testament to the efficacy of the repeated and frequent beatings.
I'm sure I would have ended up dead or in jail without the beatings. They kept me from progressing from a bad ass child into a hoodlum teenager. Actually, I know 100% that's what kept me from crossing major lines. I knew when enough was enough, without the beatings I would have gone a lot further. Even though beating didn't stop me from acting up, logic tells me that means lectures and "time outs" would have had zero impact on me.
Beatings are ALWAYS more effective than a time out. A lot of parents start with the time outs, and if they don't work they move up to spanking and possibly more physical things.
Your analysis sounds very scientific. You should write a book.
It's more scientific than parents who think ignoring the kid and letting them scream themselves until they're too tired to do it anymore is actually teaching them something. Without punishment children don't learn. ignoring them isn't close to a punishment. If the parent would slap them good in the store, the kid might cry louder for a few seconds from the shock of what happened. But they'll understand if they act up in public they'll get hit. The majority of kids will learn real fast and the majority won't be doing it any more. I never acted up around adults out of fear of getting slapped, I always would be a bad ass when I was only around other kids and where I thought no adults would see me.