Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Originally posted by: Zebo
Union is the only way to fly if you work for someone else.... Alone, workers don't have sh1t unless they have exceptional or irreplacable skills...or work the government of course, which takes a serious felony conviction to get fired. Or three.
Hey, I'm a Systems Engineer and I've never worked Union, never will. Decent pay, good treatment (though I have worked at a couple of cruddy places, I've never stayed long) and no dues to pay to the corrupt Union leaders.
Union made sense 50 years ago. Today it's just corruption and politics.
Jason
You remind me of my brother-in-law who is 12 years younger then me. He was all against unions and thought that the employer could do whatever they wanted. He was fond of saying "I'd work at McDonalds flipping burgers if I had to".
That was 20 years ago. He's married with 4 kids now. He works in maintenance for 3M and his wife works for Kraft. They both have been worked so hard that their bodies are starting to fall apart. The plant he works at is looking for excuses to get rid of senior people. They just fired a guy with 35 years in, 3 months before he was eligible to retire. The reason? He sent an inapropiate email from work. He passed along an email he recieved, maybe you've seen it?? It was the one at a construction site where a small crane lifts up a load of pipe? or bars? and tips over a portable outhouse with someone in it. I'm not kidding.
Now he understands why unions are nessecary evil. You will to someday, I just hope it isn't too late by then.
FYI, he's not just some dummy, he has 2 years trtaining from a vo-tech in hydraulics and another 2 years in robotics. You know the big King Kong at Disneyworld in Florida. He spent 3 months there constructing it and he was the boss in charge.
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: piasabird
I was a union worker and I have worked in a factory that had no union and I got a slightly higher wage at the union shop, but they treated us like dogs. Might be that we would have been treated like dogs without the union. However I think a union is often counter productive. A union makes it hard to fire low-life scum. We had people that would call off work 2 and 3 times a month because they got tired of being forced to work a lot of overtime. The union benefits were so cost prohibitive that they would rather make you work overtime than hire another laborer.
That's funny. You ought to work in a non-union shop in a right-to-work state. If you like overtime, you'll like working here. The really funny part is that just before the yearly wage increase they are all gloom and doom. You can set your watch by it.
If unions are so bad for the employees I wonder why managment fights and lies so hard against them?? That's another thing you can set your watch by.
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Originally posted by: Zebo
Union is the only way to fly if you work for someone else.... Alone, workers don't have sh1t unless they have exceptional or irreplacable skills...or work the government of course, which takes a serious felony conviction to get fired. Or three.
Hey, I'm a Systems Engineer and I've never worked Union, never will. Decent pay, good treatment (though I have worked at a couple of cruddy places, I've never stayed long) and no dues to pay to the corrupt Union leaders.
Union made sense 50 years ago. Today it's just corruption and politics.
Jason
You remind me of my brother-in-law who is 12 years younger then me. He was all against unions and thought that the employer could do whatever they wanted. He was fond of saying "I'd work at McDonalds flipping burgers if I had to".
That was 20 years ago. He's married with 4 kids now. He works in maintenance for 3M and his wife works for Kraft. They both have been worked so hard that their bodies are starting to fall apart. The plant he works at is looking for excuses to get rid of senior people. They just fired a guy with 35 years in, 3 months before he was eligible to retire. The reason? He sent an inapropiate email from work. He passed along an email he recieved, maybe you've seen it?? It was the one at a construction site where a small crane lifts up a load of pipe? or bars? and tips over a portable outhouse with someone in it. I'm not kidding.
Now he understands why unions are nessecary evil. You will to someday, I just hope it isn't too late by then.
FYI, he's not just some dummy, he has 2 years trtaining from a vo-tech in hydraulics and another 2 years in robotics. You know the big King Kong at Disneyworld in Florida. He spent 3 months there constructing it and he was the boss in charge.
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Originally posted by: Zebo
Union is the only way to fly if you work for someone else.... Alone, workers don't have sh1t unless they have exceptional or irreplacable skills...or work the government of course, which takes a serious felony conviction to get fired. Or three.
Hey, I'm a Systems Engineer and I've never worked Union, never will. Decent pay, good treatment (though I have worked at a couple of cruddy places, I've never stayed long) and no dues to pay to the corrupt Union leaders.
