Walmart sued over childrens' nude bathtub photo

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Originally posted by: bamacre
Why do we, as a society, equate nudity with something sexual? That, IMO, is the core problem here.

I agree 100%. This case actually speaks volumes about the inner workings of the sick mind of the person who decided that innocent nude childhood photos of a parents' own children at bath time could be construed as Pr0n.

A normal, well adjusted, and psychologically stable adult individual would look at such photos and think nothing more than "how cute, that's adorable and heart-warming."

It takes a special kind of perverse mind to see photos of this nature and construe them as pornography.

Keep that wal-mart employee, the wal-mart executive who decided to pursue this case, and that DA who took the case no less than 100 yards from my child at all times.

Two words

Christian Republicans

 

[Wreckem]

Wal Mart will be dismissed as party of this suit. They did nothing to warrant any type of civil judgement against them.

 

[Newbian]

Why go after Walmart when it is Child Protective Services fault?

Walmart did not take away their children.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Newbian
Why go after Walmart when it is Child Protective Services fault?

Walmart did not take away their children.

because some will look for any opportunity to bash walmart.

 

[Budmantom]

is acorn involved?

 

[NetGuySC]

because Wal Mart has deeeeep pockets

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: waggy
thats crazy. but i understand WHY walmart did it (can't wait for the walmart bashing!).

anymore you are a idiot if you take such photos and have them devoloped at such places and NO walmart shouldnt pay for it.

No, you're an idiot if you think taking pictures of your kids ages 1-5 in the bathtub is wrong. Or getting them developed from a public place. Nobody agrees with you. Take your lumps and move on. You're wrong.

Walmart was wrong doing this. I dont normally like such lawsuits, but they were dead wrong. And did do long lasting damage to the parents. Not to mention the walmart employees spreading word that they sexually assaulted their children.

I dont hate walmart, I use them all the time. However, they were wrong in all accounts of this. Proven by the fact that they got their kids back.

 

[Grunt03]

I have baby pictures with my Dingle Dangle in full view for all to see, I wounder if the dumbshits ever heard of captureing the memories of childhood.

 

[ModerateRepZero]

My take on this, the police and CPS (royally) screwed up, even though I can sympathize with their motivations. As has been pointed out already, authorities and businesses (in this case Wlamart) is put in an uncomfortable situation....to investigate and take (preventive) actions can influence suggestive children and also be heavy-handed to children and parents alike even if they're innocent. On the other hand, if authorities DON'T investigate there WILL be lawsuits and criticism for not fully investigating potential cases. It's no surprise that at least some CPS agencies are FORBIDDEN to close a case without fully investigating it, even when there's reasonable indications that it was all a hoax.

Still, if the article is correct, then I can understand the parents' lawsuit(s) because of the deliberately inflammatory and legally uneducated statements that have been attributed to the authorities. Nudity in and of itself doesn't equal to pornography, otherwise National Geographic and other mainstream magazines wouldn't show indigenous people or infants naked in its pages without being treated like adult magazines. At the very least, comments saying that the couple were 'abusing' children by taking pictures of them bathing (just sans clothing), demonstrates a lack of legal understanding.

 

[LumbergTech]

the agency that walmart reported the photos to is the one to blame

dont get me wrong, i don't like walmart..but they dont make the laws/rules

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: waggy
thats crazy. but i understand WHY walmart did it (can't wait for the walmart bashing!).

anymore you are a idiot if you take such photos and have them devoloped at such places and NO walmart shouldnt pay for it.

No, you're an idiot if you think taking pictures of your kids ages 1-5 in the bathtub is wrong. Or getting them developed from a public place. Nobody agrees with you. Take your lumps and move on. You're wrong.

Walmart was wrong doing this. I dont normally like such lawsuits, but they were dead wrong. And did do long lasting damage to the parents. Not to mention the walmart employees spreading word that they sexually assaulted their children.

I dont hate walmart, I use them all the time. However, they were wrong in all accounts of this. Proven by the fact that they got their kids back.

you might want to rethink calling people a idiot when you do not understand what they have said. i don't think i was unclear. but i guess those with slower intelligence may have problems with it.

in case you don't get what I'm talking about. Can you point out where i said it is WRONG to take the pictures? and NOBODY agrees with me? you might want to go back and read the thread. ALL the post. because a few people agree that walmart is not responsible.

walmart did not take away the kids (that was CPS and the police). hell in fact walmart has NO FUCKING power in what happens with the kids.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: ModerateRepZero
My take on this, the police and CPS (royally) screwed up, even though I can sympathize with their motivations. As has been pointed out already, authorities and businesses (in this case Wlamart) is put in an uncomfortable situation....to investigate and take (preventive) actions can influence suggestive children and also be heavy-handed to children and parents alike even if they're innocent. On the other hand, if authorities DON'T investigate there WILL be lawsuits and criticism for not fully investigating potential cases. It's no surprise that at least some CPS agencies are FORBIDDEN to close a case without fully investigating it, even when there's reasonable indications that it was all a hoax.

