Walmart closes 5 stores

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DrDoug

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After much googling and binging...

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Just as Walmart is often the recipient of taxpayer subsidies[8], the Waltons too sought and received subsidies when building Crystal Bridges Museum, in the form of a 2005 state bill that exempted the museum from state sales and use taxes.


The bill was written in a way that was clearly intended to apply only to the Waltons’ Crystal Bridges, requiring that to qualify for the tax breaks, a museum had to open by January 1, 2013, had to cost more than $30 million to build, and house more than $100 million worth of art. This was clearly a bill custom written for Crystal Bridges.
It must be nice being rich enough to afford to have a taxpayer subsidy to help solve the problem of where to house your art collection. Besides this, the problem here is Walmart underpaying their employees and having the taxpayer make up the difference for them.

But you would rather they buy more art than pay a fair wage, eh?
 

DucatiMonster696

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Kinda off topic, but Walmart fought for years to put in a store on an undeveloped lot right next door to a Costco in my area. I was never opposed to it but a lot of people were. Finally, the city permits it, but only on the condition that Walmart spend millions on local road improvements.
So, the new Walmart opened around 9 months ago and.. hardly anyone shops there. The parking lot is always empty, while the Costco continues to do insane business.
But thanks, Walmart, for that new intersection!


Here's a question. What is the income demographic of the overall area?
 

nickqt

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It must be nice being rich enough to afford to have a taxpayer subsidy to help solve the problem of where to house your art collection. Besides this, the problem here is Walmart underpaying their employees and having the taxpayer make up the difference for them.

But you would rather they buy more art than pay a fair wage, eh?

True worshipers of Mammon don't just worship Mammon, but those blessed by Mammon.

Starting to get it now?
 

nexus5rocks

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It can also mean that the entire market is depressed. During the recession, a lot of people were paid $0 because they'd been laid off. Was that the proper amount?
Japan has been facing economic problems for quite a long time, too. You can have an entire economy or market that's depressed, whether it be through natural market forces, or through bad policy. I don't know why it should be seen as destructive if you're working to remedy a bad situation.

Is that the fault of the employer?
Is it their responsibility to pay more than market value for labor?
 

Jhhnn

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Is that the fault of the employer?
Is it their responsibility to pay more than market value for labor?

It's the fault of capitalism itself, of which the employer is a part.

It's the responsibility of Unions & govt to hold up market value for labor.
 

Vic

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Gag, aside from acting like a troll, your entire point of view appears to be based on the idea that the only factor involved in doing business is ROI. If that were the case, why would anyone produce goods or direct services when providing investment money, insurance and, analysis are obviously better investments? Oh wait, since there is only so many markets for those companies, other investors are "forced" into less lucrative markets, right? If only they had the education and smarts to get those top slots. Guess they'll just have to take what the market gives them. Oh wait, I forget the wealthy have more tools, options and, resources than the poor and don't need unions.

Your reasoning is simplistic, your attitude obnoxious and, I should know better than to feed the troll.
I found it overly weird that his reply to my post had almost nothing to do with what I actually posted.
 

sm625

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I've been following this story for some time now, and what gets me is that there is very little organized and compiled information on this. Where are the updates from the people who work(ed) at those stores? Those juicy little tidbits of information. What types of equipment were they bringing into the store? etc. There is no place to go to get this information. Want to know why? Because most people rely on crap sites like facebook which have no meaningful structure and no way to aggregate data such as this. So even if most people werent in petrefied iZombie mode 24/7, they would still have no place to really pass on information if and when they needed to. Why this doesnt bother more people is beyond me...
 

rudder

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It's the fault of capitalism itself, of which the employer is a part.

It's the responsibility of Unions & govt to hold up market value for labor.

You mean those same unions that want to pay people $15/hour to drop fries in oil? And you mean that same government that is allowing record number of illegal border crossings that continues to send large numbers of unskilled laborers into the country (and who have been lowering the value of labor)?

If it is the responsibility of the union and the government... we are fooked.
 
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You mean those same unions that want to pay people $15/hour to drop fries in oil? And you mean that same government that is allowing record number of illegal border crossings that continues to send large numbers of unskilled laborers into the country (and who have been lowering the value of labor)?

If it is the responsibility of the union and the government... we are fooked.

Couldn't have said it much better than this....
 

nickqt

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You mean those same unions that want to pay people $15/hour to drop fries in oil? And you mean that same government that is allowing record number of illegal border crossings that continues to send large numbers of unskilled laborers into the country (and who have been lowering the value of labor)?

If it is the responsibility of the union and the government... we are fooked.

There aren't record numbers of border crossings. That sounds very scary and gets the rubes shakin' in their boots and screaming right, but it's not accurate.
 

cubby1223

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I just find this situation interesting.

People go out and protest whenever Walmart opens a store in their town. Now people are protesting Walmart for closing stores in their town
 

JockoJohnson

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There aren't record numbers of border crossings. That sounds very scary and gets the rubes shakin' in their boots and screaming right, but it's not accurate.