Union made sense 50 years ago. Today it's just corruption and politics.
Jason
You remind me of my brother-in-law who is 12 years younger then me. He was all against unions and thought that the employer could do whatever they wanted. He was fond of saying "I'd work at McDonalds flipping burgers if I had to".
That was 20 years ago. He's married with 4 kids now. He works in maintenance for 3M and his wife works for Kraft. They both have been worked so hard that their bodies are starting to fall apart. The plant he works at is looking for excuses to get rid of senior people. They just fired a guy with 35 years in, 3 months before he was eligible to retire. The reason? He sent an inapropiate email from work. He passed along an email he recieved, maybe you've seen it?? It was the one at a construction site where a small crane lifts up a load of pipe? or bars? and tips over a portable outhouse with someone in it. I'm not kidding.
Now he understands why unions are nessecary evil. You will to someday, I just hope it isn't too late by then.
FYI, he's not just some dummy, he has 2 years trtaining from a vo-tech in hydraulics and another 2 years in robotics. You know the big King Kong at Disneyworld in Florida. He spent 3 months there constructing it and he was the boss in charge.
They just fired a guy with 35 years in, 3 months before he was eligible to retire.
What??? 35 years and 3 months to be able to retire?
Normally it is 20 years to retire form a Company.
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Originally posted by: Zebo
Union is the only way to fly if you work for someone else.... Alone, workers don't have sh1t unless they have exceptional or irreplacable skills...or work the government of course, which takes a serious felony conviction to get fired. Or three.
Hey, I'm a Systems Engineer and I've never worked Union, never will. Decent pay, good treatment (though I have worked at a couple of cruddy places, I've never stayed long) and no dues to pay to the corrupt Union leaders.
Union made sense 50 years ago. Today it's just corruption and politics.
Jason
You remind me of my brother-in-law who is 12 years younger then me. He was all against unions and thought that the employer could do whatever they wanted. He was fond of saying "I'd work at McDonalds flipping burgers if I had to".
That was 20 years ago. He's married with 4 kids now. He works in maintenance for 3M and his wife works for Kraft. They both have been worked so hard that their bodies are starting to fall apart. The plant he works at is looking for excuses to get rid of senior people. They just fired a guy with 35 years in, 3 months before he was eligible to retire. The reason? He sent an inapropiate email from work. He passed along an email he recieved, maybe you've seen it?? It was the one at a construction site where a small crane lifts up a load of pipe? or bars? and tips over a portable outhouse with someone in it. I'm not kidding.
Now he understands why unions are nessecary evil. You will to someday, I just hope it isn't too late by then.
FYI, he's not just some dummy, he has 2 years trtaining from a vo-tech in hydraulics and another 2 years in robotics. You know the big King Kong at Disneyworld in Florida. He spent 3 months there constructing it and he was the boss in charge.
They just fired a guy with 35 years in, 3 months before he was eligible to retire.
What??? 35 years and 3 months to be able to retire?
Normally it is 20 years to retire form a Company.
He started with 3M basically right out of high school but he couldn't retire until he was 55. He was 3 months away. It's a true story and it just happened. He worked maintenance with my brother-in-law.
Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Originally posted by: Zebo
Union is the only way to fly if you work for someone else.... Alone, workers don't have sh1t unless they have exceptional or irreplacable skills...or work the government of course, which takes a serious felony conviction to get fired. Or three.
Hey, I'm a Systems Engineer and I've never worked Union, never will. Decent pay, good treatment (though I have worked at a couple of cruddy places, I've never stayed long) and no dues to pay to the corrupt Union leaders.
Union made sense 50 years ago. Today it's just corruption and politics.
Jason
You remind me of my brother-in-law who is 12 years younger then me. He was all against unions and thought that the employer could do whatever they wanted. He was fond of saying "I'd work at McDonalds flipping burgers if I had to".
