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Originally posted by: Gannon

I should know canada is trying to farm in immigrants en masse right now to work for cheap in our "labour shortage" (which really means: I'm a business and dont want to pay native canadians a decent wage to support a decent standard of living).

But you see, this isn't really a capitalism versus socialism issue. It's less of an issue of economic system than it is a social issue that has economic implications (like the nation's predominant religion, population growth, and whether or not the populace is strung out on heroine). The best way to evaluate an economic system would be to consider an isolated country and only consider its economics without bringing in social issues such as religion and runaway population growth.

What you described is an economic issue, but not one of which economic system to have. After all, a great many factors can influence the health of the economy that have nothing to do with the issue of economic system. My point in these two posts is that we need to be careful to try to distinguish between various factors. What if a populace is completely irrational and self-destructive? Even if they had the most ideal economic system it wouldn't help them.

It's also quite possible to have a less than ideal economic system yet still have relative economic prosperity as a result of a culture's rationality. Consider a nation with a predominantly socialist mixed economy that has little crime, little religious mysticism, little overpopulation or that at least has it under control, and for the most part, rationality. European countries come to mind. In contrast, the United States has a predominantly capitalist mixed economy coupled with rampant irrationality throughout the culture; what I like to refer to as America's "Idiot Culture".
 

AnyMal

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Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: ExpertNovice
Sam Walton was conservative, are his heirs?

I love how liberals hate conservatives that do what liberals do. Liberals say let the "undocumented workers" get driver licenses and social security cards and don't allow the employers ask about their citizenship. Then, if a liberal is caught paying the workers $5 a day that is ok after all we are helping them but when a large company gets caught paying them $8 an hour, you get self righteous.
I love how liberals are so opposed to national ID cards for voting and other government priviledges.

I guess they need their illegal immigrant crack-for-vote programs to win.....errr not lose by so much.

No. Filthy rich liberals are in need of an endless supply of cheap nannies and gardeners. For instance, try to suggest to Hollywood execs to allow illigal workers to take up acting jobs for $10.00 an hour. Then sit back, watch their reaction, and enjoy the show.
 

tommywishbone

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No. Filthy rich liberals are in need of an endless supply of cheap nannies and gardeners. For instance, try to suggest to Hollywood execs to allow illigal workers to take up acting jobs for $10.00 an hour. Then sit back, watch their reaction, and enjoy the show.
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Excellent. :thumbsup:

 

EatSpam

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Originally posted by: AnyMal
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: ExpertNovice
Sam Walton was conservative, are his heirs?

I love how liberals hate conservatives that do what liberals do. Liberals say let the "undocumented workers" get driver licenses and social security cards and don't allow the employers ask about their citizenship. Then, if a liberal is caught paying the workers $5 a day that is ok after all we are helping them but when a large company gets caught paying them $8 an hour, you get self righteous.
I love how liberals are so opposed to national ID cards for voting and other government priviledges.

I guess they need their illegal immigrant crack-for-vote programs to win.....errr not lose by so much.

No. The filthy rich are in need of an endless supply of cheap nannies and gardeners. For instance, try to suggest to Hollywood execs or Texas Ranchers to allow illigal workers to take up acting jobs for $10.00 an hour. Then sit back, watch their reaction, and enjoy the show.

Corrected to show the bipartisan nature of this problem. Dubya and crew want the illegals just as much as Ted Kennedy and crew. Witness the McCain/Kennedy amnesty bill.
 

EatSpam

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Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: ExpertNovice
Sam Walton was conservative, are his heirs?

I love how liberals hate conservatives that do what liberals do. Liberals say let the "undocumented workers" get driver licenses and social security cards and don't allow the employers ask about their citizenship. Then, if a liberal is caught paying the workers $5 a day that is ok after all we are helping them but when a large company gets caught paying them $8 an hour, you get self righteous.
I love how liberals are so opposed to national ID cards for voting and other government priviledges.

I guess they need their illegal immigrant crack-for-vote programs to win.....errr not lose by so much.

These threads are always funny because the conservatives and the neo-cons always try to bash the liberals and vice versa. In truth, both parties are equally to blame for a variety of reasons.

