Walmart loses major union case. :)

[newbiepcuser]

Originally posted by: AnyMal
I want all crapping a$$holes who hate Walmart to do one thing, next time when you go into Walmart take notice how many elderly and/or disabled workers do you see? Then try to remember any other retail or food chain that lets people with disabilities to earn an honest living and to have the dignity and pride in knowing they don't exist on handouts.

I only went to Walmart once, and this I did notice.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Shantanu

Originally posted by: jjsole the executives make millions while the people that do the work get enough to buy dog food. Its basically racketeering of labor imo.

Uhhh... You are a dumbass.

Yup...he's a dumbass and he doesn't understand a free market economy either. If you don't like you job find a new one.

How does organizing labor equate to anti-free market? Labor is a commodity, and there consolidation within companies and industries throughout the marketplace to gain market influence and effectiveness. Why should labor be excluded from this?

Skills are a commodity, not labor. The kind of people who work at WalMart do not have scarce skills, hell it seems to me as if most were picked at random off the streets. Why should the employer be held hostage by a union for employees that are easily replaceable?

Exactly. What he hell are they gonna do, strike? They could totally replace the crew in a week.

 

[AnyMal]

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Shantanu

Originally posted by: jjsole the executives make millions while the people that do the work get enough to buy dog food. Its basically racketeering of labor imo.

Uhhh... You are a dumbass.

Yup...he's a dumbass and he doesn't understand a free market economy either. If you don't like you job find a new one.

How does organizing labor equate to anti-free market? Labor is a commodity, and there's consolidation within companies and industries throughout the marketplace to gain market influence and effectiveness. Why should labor be excluded from this?

You obviously never worked for a company that has unionized workforce. Let me make it simple. Union demands that company pays outrageous wages and benefits for unskilled and untrained labor. The companies are faced with two choices: either they give in, thus severely undercutting their bottom line, or they fold and move south of the border. Do you think that's pro free-market?

 

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
Time to put a 100% tax on income above a certain level. The execs deserve it.

I truly hope this is sarcasm.....if not you have no brain.

 

[rufruf44]

One thing for sure when union enters cost will go up. In the end it will be the customer who pays all the extra expense the union will undoubtedly try to squeeze out. It won't hurt the execs one bit.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I have a brain and a heart. You apparently lack both.

Executive salaries went up an average of 61% last year while unemployment hit record high. Why? Because execs and boards are on friendly terms. The bottom line gets hit for paying extravagant salaries that are unwarranted based on performance. Give working people that money. Don't like it? Go out and kick a janitor today then.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: rufruf44
One thing for sure when union enters cost will go up. In the end it will be the customer who pays all the extra expense the union will undoubtedly try to squeeze out. It won't hurt the execs one bit.

ironically, the people that shop there the most are people of the class that wal-mart hires. ergo, they make more, but they pay more. yeah, that's smart economics.

 

[WarmAndSCSI]

Originally posted by: Shantanu
Why are you happy about this?

Unions come in. Walmart's costs go up. Walmart charges more. Walmart is market leader, so smaller chains follow suit.

You get fvcked, greedy union thugs and lazy workers benefit. Yeah, that's real good for America.

You seem like the only intelligent person in this thread thus far as my reading goes... searching for the next...

 

[newbiepcuser]

Originally posted by: rufruf44
One thing for sure when union enters cost will go up. In the end it will be the customer who pays all the extra expense the union will undoubtedly try to squeeze out. It won't hurt the execs one bit.

Workers will have to pay too, union dues.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: newbiepcuser

Originally posted by: rufruf44
One thing for sure when union enters cost will go up. In the end it will be the customer who pays all the extra expense the union will undoubtedly try to squeeze out. It won't hurt the execs one bit.

Workers will have to pay too, union dues.

yup. the only people that really benefit from this are the union heads.

 

[WarmAndSCSI]

Originally posted by: AnyMal
I want all crapping a$$holes who hate Walmart to do one thing, next time when you go into Walmart take notice how many elderly and/or disabled workers do you see? Then try to remember any other retail or food chain that lets people with disabilities to earn an honest living and to have the dignity and pride in knowing they don't exist on handouts.

VERY good point.!

:beer:

 

[rufruf44]

Originally posted by: fuzzy bee

Originally posted by: newbiepcuser

Originally posted by: rufruf44
One thing for sure when union enters cost will go up. In the end it will be the customer who pays all the extra expense the union will undoubtedly try to squeeze out. It won't hurt the execs one bit.