That was 20 years ago. He's married with 4 kids now. He works in maintenance for 3M and his wife works for Kraft. They both have been worked so hard that their bodies are starting to fall apart. The plant he works at is looking for excuses to get rid of senior people. They just fired a guy with 35 years in, 3 months before he was eligible to retire. The reason? He sent an inapropiate email from work. He passed along an email he recieved, maybe you've seen it?? It was the one at a construction site where a small crane lifts up a load of pipe? or bars? and tips over a portable outhouse with someone in it. I'm not kidding.
Now he understands why unions are nessecary evil. You will to someday, I just hope it isn't too late by then.
FYI, he's not just some dummy, he has 2 years trtaining from a vo-tech in hydraulics and another 2 years in robotics. You know the big King Kong at Disneyworld in Florida. He spent 3 months there constructing it and he was the boss in charge.
You know, I feel sorry for your brother, I really do. Everyone has a sob story to tell, and everyone could have a better outcome. If your brother is so skilled though, he could certainly find better work than maintenance (I assume you mean maintenance as in Janitorial?). Where I work we hire new machinists and engineers pretty frequently, all of whom get paid well and we are NOT a union shop. Hell, my company isn't even publicly traded, and they pay 75% of our insurance bennies! Not bad!
Jason
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Sounds to me like grounds for a Lawsuit.
Granted Corporations have all the rights now but this situation was not a work performance issue. He should be able to say, hey take 3 months salary off the top and let him retire.
The Company should not have the right to say 34 years + 9 months never happened over such a Bullsh!t reason.
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Sounds to me like grounds for a Lawsuit.
Granted Corporations have all the rights now but this situation was not a work performance issue. He should be able to say, hey take 3 months salary off the top and let him retire.
The Company should not have the right to say 34 years + 9 months never happened over such a Bullsh!t reason.
He can certainly try that option. If I were him I'd talk to a lawyer about it. I don't think he'd have any luck with the 34 years and 9 months approach, but he might be able to show they fired him friviously to avoid paying his pension. It would take a heck of a lawyer to fight someone as big as 3M though. I've never meet the man, but as I said it just happened. I visited my in-laws last week-end and heard about it. Hopefully he doesn't go "postal".
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Maryland Governor Vetoes Wal-Mart Bill and puts Walmart ahead of it's citizens.
5-20-2005 Maryland Governor Vetoes Wal-Mart Bill
The retail giant plans a distribution center in this lower Eastern Shore town.
The Fair Share Health Care Act, passed by lawmakers in April, would require a company with more than 10,000 employees to spend at least 8 percent of its payroll on health care benefits or pay more into the state Medicaid fund. Currently, only Wal-Mart fits that criterion.
Wal-Mart could reconsider the plan if the General Assembly overrides the veto when it reconvenes in January, said Castro-Wright. The Senate passed the bill with enough votes to override a veto, while the House margin was just short of the number needed for an override.
"Gov. Ehrlich should be ashamed for literally standing with big corporate interests rather than Maryland's working families"
Originally posted by: fornax
X-Man, the US economy is so far from free-market that it's not even funny. In a free-market economy Walmart can fund the improvements to its HQ from its own pocket, not from the taxpayer's pocket. Sounds like you're advocating corporate welfare, X-man.
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Maryland Governor Vetoes Wal-Mart Bill and puts Walmart ahead of it's citizens.
5-20-2005 Maryland Governor Vetoes Wal-Mart Bill
The retail giant plans a distribution center in this lower Eastern Shore town.
The Fair Share Health Care Act, passed by lawmakers in April, would require a company with more than 10,000 employees to spend at least 8 percent of its payroll on health care benefits or pay more into the state Medicaid fund. Currently, only Wal-Mart fits that criterion.
Wal-Mart could reconsider the plan if the General Assembly overrides the veto when it reconvenes in January, said Castro-Wright. The Senate passed the bill with enough votes to override a veto, while the House margin was just short of the number needed for an override.
"Gov. Ehrlich should be ashamed for literally standing with big corporate interests rather than Maryland's working families"
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Maryland Governor Vetoes Wal-Mart Bill and puts Walmart ahead of it's citizens.
5-20-2005 Maryland Governor Vetoes Wal-Mart Bill
The retail giant plans a distribution center in this lower Eastern Shore town.