Bush's policies suck on illegal immigration.
Kerry's policies suck on illegal immigration.
McCain's policies suck on illegal immigration.
Kennedy's policies suck on illegal immigration.
DeLay's policies suck on illegal immigration.
Boxer's policies suck on illegal immigration.

See the pattern?
 

AnyMal

Lifer
Nov 21, 2001
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Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: AnyMal
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: ExpertNovice
Sam Walton was conservative, are his heirs?

I love how liberals hate conservatives that do what liberals do. Liberals say let the "undocumented workers" get driver licenses and social security cards and don't allow the employers ask about their citizenship. Then, if a liberal is caught paying the workers $5 a day that is ok after all we are helping them but when a large company gets caught paying them $8 an hour, you get self righteous.
I love how liberals are so opposed to national ID cards for voting and other government priviledges.

I guess they need their illegal immigrant crack-for-vote programs to win.....errr not lose by so much.

No. The filthy rich are in need of an endless supply of cheap nannies and gardeners. For instance, try to suggest to Hollywood execs or Texas Ranchers to allow illigal workers to take up acting jobs for $10.00 an hour. Then sit back, watch their reaction, and enjoy the show.

Corrected to show the bipartisan nature of this problem. Dubya and crew want the illegals just as much as Ted Kennedy and crew. Witness the McCain/Kennedy amnesty bill.

No need for correction, I fully understand that knife cuts both ways. My point was to counter the prevalent notion of this thread that somehow only Republicans/conservatives benefit from the cheap and illegal immigrant labor.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: AnyMal
Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: AnyMal
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: ExpertNovice
Sam Walton was conservative, are his heirs?

I love how liberals hate conservatives that do what liberals do. Liberals say let the "undocumented workers" get driver licenses and social security cards and don't allow the employers ask about their citizenship. Then, if a liberal is caught paying the workers $5 a day that is ok after all we are helping them but when a large company gets caught paying them $8 an hour, you get self righteous.
I love how liberals are so opposed to national ID cards for voting and other government priviledges.

I guess they need their illegal immigrant crack-for-vote programs to win.....errr not lose by so much.

No. The filthy rich are in need of an endless supply of cheap nannies and gardeners. For instance, try to suggest to Hollywood execs or Texas Ranchers to allow illigal workers to take up acting jobs for $10.00 an hour. Then sit back, watch their reaction, and enjoy the show.

Corrected to show the bipartisan nature of this problem. Dubya and crew want the illegals just as much as Ted Kennedy and crew. Witness the McCain/Kennedy amnesty bill.

No need for correction, I fully understand that knife cuts both ways. My point was to counter the prevalent notion of this thread that somehow only Republicans/conservatives benefit from the cheap and illegal immigrant labor.

Good stuff guys, great dialog.

Looks like you and Wally World are safe from my wrath.

My new lady wants no part of the white house or politics. She wants me all to herself
 

AnyMal

Lifer
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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: AnyMal
Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: AnyMal
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: ExpertNovice
Sam Walton was conservative, are his heirs?

I love how liberals hate conservatives that do what liberals do. Liberals say let the "undocumented workers" get driver licenses and social security cards and don't allow the employers ask about their citizenship. Then, if a liberal is caught paying the workers $5 a day that is ok after all we are helping them but when a large company gets caught paying them $8 an hour, you get self righteous.
I love how liberals are so opposed to national ID cards for voting and other government priviledges.

I guess they need their illegal immigrant crack-for-vote programs to win.....errr not lose by so much.

No. The filthy rich are in need of an endless supply of cheap nannies and gardeners. For instance, try to suggest to Hollywood execs or Texas Ranchers to allow illigal workers to take up acting jobs for $10.00 an hour. Then sit back, watch their reaction, and enjoy the show.

Corrected to show the bipartisan nature of this problem. Dubya and crew want the illegals just as much as Ted Kennedy and crew. Witness the McCain/Kennedy amnesty bill.

No need for correction, I fully understand that knife cuts both ways. My point was to counter the prevalent notion of this thread that somehow only Republicans/conservatives benefit from the cheap and illegal immigrant labor.

Good stuff guys, great dialog.

Looks like you and Wally World are safe from my wrath.

