Wall prototypes - which one do you like ?

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brycejones

Lifer
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Disappointed none of them have badgers on top that are deployed when someone tries to scale the wall.
 

brycejones

Lifer
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Knowing how those idiots function, they'll likely go with this one as-is:


What can't see is the force field that is the actual wall. The good news is CBP will be able to see the drug mule catapults and not get hit in the head by the drug bundles and ISIS terrorists being tossed over the wall.
 

UglyCasanova

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Mar 25, 2001
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http://www.azcentral.com/story/news...president-donald-trump-border-wall/747998001/
They put up 8 prototypes for the border wall. Can any of them work?
I originally thought/ hoped in March of 2016 that the wall would be completed in 9 months. It has been 9 months. We do have prototypes, but that is NOT a completed wall. If the wall gets completed it will surely only be after a vicious fight in the capital.
Since I was wrong, I am reporting for my punishment. I'm betting I can count on you.

Jim


I don’t like any of them, I’d much rather implement an everification system, get rid of anchor babies, beef up border patrol and ICE, reform immigration, etc. The wall is just a waste of money that’s won’t fix the problem.
 

ch33zw1z

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border patrol is pretty corrupt. theres a pbs doc about it, iirc. stemming from the mass hiring under Bush admin, security and background checks were being rushed, some bad hombres were being hired.
 

GagHalfrunt

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border patrol is pretty corrupt. theres a pbs doc about it, iirc. stemming from the mass hiring under Bush admin, security and background checks were being rushed, some bad hombres were being hired.

It's like president of a Home Owners Association. There's no way to avoid bad hombres being hired, anyone that would want the job should not be allowed to have it.
 

K1052

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I don’t like any of them, I’d much rather implement an everification system, get rid of anchor babies, beef up border patrol and ICE, reform immigration, etc. The wall is just a waste of money that’s won’t fix the problem.

This still misses the actual problem which is the economic and political stability of Mexico plus the increasingly inescapable fact that there are jobs Americans aren't willing to do that Mexicans/Central Americans are.
 

GagHalfrunt

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This still misses the actual problem which is the economic and political stability of Mexico plus the increasingly inescapable fact that there are jobs Americans aren't willing to do that Mexicans/Central Americans are.

That misses the real problem. There are jobs that Americans don't want to do because the pay is not commensurate with the working conditions. And the pay/working conditions don't need to be scaled to balance because there are illegals willing to do them at a reduced rate. In the real world if you eliminate the labor force that drives down the pay scale those jobs would be better and they could be filled with Americans. The political stability of Mexico is only an ancillary factor. It's the fact that jobs and benefits exist for illegals that drives them here. Remove the pot of gold and nobody bothers to follow the rainbow. Illegal immigrants should be given a one way ticket home, not free health care. And anyone that hires them should be given a one way ticket to jail. That fixes the problem without a wall.
 
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Puffnstuff

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I don’t like any of them, I’d much rather implement an everification system, get rid of anchor babies, beef up border patrol and ICE, reform immigration, etc. The wall is just a waste of money that’s won’t fix the problem.
It will take a combination of things to correct the problem.
border patrol is pretty corrupt. theres a pbs doc about it, iirc. stemming from the mass hiring under Bush admin, security and background checks were being rushed, some bad hombres were being hired.
I remember during Operation Hold The Line how they just parked their suburbans on the border and huddled together at one vehicle. The entire time illegals were sneaking past them using them for cover and they didn't seem to care. All I could do was shake me head and go about my own job.
 

K1052

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That misses the real problem. There are jobs that Americans don't want to do because the pay is not commensurate with the working conditions. And the pay/working conditions don't need to be scaled to balance because there are illegals willing to do them at a reduced rate. In the real world if you eliminate the labor force that drives down the pay scale those jobs would be better and they could be filled with Americans. The political stability of Mexico is only an ancillary factor. It's the fact that jobs and benefits exist for illegals that drives them here. Remove the pot of gold and nobody bothers to follow the rainbow. Illegal immigrants should be given a one way ticket home, not free health care. And anyone that hires them should be given a one way ticket to jail. That fixes the problem without a wall.

