Wall prototypes - which one do you like ?

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trenchfoot

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I find the two tone concrete bottom with blue steel upper to be quite fashionable. Notice the rounded upper lip prevents a grappling hook from latching onto it to deter rappelling. Now if we could only paint a smiley face or something on it then we'd be all set.

Really though we do need them along populated areas to prevent illegal crossings. I lived along the border for over 6 years and witnessed illegal crossings first hand. They would just cut holes in the chain-link fence in El Paso at will and on any given day you could watch people coming and going unimpeded.

The welcome mat is out from all of those businesses that like the work ethic of those folks and really like the nice profits they get from paying slave labor wages to them. The fence is symbolic of the conflict between the folks who make a nice profit from the foreigners that cross the border illegally and the people that feel threatened by these uninvited guests.

Somewhere somehow it's been deemed acceptable that breaking the law by hiring uninvited guests from the other side of the border is A-OK and should be allowed because it's good for business, but having the foreigners crossing the border illegally to fill the demand for their services is a big no-no when both sides should be prosecuted equally or, not at all. Such is not the case.

In between these law breaking employers and the exploited employees who have no papers are the rest of us citizens who get more or less affected by this illegally conspired occupational relationship depending on how close we are to the border and how much our wages (up or down) and lifestyles get affected by that relationship.

Seeing as if those businesses are reaping the profits from this acceptable yet not acceptable relationship, I'd very much like for these businesses to pay for Trump's Great Wall of America (including Trump himself) seeing as if they're the ones who are the primary beneficiaries of such labor, with the federal gov't being complicit via their refusal to go after those immigration law breaking businesses with the same zest and zeal as they do with hunting down these undocumented "job stealers".

More boots and eyes on the ground seems to be the most cost effective way to go, but building a wall somehow seems to buy a lot more votes than having more border security forces in place would.

Seeing as if you're right on the border and are directly affected by the aforementioned conflict of interests between businesses who like illegal labor and those folks who don't want these border hoppers breaking the law, I'd very much like know your thoughts on the matter. However I wouldn't want to jack this thread, so I'll keep this mind and when the occasion arises, let's discuss.
 

trenchfoot

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Knowing how those idiots function, they'll likely go with this one as-is:


Would work great for stopping drug runners in low flying helicopters or planes so there should be the usual red blinking lights at the post tops to warn them.
 

Puffnstuff

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More boots and eyes on the ground seems to be the most cost effective way to go, but building a wall somehow seems to buy a lot more votes than having more border security forces in place would.
They've already gone the more boots on the ground route with little effect. My cousin was a Marine stationed on the border and they could only report crossings. Remember the shepherd being shot by them while assisting the border patrol? I was there for Operation Hold the Line which should've really been named Operation Meet at a single suburban so we can drink coffee and shoot the breeze.
http://www.nytimes.com/1997/06/22/us/marine-to-be-charged-in-border-shooting.html

Seeing as if you're right on the border and are directly affected by the aforementioned conflict of interests between businesses who like illegal labor and those folks who don't want these border hoppers breaking the law, I'd very much like know your thoughts on the matter. However I wouldn't want to jack this thread, so I'll keep this mind and when the occasion arises, let's discuss.
Yes businesses who employee illegals are breaking the law but I their punishment is really just a slap on the wrist. I've had friends along the AZ border tell me of how illegals kept breaking into their homes and stealing their things while they were at work on a regular basis and they wanted tougher enforcement. The law needs to be enforced in its entirety rather than picking and choosing something to show progress on today while ignoring the other items right in front of you.
 
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ultimatebob

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We will likely spend billions on these walls... and the Mexican smugglers will probably spend just a few thousand bucks to send drugs over the wall with drones or some sort of a catapult.

The Trumpster needs to read a history book... the "bad hombres" of this world learned how to defeat defensive walls over 2,000 years ago. He would be better off just putting solar cells on the damn thing and calling it a "green energy" project, but then he would probably lose the West Virginia redneck coal miner vote.
 

Puffnstuff

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Maybe they could mount flaming ball catapults on top of the wall to hurl them at would be breachers. Or they could put big advertising screens on top with our best televangelists spewing 24/7.
 
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We will likely spend billions on these walls... and the Mexican smugglers will probably spend just a few thousand bucks to send drugs over the wall with drones or some sort of a catapult.

The Trumpster needs to read a history book... the "bad hombres" of this world learned how to defeat defensive walls over 2,000 years ago. He would be better off just putting solar cells on the damn thing and calling it a "green energy" project, but then he would probably lose the West Virginia redneck coal miner vote.
drumpf... read.. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahaha... drumpf comprehend something beyond his physical frame.. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
 

UglyCasanova

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He's not ignorant, you are. The only reason Americans refuse to do certain jobs is because they can. They have tax payers who pay for them to not work and they have illegal immigrants aplenty to make sure certain jobs pay too little to bother with.


Exactly.
 

Jhhnn

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He's not ignorant, you are. The only reason Americans refuse to do certain jobs is because they can. They have tax payers who pay for them to not work and they have illegal immigrants aplenty to make sure certain jobs pay too little to bother with.

So we should deprive needy Americans of temporary assistance so that the financial elite can keep more money?

Do they really need more money?
 

trenchfoot

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At this point in time what with Trump being so desperate to get something in his win column, I'm more than surprised that Trump hasn't declared that His Wall is a long awaited grand phoenix of a "New Alamo" with all of the hype and patriotic drivel that goes with it.

What wall that I'd like? A wall that would keep our businesses from crossing the border over to the Mexican side. At least that would have these businesses hiring a few Americans for posing in the display windows out front even though they'd be hiring as many undocumented folks that they could sneak in through the back door.
 

Puffnstuff

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At this point in time what with Trump being so desperate to get something in his win column, I'm more than surprised that Trump hasn't declared that His Wall is a long awaited grand phoenix of a "New Alamo" with all of the hype and patriotic drivel that goes with it.
When I read that I had a vision of a wall comprised of giant capital letters all strung together to form the same word over and over again with giant metal grates in between them to prevent passage. Care to guess what word I'm thinking of? (hint - the bold letters give it away)
 
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http://www.azcentral.com/story/news...president-donald-trump-border-wall/747998001/
They put up 8 prototypes for the border wall. Can any of them work?
I originally thought/ hoped in March of 2016 that the wall would be completed in 9 months. It has been 9 months. We do have prototypes, but that is NOT a completed wall. If the wall gets completed it will surely only be after a vicious fight in the capital.
Since I was wrong, I am reporting for my punishment. I'm betting I can count on you.

Jim
It's too tough to tell at this point, no specs nor costs per mile. Hopefully they can get moving on it soon. We'll see.
 

ch33zw1z

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How much did Mexico say they would cover? I can safely assume all of it since we have the bigliest deal maker in charge, right?
 

outriding

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The only thing that is going thru my head is a monty python skit where a bunch of Mexicans pile into a giant wooden rabbit. They wheel it to the wall and the border guards let it in then during the night all the Mexicans just leave and go the rest of the way into the USA.
 

indydude345

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I don't get much into politics, but when I heard about this wall, I have to say... I was most intrigued with the idea. Didn't even think it was possible and now look where we are.
 

Puffnstuff

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I don't get much into politics, but when I heard about this wall, I have to say... I was most intrigued with the idea. Didn't even think it was possible and now look where we are.
The only walls Donald was able to build quickly were the ones around his Irish golf resort and himself.
 
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