The Fair Share Health Care Act, passed by lawmakers in April, would require a company with more than 10,000 employees to spend at least 8 percent of its payroll on health care benefits or pay more into the state Medicaid fund. Currently, only Wal-Mart fits that criterion.
Wal-Mart could reconsider the plan if the General Assembly overrides the veto when it reconvenes in January, said Castro-Wright. The Senate passed the bill with enough votes to override a veto, while the House margin was just short of the number needed for an override.
"Gov. Ehrlich should be ashamed for literally standing with big corporate interests rather than Maryland's working families"
Jobs at the distribution center pay reasonably well. Much better than retail outlet anyway...
Originally posted by: nergee
Starting pay at the distribution center near me is ~$11.00/hr..........................
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: nergee
Starting pay at the distribution center near me is ~$11.00/hr..........................
With or without health benefits?
If no health benfits is $11hr enough to purchase health benefits while still providing roof overhead, food, transporation (and associated tranportation costs such as insurance, gas etc) and clothing???
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: nergee
Starting pay at the distribution center near me is ~$11.00/hr..........................
With or without health benefits?
If no health benfits is $11hr enough to purchase health benefits while still providing roof overhead, food, transporation (and associated tranportation costs such as insurance, gas etc) and clothing???
Walmart has benefits....
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: nergee
Starting pay at the distribution center near me is ~$11.00/hr..........................
With or without health benefits?
If no health benfits is $11hr enough to purchase health benefits while still providing roof overhead, food, transporation (and associated tranportation costs such as insurance, gas etc) and clothing???
Walmart has benefits....
How much out of pocket for the employees? 100%, 80% 50% what?????
Wal-Mart workers can buy individual coverage for as low as $15.25 every two weeks and family coverage for $66.25, Fogleman said. But those options have a deductible of $1,000, meaning that care is paid for by the employee until that ceiling is reached. Then Wal-Mart covers 80 percent of further costs.
Wal-Mart says its average spending on medical benefits per employee is $3,100 per year. That's less than the industry average ? about $4,400 for large retailers ? as calculated by Mercer Human Resource Consulting.
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: nergee
Starting pay at the distribution center near me is ~$11.00/hr..........................
With or without health benefits?
If no health benfits is $11hr enough to purchase health benefits while still providing roof overhead, food, transporation (and associated tranportation costs such as insurance, gas etc) and clothing???
Walmart has benefits....
How much out of pocket for the employees? 100%, 80% 50% what?????
It is not a bad deal. I think that will actually be less expensive than what I will be paying here soon.Wal-Mart workers can buy individual coverage for as low as $15.25 every two weeks and family coverage for $66.25, Fogleman said. But those options have a deductible of $1,000, meaning that care is paid for by the employee until that ceiling is reached. Then Wal-Mart covers 80 percent of further costs.
Wal-Mart says its average spending on medical benefits per employee is $3,100 per year. That's less than the industry average ? about $4,400 for large retailers ? as calculated by Mercer Human Resource Consulting.
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Further evidence that conservatives hate America and our freedoms.
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: nergee
Starting pay at the distribution center near me is ~$11.00/hr..........................
With or without health benefits?
If no health benfits is $11hr enough to purchase health benefits while still providing roof overhead, food, transporation (and associated tranportation costs such as insurance, gas etc) and clothing???
Walmart has benefits....
How much out of pocket for the employees? 100%, 80% 50% what?????
It is not a bad deal. I think that will actually be less expensive than what I will be paying here soon.Wal-Mart workers can buy individual coverage for as low as $15.25 every two weeks and family coverage for $66.25, Fogleman said. But those options have a deductible of $1,000, meaning that care is paid for by the employee until that ceiling is reached. Then Wal-Mart covers 80 percent of further costs.
Wal-Mart says its average spending on medical benefits per employee is $3,100 per year. That's less than the industry average ? about $4,400 for large retailers ? as calculated by Mercer Human Resource Consulting.
Thanks, basically have to squirrel away $1,000 for Medical expenses plus a cushion for the 20% not covered which can be reasonable or a ton because of today's outrageous fees.
The fact that Walmart is spending so much less per employee compared to others and is the biggest retailer is what is costing States in Healthcare costs.