Yes. Because there is a saturation point at which border crossings will slow down because THERE ARE ENOUGH ILLEGALS here already.
 

JockoJohnson

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Good to see these numbers. So I was slightly off in the saturation. We already had the tipping point in 2011. Hopefully it continues to decrease and they can all come back over to become legal citizens like most every other immigrant tries to do.
 

cabri

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trenchfoot

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You mean those same unions that want to pay people $15/hour to drop fries in oil? And you mean that same government that is allowing record number of illegal border crossings that continues to send large numbers of unskilled laborers into the country (and who have been lowering the value of labor)?

If it is the responsibility of the union and the government... we are fooked.

You're blaming the puppets when you should be blaming the puppeteers. The puppets want cash to buy votes to get/stay in office. The puppeteers are glad to oblige in order to keep those strings tightly around their puppet's necks.

As to the $15 min. wage, when adjusted for inflation since the time wages didn't keep up with it, wouldn't $15/hr be about right? And wouldn't we all be making proportionately more using that wage as a benchmark starting point?
 

cabri

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You're blaming the puppets when you should be blaming the puppeteers. The puppets want cash to buy votes to get/stay in office. The puppeteers are glad to oblige in order to keep those strings tightly around their puppet's necks.

As to the $15 min. wage, when adjusted for inflation since the time wages didn't keep up with it, wouldn't $15/hr be about right? And wouldn't we all be making proportionately more using that wage as a benchmark starting point?

And where is the $15/hr going to come from; the consumer
And if the wage is doubled; why should not everyone have a doubled wage then?
 

Cozarkian

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You're blaming the puppets when you should be blaming the puppeteers. The puppets want cash to buy votes to get/stay in office. The puppeteers are glad to oblige in order to keep those strings tightly around their puppet's necks.

As to the $15 min. wage, when adjusted for inflation since the time wages didn't keep up with it, wouldn't $15/hr be about right? And wouldn't we all be making proportionately more using that wage as a benchmark starting point?

You can't assume today's wages should be the inflation adjusted equivalent of past wages any more than you can assume past wages should have been the inflation adjusted equivalent of today's. Supply and demand curves can shift. If the population of people looking for low skill jobs has grown faster than the number of low skill jobs available, then increased competition would have reduced wages.
 

CitizenKain

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After much googling and binging... Outrage Not Found. I didn't find anything, but I'm guessing they got some special rate in exchange for them picking up 100% of the cost to bring life to an otherwise dead city. If I guessed wrong and your outrage is really regarding the Art Museum that walmart sponsors by subsidizing YOUR admission, then don't go.

If you think there is something wrong with a company employing many people to build a Walmart museum they charge nothing for to visit -- that brings tourists to *Bentonville* Arkansas, then don't go. If you don't like they occasionally put on a $5 concert where *ALL* proceeds go to charity, then don't go.
You really seem to suck up the liberal lies with all your outrage that a company is able to make it in this world without being a dependant of the federal government.

You might try reading the rest of my post.
I address everything you mention -- only with a more positive outlook on life than you do.
You'd even discover that i'm not "fine" with subsidizing the income of unskilled labor.

Have a great rest of the day... and quit hating. (Not really... your hating at anyone more successful than yourself is entertaining)

edit: Just wanted to add... I'm off to Walmart to shop for next week's lunches. Need me to pick you up anything?

It is obvious that as a conservative, you are simply not smart enough to understand the points people are making. It is really amazing you think that Walmart isn't dependent on the government, but I'm sure you will believe everything the talking heads tell you to.
 

Blanky

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Where is the real news on this? Is investigative journalism just dead? All the news articles are saying the same shallow thing.

This doesn't add up all.

1) Walmart stores don't have a ton in the way of plumbing (grocery area, aquarium, gardening, maybe automotive, bathrooms; huge sections of it don't have any at all, though), and in any case all of it would be well documented and easily accessible, even if certain lines are buried under concrete

2) 6 months to fix any plumbing issue is utterly insane unless we're talking about massive sewer lines that serve a city. Are such lines running under the Walmarts in question? I doubt it.

3) Why are stores seemingly shuttered with very little warning all at the same time? Did somebody in corporate wake up one day after having plumbing nightmares and decide to close them all?

4) Are these stores being serviced now by plumbers? I'm positive the entirety of a typical Walmart could be completely re-plumbed in well under 6 months, to 6 months to fix problems just does not add up.

At the same time, if Walmart closed these to piss of union labor organizers and doesn't have actual plumbing issues to deal with, the lie is so huge as to be completely impossible to hide.

At this point I don't believe Walmart, nor do I believe union labor's perspective.

My best guess now is that Walmart is just really slow to correct what they initially said about this and they won't actually keep these five stores closed for 6 months; either the stores are dead and never re-opening (maybe losing money) or will open much sooner. 5 X 6 months over plumbing is too incredible.
 
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