Wanna get chipped?

[Kaido]

Originally posted by: Brentx
...I would also tie my checking and savings account information to it, so you could just walk through a checkout counter at the store. I wouldn't even have to pull out a card ...

I've seen the new readers for the RFID credit cards, like from Amex...do they only activate for reading during the sale? I'd be worried that you could be walking along in a crowded area and someone could hold up a scanner and charge your card just for the heck of it...

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Kaido

Originally posted by: Vic
No and no. It has nothing to do with the Bible (or inaccurate interpretations of) or the Matrix. RFID is fine for products, or a replacement for the barcode, but as a form of standardized ID represents a grevious invasion of personal privacy rights.

Like driver's licenses, social security cards...?

Can a police officer read the information on your drivers license or social security card without your consent just by walking past you? Or without even your knowledge just by you walking past them?

I would expect that you would want to keep your own thread intelligent, but it appears you have some type of agenda (as also seems obvious from your OP and poll).

 

[Kaido]

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: Kaido

Originally posted by: Vic
No and no. It has nothing to do with the Bible (or inaccurate interpretations of) or the Matrix. RFID is fine for products, or a replacement for the barcode, but as a form of standardized ID represents a grevious invasion of personal privacy rights.

Like driver's licenses, social security cards...?

He said RFID wouldn't be suitable as a form of standardized ID, not that we shouldn't have any form of standardized ID (like the ones you mention.)

Ah, like cattle branding then?

 

[Kaido]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Kaido

Originally posted by: Vic
No and no. It has nothing to do with the Bible (or inaccurate interpretations of) or the Matrix. RFID is fine for products, or a replacement for the barcode, but as a form of standardized ID represents a grevious invasion of personal privacy rights.

Like driver's licenses, social security cards...?

Can a police officer read the information on your drivers license or social security card without your consent just by walking past you? Or without even your knowledge just by you walking past them?

I would expect that you would want to keep your own thread intelligent, but it appears you have some type of agenda (as also seems obvious from your OP and poll).

lol what? I don't have an agenda, I just didn't understand what you meant. You make a good point though, how do you control access to your RFID chip?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Kaido

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Kaido

Originally posted by: Vic
No and no. It has nothing to do with the Bible (or inaccurate interpretations of) or the Matrix. RFID is fine for products, or a replacement for the barcode, but as a form of standardized ID represents a grevious invasion of personal privacy rights.

Like driver's licenses, social security cards...?

Can a police officer read the information on your drivers license or social security card without your consent just by walking past you? Or without even your knowledge just by you walking past them?

I would expect that you would want to keep your own thread intelligent, but it appears you have some type of agenda (as also seems obvious from your OP and poll).

lol what? I don't have an agenda, I just didn't understand what you meant. You make a good point though, how do you control access to your RFID chip?

You don't. That's their flaw as a form of ID. Hell, we wouldn't even be able to limit their use to appropriate government authorities, and the incentive for abuse (government, commercial, corporate, criminal, and otherwise) is simply too strong. Sorry if I snapped a little, but this seems obvious to me (and to most people).

edit: as just a small example, do you really want your drivers license and social security information on the same RFID chip that holds your bank and credit account information and medical histories? A police officer pulls you over, goes to access your driving record, gets your bank account, and decides to give you the ticket because you can afford it. You go to the bank for a loan and they deny you on the basis that you have terminal cancer. Oh yeah, this is a Brave New World!

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Kaido

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: Kaido

Originally posted by: Vic
No and no. It has nothing to do with the Bible (or inaccurate interpretations of) or the Matrix. RFID is fine for products, or a replacement for the barcode, but as a form of standardized ID represents a grevious invasion of personal privacy rights.

Like driver's licenses, social security cards...?

He said RFID wouldn't be suitable as a form of standardized ID, not that we shouldn't have any form of standardized ID (like the ones you mention.)

Ah, like cattle branding then?

Considering no one is advocating cattle branding, and we don't currently use any such form of standard identification on humans in the US, why did you mention it?

 

[Kaido]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Kaido

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Kaido

Originally posted by: Vic
No and no. It has nothing to do with the Bible (or inaccurate interpretations of) or the Matrix. RFID is fine for products, or a replacement for the barcode, but as a form of standardized ID represents a grevious invasion of personal privacy rights.

Like driver's licenses, social security cards...?

Can a police officer read the information on your drivers license or social security card without your consent just by walking past you? Or without even your knowledge just by you walking past them?

I would expect that you would want to keep your own thread intelligent, but it appears you have some type of agenda (as also seems obvious from your OP and poll).

lol what? I don't have an agenda, I just didn't understand what you meant. You make a good point though, how do you control access to your RFID chip?