Workers will have to pay too, union dues.

yup. the only people that really benefit from this are the union heads.

Unfortunately, most regular joe worker will simply fall prey to all the advertising of the union.

 

[tcsenter]

This isn't about unionism or corporate greed, its about property rights and tresspassing. The union simply has no right to be on Walmart property without permission. If the employees want to organize, they can do it on their own time at a place of their own choosing.

I think we can all support Walmart's position, unless you believe I should have the right to come into your house or place of business without permission and just hang out, protest your hiring of non-union labor to cut your lawn, bother your kids, etc.

 

[thedarkwolf]

Originally posted by: AnyMal
You obviously never worked for a company that has unionized workforce. Let me make it simple. Union demands that company pays outrageous wages and benefits for unskilled and untrained labor. The companies are faced with two choices: either they give in, thus severely undercutting their bottom line, or they fold and move south of the border. Do you think that's pro free-market?

I worked for Kroger(grocery store chain) and it was union and I can tell you that wasn't true there. All the union did for me was take money out of every one of my paychecks. After 5 years I made around 75 cents over minimum wage and had no benefits other than a weeks payed vacation. The only people that got anything from the union were the full time people and to get around that Krogers simply didn't hire full time people unless they had too. We did have lots of 36 hour a week part timers though.

 

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
I have a brain and a heart. You apparently lack both.

Executive salaries went up an average of 61% last year while unemployment hit record high. Why? Because execs and boards are on friendly terms. The bottom line gets hit for paying extravagant salaries that are unwarranted based on performance. Give working people that money. Don't like it? Go out and kick a janitor today then.

I'm sure I have more of a brain than you but that really doesn't matter. I totally agree with you that at CERTAIN levels in most corporations compensation is way out of control and performance seems to not even be a requirement anymore but that does not call for a 100% tax an all income above a cetain level......that is just plain stupid

 

[rufruf44]

Originally posted by: tcsenter
This isn't about unionism or corporate greed, its about property rights and tresspassing. The union simply has no right to be on Walmart property without permission. If the employees want to organize, they can do it on their own time at a place of their own choosing.

I think we can all support Walmart's position, unless you believe I should have the right to come into your house or place of business without permission and just hang out, protest your hiring of non-union labor to cut your lawn, bother your kids, etc.

Quite true. Social organization has to obtain Wal-mart's permission before setting up shop within the perimteer of their store. Its their property afterall. What makes the Union think they're above a basic law such as that?

 

[newbiepcuser]

Originally posted by: fuzzy bee

Originally posted by: newbiepcuser

Originally posted by: rufruf44
One thing for sure when union enters cost will go up. In the end it will be the customer who pays all the extra expense the union will undoubtedly try to squeeze out. It won't hurt the execs one bit.

Workers will have to pay too, union dues.

yup. the only people that really benefit from this are the union heads.

This reminds me of when I worked at Disneyland, our food division was under a union. The new contract was up and I read over the new contract. The contract stated there was raise etc. After I read the contract, the contract was total BS. The raise was one time thing over "x" amount of years and new workers would take 2 years before a raise etc. The contract also allowed McDonalds to come into the park, thus you see McD's Fries at Disneyland now. I spoke out and the Union head this is the best they could. My co-workers said stop complaining, its raise.

When Union dues went up, that pretty much erased our "raise". The Union head had left two months later, it turns out she was on the take by Disney and that why she was fired. My friends/co-workers just look at me and didn't say anything.

 

[Syringer]

Originally posted by: AnyMal

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Shantanu

Originally posted by: jjsole the executives make millions while the people that do the work get enough to buy dog food. Its basically racketeering of labor imo.

Uhhh... You are a dumbass.

Yup...he's a dumbass and he doesn't understand a free market economy either. If you don't like you job find a new one.

How does organizing labor equate to anti-free market? Labor is a commodity, and there's consolidation within companies and industries throughout the marketplace to gain market influence and effectiveness. Why should labor be excluded from this?

You obviously never worked for a company that has unionized workforce. Let me make it simple. Union demands that company pays outrageous wages and benefits for unskilled and untrained labor. The companies are faced with two choices: either they give in, thus severely undercutting their bottom line, or they fold and move south of the border. Do you think that's pro free-market?