Still, if the article is correct, then I can understand the parents' lawsuit(s) because of the deliberately inflammatory and legally uneducated statements that have been attributed to the authorities. Nudity in and of itself doesn't equal to pornography, otherwise National Geographic and other mainstream magazines wouldn't show indigenous people or infants naked in its pages without being treated like adult magazines. At the very least, comments saying that the couple were 'abusing' children by taking pictures of them bathing (just sans clothing), demonstrates a lack of legal understanding.

i can understand the lawsuit. i hope they win against CPS and the police. it seems the police were calling friends and family and telling them that they were child ponagraphers.

The walmart worker was stuck in a hard place. odds are the lawyers for walmart photo have said you see children nude you call the police (most have such rules in place). the guy tells his manager and hsi manager calls. better to be safe then sorry for the business.

the ones the fucked up were CPS and the police. seems that if the story is true they did shit they shouldnt. they should get nailed for that majorly.

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: mchammer187

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Originally posted by: mchammer187
I don't see how Wal-Mart should bear any responsibility. They are covering their own asses. The authorities however should be fired over this for taking the kids away for a month and damages should be paid to the family.

Covering their ass from what? The ony reason it's an issue is because they even said anything about it to anybody at all in the first place. I guarantee you at least 100 other photo development shops in various other cities around the country were developing bath time or potty training photos that other people took of their own kids at the same time as this genius Wal-Mart employee and guess what. . .none of them are being sued because they applied approximately a half an ounce of common sense by not even bothering to report a non existent crime.

How are they at fault at all.

They can bring it up but they(WALMART) have NO POWER. The people in charge are ultimately responsible.

Lets say I call the cops on someone because I hear screaming or something in their house. It turns out it was just a movie. The cops break down the door and beat that person unjustifiably. Suddenly its the person that calls the cops fault not the cops themselves?

Think about it though. . .what if people hearing screaming from neighbors houses were a common every day event that happened all the time in neighborhoods in houses on streets all over the country. . .what if that was just how things were and people just went around screaming and shouting at each other in their houses all the time and that was considered normal. Would it even cross your mind to call the cops at all if that were the case? Cuz guess what. . .people taking bath time photos of their young children and having them developed in public photo shops is nothing new. . .

 

[Genx87]

This is part of the problem of the dumbing down of this country. People arent allowed to think anymore. They see a child naked and by law are required to report it regardless of its context. I saw a speech by some guy on the internet last Winter discussing this problem. His example was of a professor who at a ball game bought his kid a mikes hard lemonade because the kid asked for a lemonade. He had no idea it was an alcoholic beverage. The security guard called the cops. He was arrested, the kid removed. And for the next 3 weeks the guy was in court arguing his case. The judge admitted it was ridiculous but the law. Eventually after 3 weeks he got his kids back. But if the security guard would had used some common sense none of it would had happened. But the law written by somebody else took his thinking out of the equation. Just like this situation.

 

[frostedflakes]

Originally posted by: Cogman
Its too bad, but I don't blame walmart for this. I blame the current oversensitive political environment that we live in. The walmart employee and couldn't afford NOT to report this, and walmart couldn't afford not to act. The employee could have been fired and if walmart hadn't acted, they would have left themselves up for potential law suits galore. It's SOP for businesses to look out for business welfare first, common sense second.

Yeah I can't really blame Walmart for this. They probably have a no tolerance policy when it comes to stuff like this, even if the pictures seem innocent, it's their ass on the line, so I can understand why they would turn them over to the police.

The problem is that the people who were actually supposed determine whether there was abuse or not really dropped the ball on this one. And the investigators and DA were allegedly doing stuff like defaming the parents and telling friends and family that they sexually abused their kids. I mean WTF is up with that, what happened to innocent until proven guilty? Doesn't sound like there was anything in the pictures to support that there was sexual abuse, did law enforcement even consider how bad this would come back to bite them in the ass if the charges against the parents were dropped?

 

[Skitzer]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I would imagine the DA ws just trying to make a name for himself althoug I bet he wasn't thinking "ASSHOLE".

:thumbsup: QFT

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Originally posted by: mchammer187
I don't see how Wal-Mart should bear any responsibility. They are covering their own asses. The authorities however should be fired over this for taking the kids away for a month and damages should be paid to the family.