You don't. That's their flaw as a form of ID. Hell, we wouldn't even be able to limit their use to appropriate government authorities, and the incentive for abuse (government, commercial, corporate, criminal, and otherwise) is simply too strong. Sorry if I snapped a little, but this seems obvious to me (and to most people).

It's okay, no harm done It wasn't obvious to me; I just starting looking at RFID stuff this morning (hence the thread & discussion). That is a huge point that I overlooked though...there's no way for you to control what's read off your chip.

But wouldn't it be cool to have a built-in 2-gig memory stick? You'd never have to worry about misplacing your USB memory stick again :laugh:

 

[Kaido]

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: Kaido

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: Kaido

Originally posted by: Vic
No and no. It has nothing to do with the Bible (or inaccurate interpretations of) or the Matrix. RFID is fine for products, or a replacement for the barcode, but as a form of standardized ID represents a grevious invasion of personal privacy rights.

Like driver's licenses, social security cards...?

He said RFID wouldn't be suitable as a form of standardized ID, not that we shouldn't have any form of standardized ID (like the ones you mention.)

Ah, like cattle branding then?

Considering no one is advocating cattle branding, and we don't currently use any such form of standard identification on humans in the US, why did you mention it?

I mentioned it because I didn't understand what Vic meant, I thought he was comparing it to having a standardized ID, not to the way in which it was implemented. An implanted chip is a lot different than a plastic card, I get what he is saying now

 

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Kaido

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Kaido

Originally posted by: Vic
No and no. It has nothing to do with the Bible (or inaccurate interpretations of) or the Matrix. RFID is fine for products, or a replacement for the barcode, but as a form of standardized ID represents a grevious invasion of personal privacy rights.

Like driver's licenses, social security cards...?

Can a police officer read the information on your drivers license or social security card without your consent just by walking past you? Or without even your knowledge just by you walking past them?

I would expect that you would want to keep your own thread intelligent, but it appears you have some type of agenda (as also seems obvious from your OP and poll).

lol what? I don't have an agenda, I just didn't understand what you meant. You make a good point though, how do you control access to your RFID chip?

You don't. That's their flaw as a form of ID. Hell, we wouldn't even be able to limit their use to appropriate government authorities, and the incentive for abuse (government, commercial, corporate, criminal, and otherwise) is simply too strong. Sorry if I snapped a little, but this seems obvious to me (and to most people).

I don't think they consider it a flaw, and I can only hope that the evil a chip like this could bring IS obvious to most people, but I doubt 90% of the population considers the extenuating consequences of it. I'll tell you this though, the day they pass a law requiring current citizens to be chipped is the day I move to Canada (hopefully I won't be too tied down with a family and job at that point).

 

[redgtxdi]

Despite what people want, think or feel.........it's practically a foregone conclusion anyway.


Identity theft has been the talk of the town for the last decade now.

It won't be RFID....(RFID's novel, but not practical).



And despite what people care to think about what the Bible says............why do you think the Bible says "forehead" or "right hand"??? (Only the right hand?? Hmmmmmm)

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
I don't think they consider it a flaw, and I can only hope that the evil a chip like this could bring IS obvious to most people, but I doubt 90% of the population considers the extenuating consequences of it. I'll tell you this though, the day they pass a law requiring current citizens to be chipped is the day I move to Canada (hopefully I won't be too tied down with a family and job at that point).

Rooms in small Canadian townhouse available for rent, $500/mo all inclusive, 6Mbit internet included with legal downloads. :laugh:

- M4H

 

[gsethi]

Will I get automatic speeding tickets if I get one implanted ? What happens if someone chops my hand off to steal my identity ?

 

[Kaido]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
I don't think they consider it a flaw, and I can only hope that the evil a chip like this could bring IS obvious to most people, but I doubt 90% of the population considers the extenuating consequences of it. I'll tell you this though, the day they pass a law requiring current citizens to be chipped is the day I move to Canada (hopefully I won't be too tied down with a family and job at that point).

Rooms in small Canadian townhouse available for rent, $500/mo all inclusive, 6Mbit internet included with legal downloads. :laugh:

- M4H

RFID keyless entry to said townhouse?

 

[Kaido]

Originally posted by: gsethi
Will I get automatic speeding tickets if I get one implanted ? What happens if someone chops my hand off to steal my identity ?

I think there's something to be said for *too* much technology - there needs to be room for gray area, otherwise the system would become an eye-for-an-eye and a tooth-for-a-tooth

 

[Kaido]

Originally posted by: redgtxdi
Despite what people want, think or feel.........it's practically a foregone conclusion anyway.

I dunno, it seems like it'd be awfully expensive and complex. Everyone would need a chip. There would need to be massive databases to keep track of them as well as really good security to keep them hacker-proof (which is impossible as far as I can tell...).