Yes, because Walmart is dreadfully close to going out of business.

 

[rectifire]

Unions:

The people who brought you the weekend.

The people who brought you the 8 hour work day (instead of the 12 or 14 hours that use to be the norm)

The people who helped outlaw child labor in the US.

The people who fought to get the health and retirement benefits many of us take for granted today.

The people who helped make sure there is a minimum wage.

The people who helped enact health and safety standards in the workplace.





Yes....unions sound really bad to me, and society has no need for such terrible organizations.
We all know that our benevolent American corporations would have done all these things by themselves anyway, right?

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: rectifire
Unions:

The people who brought you the weekend.

The people who brought you the 8 hour work day (instead of the 12 or 14 hours that use to be the norm)

The people who helped outlaw child labor in the US.

The people who fought to get the health and retirement benefits many of us take for granted today.

The people who helped make sure there is a minimum wage.

The people who helped enact health and safety standards in the workplace.

...

The people who helped tremendously in the downfall of US auto companies and airlines via threats of strikes by their uniformed followers.

The people who have very wealthy leaders who use the dues of their uniformed followers to support their own personal political agendas.

The people who allow substandard work to be compensated at a super-standard rate.

 

[AnyMal]

Originally posted by: fuzzy bee

Originally posted by: rectifire
Unions:

The people who brought you the weekend.

The people who brought you the 8 hour work day (instead of the 12 or 14 hours that use to be the norm)

The people who helped outlaw child labor in the US.

The people who fought to get the health and retirement benefits many of us take for granted today.

The people who helped make sure there is a minimum wage.

The people who helped enact health and safety standards in the workplace.

...

The people who helped tremendously in the downfall of US auto companies and airlines via threats of strikes by their uniformed followers.

The people who have very wealthy leaders who use the dues of their uniformed followers to support their own personal political agendas.

The people who allow substandard work to be compensated at a super-standard rate.

Let's not forget the people with close ties to organized crime

 

[Shockwave]

I hate Unions. Nothing but a bunch of damned thieves, who steal from the common worker to support the agendas of the Union leaders.
The only thing (IMO) a Union is good for is to protect the jobs of the lazy, and ensure there paid "fairly" to the hard working employees.
DOWN WITH UNIONS!!

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: rectifire
Unions:

The people who brought you the weekend.

The people who brought you the 8 hour work day (instead of the 12 or 14 hours that use to be the norm)

The people who helped outlaw child labor in the US.

The people who fought to get the health and retirement benefits many of us take for granted today.

The people who helped make sure there is a minimum wage.

The people who helped enact health and safety standards in the workplace.





Yes....unions sound really bad to me, and society has no need for such terrible organizations.
We all know that our benevolent American corporations would have done all these things by themselves anyway, right?

You are leaving out any and all negative aspects of Unions and their history, and there have been many. As with anything, a good idea can be turned into a tool for greed and corruption. The history of Unions is full of this. A union can become so big, it is little more than another corporation, with those at the top only looking out for themselves.

The one negative aspect in this specific case is the violation of Walmart's private property rights.

 

[tcsenter]

The bottom line gets hit for paying extravagant salaries that are unwarranted based on performance. Give working people that money. Don't like it? Go out and kick a janitor today then.

lol! This is a myth that only sets in the minds of those ignorant of business matters. As I demonstrated in the KMart thread several months ago, executive compensation doesn't take a thing away from 'working people'.

You can take away the executive compensation and that money would employ the people Kmart laid-off for another six months, then they would have to be laid off. Wow!

Meanwhile, your executives have all left because they certainly don't have to work for anything less than they find agreeable. Then you have the problems currently enjoyed by Mount Sinai Medical Center in New York, which is flirting with bankruptcy due in no small part because it took them over a year to find a CEO while the hospital drifted aimlessly and hemorrhaged money. Or worse, the company goes under, everybody is out of a job. Hey that's better!

If you want more money, or want to make the CEO's salary, then pursue those things which pay what you desire to make. If you want to be a bag-boy, then that includes the going-wage of a bag-boy. The choice is yours.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Shockwave
I hate Unions. Nothing but a bunch of damned thieves, who steal from the common worker to support the agendas of the Union leaders.
The only thing (IMO) a Union is good for is to protect the jobs of the lazy, and ensure there paid "fairly" to the hard working employees.
DOWN WITH UNIONS!!

time for you to crack open the history books.