Walmart did the right thing. No harm in coming from reporting it, but the moron who pursued this so aggressively and incorrectly needs to turn in his/her badge as does their captain. This shouldn't have gotten past the first reporting officer in charge.

 

[mchammer187]

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Originally posted by: mchammer187

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Originally posted by: mchammer187
I don't see how Wal-Mart should bear any responsibility. They are covering their own asses. The authorities however should be fired over this for taking the kids away for a month and damages should be paid to the family.

Covering their ass from what? The ony reason it's an issue is because they even said anything about it to anybody at all in the first place. I guarantee you at least 100 other photo development shops in various other cities around the country were developing bath time or potty training photos that other people took of their own kids at the same time as this genius Wal-Mart employee and guess what. . .none of them are being sued because they applied approximately a half an ounce of common sense by not even bothering to report a non existent crime.

How are they at fault at all.

They can bring it up but they(WALMART) have NO POWER. The people in charge are ultimately responsible.

Lets say I call the cops on someone because I hear screaming or something in their house. It turns out it was just a movie. The cops break down the door and beat that person unjustifiably. Suddenly its the person that calls the cops fault not the cops themselves?

Think about it though. . .what if people hearing screaming from neighbors houses were a common every day event that happened all the time in neighborhoods in houses on streets all over the country. . .what if that was just how things were and people just went around screaming and shouting at each other in their houses all the time and that was considered normal. Would it even cross your mind to call the cops at all if that were the case? Cuz guess what. . .people taking bath time photos of their young children and having them developed in public photo shops is nothing new. . .

So what if it crosses my mind to call the cops or not. If I do than it doesn't mean I am responsible for the actions of the cops.

So again if the cop is the one makes the decision in light of this than it is the person that called is at fault?


Authorities if anyone has the power to take action. Authorities if anyone are the ones that should be the experts on the law. NOT the guy working at the counter at Walmart. The employee alerted the authorities, a totally logical course of action. Would I in that situation? No, but that doesn't mean they did anything wrong.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: frostedflakes

Originally posted by: Cogman
Its too bad, but I don't blame walmart for this. I blame the current oversensitive political environment that we live in. The walmart employee and couldn't afford NOT to report this, and walmart couldn't afford not to act. The employee could have been fired and if walmart hadn't acted, they would have left themselves up for potential law suits galore. It's SOP for businesses to look out for business welfare first, common sense second.

Yeah I can't really blame Walmart for this. They probably have a no tolerance policy when it comes to stuff like this, even if the pictures seem innocent, it's their ass on the line, so I can understand why they would turn them over to the police.

The problem is that the people who were actually supposed determine whether there was abuse or not really dropped the ball on this one. And the investigators and DA were allegedly doing stuff like defaming the parents and telling friends and family that they sexually abused their kids. I mean WTF is up with that, what happened to innocent until proven guilty? Doesn't sound like there was anything in the pictures to support that there was sexual abuse, did law enforcement even consider how bad this would come back to bite them in the ass if the charges against the parents were dropped?

CPS operates outside of that. to them you are guilty and you have to prove your innocence.

 

[JS80]

My wife just posted a picture of my 15 month old in the bath with his wiener in clear sight on facebook.......should we expect the police at our doors anytime soon?

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: waggy
when you hear of stories like this one and others* you need to protect yourelf. places are nto looking out for you but for themselves. if someone put these pictures on the internet there would be a shit storm.



* this story is facinating. the women takes pictures of herself BREASTFEEDING. she gets teh cops called on her and arrested.

That story is unbelievable. The police and whoever prosecuted should be SHOT for being so goddamned stupid. It's like people have completely forgotten the purpose in nature for why women have breasts, and take them to be entirely sexual. A baby eating dinner becomes child porn. That's just fucking ridiculous.

 

[jpeyton]

I do blame WalMart for this, and I hope they lose a gargantuan amount of money in this case to scare them straight.

 

[frostedflakes]

Originally posted by: JS80
My wife just posted a picture of my 15 month old in the bath with his wiener in clear sight on facebook.......should we expect the police at our doors anytime soon?

Just better hope that no ambitious DAs looking to make a name for themselves stumble upon it.

 

[sao123]

wow is all I can say... both the walmart employee and the DA are both idiots.
common sense apparently is no longer common.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: frostedflakes

Originally posted by: JS80
My wife just posted a picture of my 15 month old in the bath with his wiener in clear sight on facebook.......should we expect the police at our doors anytime soon?

Just better hope that no ambitious DAs looking to make a name for themselves stumble upon it.

Especially if live in Georgia