 

[foghorn67]

fvck no. RFID has been hacked by newbs easily.

 

[everman]

I have a credit card that has rfid embedded, you need to hold it very close to the detector to use it, and it kinda confuses the cashier sometimes I rarely use it for that purpose though, more of a novelty, it's also limited to small transactions.

I'd have one implanted if I knew that it was 100% secure AND I must be able to turn it off. I can't see a wireless chip like that ever being 100% secure with any kind of encryption, but in conjunction with biometrics like iris or hand scan it could work.

 

[Kaido]

Originally posted by: everman
I have a credit card that has rfid embedded, you need to hold it very close to the detector to use it, and it kinda confuses the cashier sometimes I rarely use it for that purpose though, more of a novelty, it's also limited to small transactions.

I'd have one implanted if I knew that it was 100% secure AND I must be able to turn it off. I can't see a wireless chip like that ever being 100% secure with any kind of encryption, but in conjunction with biometrics like iris or hand scan it could work.

Yeah, I have a SpeedPass that I use at Exxon/Mobile gas stations, which are prominent in my area. Touching it to the reader actually helps, I've found. It's annoying when it doesn't pick it up right away and you're standing there waving it like a fool trying to get it to activate They also enabled it for use as a credit card when buying snacks inside; it's pretty handy if you want to grab a drink and chips or gum or whatever...just swipe your SpeedPass at the register and you're good to go. Still, it's a minor convenience thing...it saves you all of 15 seconds from having to pull out your card, swipe it, and sign. Meh.

 

[mk52]

I guess people's ridiculous fears never really go away no matter which century we are in.

If something makes my life easier hell yeah would I get a tag like that. Instant checkouts, no stupid passport controls - just walk through, no need to carry anything with you when you go anywhere (vacation, other countires, etc.)

Some of you people sound like the idiots that refuse to get easypass cause they think the goverment is watching were they drive??? To this day it still cracks me up when I zip by in the easy pass lane while others are waiting to pay by cash LOL

 

[Kaido]

Originally posted by: MelikK
I guess people's ridiculous fears never really go away no matter which century we are in.

If something makes my life easier hell yeah would I get a tag like that. Instant checkouts, no stupid passport controls - just walk through, no need to carry anything with you when you go anywhere (vacation, other countires, etc.)

Some of you people sound like the idiots that refuse to get easypass cause they think the goverment is watching were they drive??? To this day it still cracks me up when I zip by in the easy pass lane while others are waiting to pay by cash LOL

Yeah I don't think the government conspiracy thing is a valid excuse. Just look at McDonalds - there are over 31,000 McDonalds operated worldwide by more than 1.5 million people (stolen from their FAQ page). Let's say the government wanted to keep track of all the people who visit McDonalds. Assuming there are an average of 3 doors per restaurant (2 customer and 1 employee), that's roughly 93,000 RFID reader systems they'd have to install. Plus computer processing systems, local networks, and Internet network systems. Plus an enormous central database, or multiple multi-global databases. And there's the chance that not everyone has one, that the tag won't get read because it's blocked by something, etc. The logistics is just too much because you wouldn't just have to apply it to McDonalds, you'd have to apply it everywhere. I don't foresee it happening on either a national or a global scale.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Anyone wants to tag me (in body or otherwise) they'd better bring a lot of well armed individuals with them. I'm perfectly willing to go to arms over it.

 

[Kaido]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Anyone wants to tag me (in body or otherwise) they'd better bring a lot of well armed individuals with them. I'm perfectly willing to go to arms over it.

What I'm asking is if you'd do it voluntarily, for convenience and access purposes. i.e. for fun

 

[IGBT]

..ya. next time ya get a nose bolt or a lip stud make it a implant. The technology works for dogs and cats and horses so why not.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Kaido

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Anyone wants to tag me (in body or otherwise) they'd better bring a lot of well armed individuals with them. I'm perfectly willing to go to arms over it.

What I'm asking is if you'd do it voluntarily, for convenience and access purposes. i.e. for fun

Yeah, but I'm sure you can figure out my response to that given my initial reaction.

 

[Kaido]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Kaido

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Anyone wants to tag me (in body or otherwise) they'd better bring a lot of well armed individuals with them. I'm perfectly willing to go to arms over it.

What I'm asking is if you'd do it voluntarily, for convenience and access purposes. i.e. for fun

Yeah, but I'm sure you can figure out my response to that given my initial reaction.

:laugh:

I think a watch would be a good place to put it - you usually have it on you and you can get within range of a reader easily with it. Plus you could take it off when you are washing your car so that it doesn't keep starting up