My new lady wants no part of the white house or politics. She wants me all to herself

She sounds like one smart cookie Better hang on to her Dave :thumbsup:
 

dmcowen674

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Oct 13, 1999
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This is so cool

Keep it up America :thumbsup:

12-1-2005 America Rebelling Against Walmart

BERRYVILLE, Ark. - Nancy McShane used to spend $600 to $700 a month at Wal-Mart on everything from groceries to oil changes. Then in March she abruptly switched to other discount stores, upset over what her turkey-farming relatives saw as undue price pressure from the world's largest retailer.

McShane, a Springfield, Mo., housewife with children aged 11 and 12, is among what organized critics claim is a growing number of Americans turning against Wal-Mart amid allegations from unions and others that the company is bad for workers, the environment and communities.

"We cut off Wal-Mart cold turkey. Now I'm preaching it to other people," McShane said.
 

GoPackGo

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
This is so cool

Keep it up America :thumbsup:

12-1-2005 America Rebelling Against Walmart

BERRYVILLE, Ark. - Nancy McShane used to spend $600 to $700 a month at Wal-Mart on everything from groceries to oil changes. Then in March she abruptly switched to other discount stores, upset over what her turkey-farming relatives saw as undue price pressure from the world's largest retailer.

McShane, a Springfield, Mo., housewife with children aged 11 and 12, is among what organized critics claim is a growing number of Americans turning against Wal-Mart amid allegations from unions and others that the company is bad for workers, the environment and communities.

"We cut off Wal-Mart cold turkey. Now I'm preaching it to other people," McShane said.

Dave,
Most of what Wal-Mart buys is from China
Wal-Mart is headquartered in Arkansas
Clinton is from Arkansas
Clinton gave and kept giving China most favored trade nation status
See the connection?
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Dave,
Most of what Wal-Mart buys is from China
Wal-Mart is headquartered in Arkansas
Clinton is from Arkansas
Clinton gave and kept giving China most favored trade nation status
See the connection?

What do I care???

China is not a City in the U.S. as far as I recall.

Clinton is not the President.

I have no allegiance to Democrats or any party.

Try again.
 

GoPackGo

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Dave,
Most of what Wal-Mart buys is from China
Wal-Mart is headquartered in Arkansas
Clinton is from Arkansas
Clinton gave and kept giving China most favored trade nation status
See the connection?

What do I care???

China is not a City in the U.S. as far as I recall.

Clinton is not the President.

I have no allegiance to Democrats or any party.

Try again.

It was during Clinton's term that Wal-Mart became the evil empire.
They turned their backs on US Goods
Now the chickens are coming home to roost.
 

azazyel

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Originally posted by: GoPackGo
It was during Clinton's term that Wal-Mart became the evil empire.
They turned their backs on US Goods
Now the chickens are coming home to roost.

Ummm, you might want to look at the support for these open relations with China during Clintons term. It was very very high so the President did what the people wanted. So blaming Clinton for this is pretty near sighted. Also, it was post WW2 that we started this trend of open markets to help Europe and Asia to get back on their feet but they were never stopped. Instead we made it worse and no one seems to care. On a side note John Edwards spoke out against free trade during his election bid.

I do agree that these open trade agreements with China as well as other nations need to be changed quickly.



http://www.americans-world.org/digest/regional_issues/china/china5.cfm
 

GoPackGo

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Originally posted by: azazyel
Originally posted by: GoPackGo
It was during Clinton's term that Wal-Mart became the evil empire.
They turned their backs on US Goods
Now the chickens are coming home to roost.

Ummm, you might want to look at the support for these open relations with China during Clintons term. It was very very high so the President did what the people wanted. So blaming Clinton for this is pretty near sighted. Also, it was post WW2 that we started this trend of open markets to help Europe and Asia to get back on their feet but they were never stopped. Instead we made it worse and no one seems to care. On a side note John Edwards spoke out against free trade during his election bid.

I do agree that these open trade agreements with China as well as other nations need to be changed quickly.



http://www.americans-world.org/digest/regional_issues/china/china5.cfm

Not necessarily blaming clinton, its just a fact

 

ahurtt

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Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: Zebo<BR>Union is the only way to fly if you work for someone else.... Alone, workers don't have sh1t unless they have exceptional or irreplacable skills...or work the government of course, which takes a serious felony conviction to get fired. Or three.
<BR><BR>Hmm.. I work for someone else, and honestly, I think I am earning a pretty damn good living. I think what you meant to say is Unions are the way to go for the lazy and worthless workers.