A nation that has kittens when gas goes up a fifty cents isn't prepared for the reality of what would happen to costs if we tried to boot the millions of illegals doing the work out and hire Americans to replace them. Consumers are trained to expect low prices and business owners/investors expect good margins made possible by this underclass. This is why both parties have declined to really do anything about the issue for decades.
 

soundforbjt

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A nation that has kittens when gas goes up a fifty cents isn't prepared for the reality of what would happen to costs if we tried to boot the millions of illegals doing the work out and hire Americans to replace them. Consumers are trained to expect low prices and business owners/investors expect good margins made possible by this underclass. This is why both parties have declined to really do anything about the issue for decades.
Plus, no one would lock up the job creators. It's far easier to blame the people taking those jobs.
 

Puffnstuff

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I think they should add a hot lava dispenser to the top of it allowing the molten goo to flow down the MX side of the wall. If we could get a river of lava going over there nobody would want to cross the border. Then when it cooled the inhabitants could bag it up and sell it back to us for landscaping decoration.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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What are they thinking? Everyone knows you have to build at least a two-block wall overhang or a one-block floor overhang to avoid invaders climbing and killing your dwarves. In addition, you need overhangs on your battlements to prevent your archers (snipers?) from jumping over and engaging the invaders in melee.

http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Climber

Like friggin amateur hour over here. How can you expect to defend a keep with such shoddy fortifications, much less an entire country.
 

UglyCasanova

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This still misses the actual problem which is the economic and political stability of Mexico plus the increasingly inescapable fact that there are jobs Americans aren't willing to do that Mexicans/Central Americans are.


When there are jobless Americans out there I find it hard to believe that we have this wide swath of jobs Americans refuse to do.
 

Puffnstuff

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What if we made a snake wall using a vast collection of our most poisonous critters? Would they be left alone or would the mexicans eat them plus make hats, shoes and belts from their skins?
 

GagHalfrunt

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Like friggin amateur hour over here. How can you expect to defend a keep with such shoddy fortifications, much less an entire country.

You hire lots of elves and Klingons to man (okay, I know that's the wrong word) the wall and have one of those cool swinging scythe things every 10 feet. It's not rocket science, everything will be fine until the Mexicans get a dragon.

 
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GagHalfrunt

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and you're allowed to be ignorant.

He's not ignorant, you are. The only reason Americans refuse to do certain jobs is because they can. They have tax payers who pay for them to not work and they have illegal immigrants aplenty to make sure certain jobs pay too little to bother with.
 

Snarf Snarf

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What is this magical pot of gold everyone speaks of? I get the impression a lot of you guys have a large misunderstanding on what the average life of an undocumented immigrant entails. It's mostly parents working 2-3 jobs each barely able to put food on the table. They do not receive free health care in anyway different than you or I would ie they can go to an ER and receive treatment and have no intentions to pay for because they can't afford it (literally no different than lots of Americans do) and eat the credit hit and debt.

The only immigrants receiving welfare are the legal ones, there is no mythical undocumented immigrant that pulls welfare from the system while stealing jobs. The reality is that lots of American's don't want to do manual labor for low wage. Employers love Mexican immigrants, they'll do twice as much work for less pay than natives will because they actually struggle to survive. Most of them are here because they fled the border due to the extreme violence going on there right now and want to live in a place where their children can choose a life other than being a member of the cartel.

If the wall gets built it is going to be an economic disaster for this country. It does nothing to solve the issue of the 11 million people already here, and it's still not a deterrent for those willing to take the riskiest options of getting across the border (coyotes, boats, and smuggling in cargo). It also does nothing to address the demand for illegal drugs in this country, as long as there's billions of dollars to be made in illegal drug sales there will always be officials who can be bought to turn a blind eye.
 

Stokely

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Where there is a demand, there will be a supply. No wall can ever work, even if we bankrupt ourselves to build one. Or haven't we learned anything from the War on Drugs?

Not to mention, I don't think I've ever heard an actual reasoned argument about the "problem" the wall is solving, other than ILLEGALS BAD!!! If I heard one, I might be more supportive of something like a wall, assuming there was one that actually was effective...but instead we just get base scaremongering. I'll always oppose that no matter what.
 
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