Unions sometimes have the undesireable side effect of making people think they can be lazier and less serious about their work. But they do serve a very necessary function in helping to ensure employers are not able to easily take unfair advantage of the little guy.
 

dmcowen674

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This is like a Horror Movie and a Sci-Fi combined in one.

Instead of worrying about One World Government, the religious forgot about having One World Grocery store.

12-14-2005 Wal-Mart Buys Brazil Stores in Expansion

LISBON, Portugal - Wal-Mart Stores Inc., the world's largest retailer, is further expanding its presence in Latin America with the acquisition of a Portuguese conglomerate's chain of stores in Brazil, South America's biggest economy.

Wal-Mart is paying Sonae, based in northern Portugal, 635 million euros ($764 million) for its 140 Brazilian "hypermarkets," supermarkets and wholesale outlets, the companies announced Wednesday. Hypermarkets are huge stores that combine elements of supermarkets and department stores.

The stores stretch across four Brazilian states, including three in the south.

The Sonae purchase means Wal-Mart will operate more than 250 stores in 17 of Brazil's 26 states.
 

dmcowen674

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About time. It is un-american to create working poor in this Country.

1-13-2006 Maryland forces Wal-Mart to spend more on health care for employees

ANNAPOLIS, Md. - Maryland legislators voted Thursday to enact a first-in-the-nation requirement that Wal-Mart Stores Inc. spend more on employee health care. The measure, touted as a money-saver for the state-supported Medicaid program, takes effect despite the governor?s veto of the bill.

?The taxpayers are giving a health-care subsidy to the largest retailer on earth,? argued Democratic Delegate Kumar Barve. The House and Senate, both controlled by Democrats, both notched the three-fifths margins needed to override a veto last May by Republican Gov. Robert Ehrlich.
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These Democrats are true American Heros.
 

shrumpage

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
About time. It is un-american to create working poor in this Country.

1-13-2006 Maryland forces Wal-Mart to spend more on health care for employees

ANNAPOLIS, Md. - Maryland legislators voted Thursday to enact a first-in-the-nation requirement that Wal-Mart Stores Inc. spend more on employee health care. The measure, touted as a money-saver for the state-supported Medicaid program, takes effect despite the governor?s veto of the bill.

?The taxpayers are giving a health-care subsidy to the largest retailer on earth,? argued Democratic Delegate Kumar Barve. The House and Senate, both controlled by Democrats, both notched the three-fifths margins needed to override a veto last May by Republican Gov. Robert Ehrlich.
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These Democrats are true American Heros.

Does this mean tht McDonalds, and other large companies that pay low wages will have to increase there spending too?

Seems unfair to target one specfic company, when it isn't breaking any laws. If people think that minium wage isn't enough or minium healthcare isn't enough - then they should raise the standards for everyone not just unfairly target one group.

 

DVK916

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Walmart is an evil company. The goverment needs to seize controle of walmart and other big business and run them it self.
 

shrumpage

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Originally posted by: DVK916
Walmart is an evil company. The goverment needs to seize controle of walmart and other big business and run them it self.

And thats because the government is good and pure, not to mention efficent at everything it does?

But is nice to know that there are people here that support facists ideals.
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: DVK916
Walmart is an evil company. The goverment needs to seize controle of walmart and other big business and run them it self.

Perfect way to get rid of businesses. When has the government done anything efficiently?

What then defines big business?

And if the government runs the business; what happens to the tax revenue?

 

FuzzyBee

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
About time. It is un-american to create working poor in this Country.

"Create working poor"? Jesus Dave - according to you, nobody should have any responsibility for himself. Pathetic.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: shrumpage
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
About time. It is un-american to create working poor in this Country.

These Democrats are true American Heros.

Does this mean that McDonalds, and other large companies that pay low wages will have to increase there spending too?

Seems unfair to target one specfic company, when it isn't breaking any laws.

If people think that minium wage isn't enough or minium healthcare isn't enough - then they should raise the standards for everyone not just unfairly target one group.

Thank you for at least acknowledging the decline of American wages. :thumbsup:

You Republicans have been insisting for years that they are increasing.

It is only increasing for the Fat Cat Management and CEO's at the expense of the rest of the American workforce.
 
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