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Raduque

Lifer
Aug 22, 2004
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I've always wanted a boat, a cabin cruiser-style. Now I want a pontoon, though. I'll never be able to afford a boat, though.
 

BurnItDwn

Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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jesus christ, other than weadjust, who has owned a boat with a motor on it?

In the 80s my dad bought a 14 foot aluminum boat and my grandma bought him an 8 horsepower Evinrude outboard.

My grandmother's house is in Wisconsin and she has like 70-80 feet or so of water frontage (off of Green Bay.)

We used to put in a steel framed wood deck pier (6 sections of 8 feet long) every spring and then pull it out in the fall .... It was a LOT of work in VERY cold water 2 days of the year, but, then we could use the boat whenever we wanted.

Expenses over the years have been: engine overhaul every 10 years or so. New Prop after uncles drunken friend directed the boat into some water too shallow and damaged the prop on a rock. New paint every 10 years or so. New oars after about 20 years. Since my dad and uncle used to use it for fishing, and they liked trolling, they also purchased a trolling motor and have had to replace the battery for it a couple of times. At one time, they had it rigged for night fishing, so there were expenses of lights and another battery ... but since about 2000 or so, it's only been used during daylight hours.

We've lost a couple of anchors over the years due to the line breaking due to freak storms showing up and the way the anchor was rigged via pully and hung over the tip of the bow.

Also, the boat was thrown from it's launch on the rocky beach to my grandma's deck during a tornado once. It took a few dents, but they all hammered out OK.

Overall, the boat doesn't see much service these days as the water levels have dropped a TON, and you have to go like 100 feet from shore to get to water more than 2 feet deep ... and all the wood from the pier rotted out and my dad and uncles are getting old and not very inclined to install the pier had we opted to fix the one we had or purchase a new one. My uncle lives up in the Sturgeon Bay area and usually when I go visit I help him set up the boat launch, so the boat does get taken out maybe 10 times a year or so still... but not like in the 80s where it was in the water pretty much the whole summer ...

Anyhow, owning a boat is not like owning a money pit in many cases. It depends on the boat and other factors. A big cruiser is gonna be a ton of money to run, but a small fishing boat often won't hurt the wallet that much.
 

alkemyst

No Lifer
Feb 13, 2001
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We had a failed injector on the water (fortunately in the intercoastal on the way home), one little chirp and then the engine went up in smoke. about $20k

Also on power above, if you are going deep sea fishing (really need a boat in mid-20 foot or beeter), dual engines are sort of important and even another 5 knots per hour can be king if a major storm comes out of no where and you want to get back and docked.
 

j&j

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Oct 10, 2011
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Hopefully will be meeting a the guy with the 1997 Ebbtide bass boat tomorrow to do a closer inspection.

This is going to be fresh water/lake boat only in the DFW and possibly Texoma/Austin area. No salt water will be seen by it.

It's nice seeing everyone's experiences, and it clearly looks like the bigger/more complex boat = lots more cash really quick.
 

DrPizza

Administrator Elite Member Goat Whisperer
Mar 5, 2001
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Screw the boat, get this instead !!

http://www.redferret.net/?p=32753

I see crap like that all the time on some of the lakes. A waste of money (imho). They're seagull magnets. Seagulls love to shit on them. (Unless you want to inflate it, use it, deflate it, put it away, rather than think you're going to use it frequently.) I rarely, if ever, see people actually using them. I think they use them once or twice, then realize "we spent how much on this?!"
 

LurkerPrime

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Hopefully will be meeting a the guy with the 1997 Ebbtide bass boat tomorrow to do a closer inspection.

This is going to be fresh water/lake boat only in the DFW and possibly Texoma/Austin area. No salt water will be seen by it.

It's nice seeing everyone's experiences, and it clearly looks like the bigger/more complex boat = lots more cash really quick.

If you can't get him to take it in the water tomorrow, ask him to hook up the engine flush kit (some suction cups that attach to a garden hose and the water intake on the engine, so you can run the engine on land). Once thats on and setup, you can let the engine idle, check things out, and then put it in gear (forward/reverse) and make sure the prop turns and all that. If the guy doesn't have a flush kit, which means he's never flushed his engine, you might as well take that as a bad sign and walk away, as even boats that are strictly freshwater should be flushed occasionally.
 

Jeffg010

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Feb 22, 2008
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Boating is not expensive if you get a motor that is 9.9. Everyone here is talking about rocket boats with 100+ motors on them well hell ya that is going to be expensive. If you are a serous fisherman then going 30+ mph is not going catch you any fish. Most lakes in PA will only let run a 9.9 motor on the smaller lakes. You can go all day on a 6 gallon tank.

We got a boat up at our cabin in MN and it is running an Evinrude 5.5 hp and it is from the 50's they are tanks. Yes we have repaired it over the years like rings and new props but it still running. Where else are you going find a motor running after 50+ years? Yes this motor runs hard in the summer because people will fish sun up to sun down on the lake.

Our PA boat is a 16 foot bass boat and we have it running a 9.9. We put it in the garage during the summer and during the winter we have a good friend that will store the boat for few hundred dollars.

Now if you are looking to go skiing then by all means buy that power boat with the 90 hp on it and have fun. It will cost you to run that with that setup. Also like I said make sure the lake you are going to will let you run these types of motors.

The best day was when we got that bass boat I would never sell that boat ever. It has been 15+ years with this boat and too many good times spent on that boat to remember them all.
 

corwin

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Jan 13, 2006
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I just sold my boat (after 10 years of owning it) about a month ago...it was a sad day but after having 2 kids in the last 2 years there's no time to go out in it and it was wasting away. 17' FourWinns with a 135hp I/O...bought it brand new in '02 and loved it till the end...the worst maintenance I ever had was a $450 tune up three years ago, other than $80 oil changes every year and replacing the impeller once for a little over $100 was all she ever needed. Gas wasn't too terrible since it was only a 4cyl with a 25gal tank, but I kept it at the marina for $150 every month...I'll be buying a bigger one (24ft Yamaha) in about 4 years when my boys are old enough to go out with me, I heartily recommend having a boat if you can afford it, and since you're near me the weather allows for plenty of time to use it even in the "winter"
 

DrPizza

Administrator Elite Member Goat Whisperer
Mar 5, 2001
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Boating is not expensive if you get a motor that is 9.9. Everyone here is talking about rocket boats with 100+ motors on them well hell ya that is going to be expensive. If you are a serous fisherman then going 30+ mph is not going catch you any fish. Most lakes in PA will only let run a 9.9 motor on the smaller lakes. You can go all day on a 6 gallon tank.

We got a boat up at our cabin in MN and it is running an Evinrude 5.5 hp and it is from the 50's they are tanks. Yes we have repaired it over the years like rings and new props but it still running. Where else are you going find a motor running after 50+ years? Yes this motor runs hard in the summer because people will fish sun up to sun down on the lake.

Our PA boat is a 16 foot bass boat and we have it running a 9.9. We put it in the garage during the summer and during the winter we have a good friend that will store the boat for few hundred dollars.

Now if you are looking to go skiing then by all means buy that power boat with the 90 hp on it and have fun. It will cost you to run that with that setup. Also like I said make sure the lake you are going to will let you run these types of motors.

The best day was when we got that bass boat I would never sell that boat ever. It has been 15+ years with this boat and too many good times spent on that boat to remember them all.
This is a good point, OP. Make sure you point it out to your wife, that way she might let you own two boats. (It's why I own two boats! ) If you have the space for an extra boat, get the 16 footer with the 9.9 first. Then when you're out with the wife, say something like, "wouldn't it be nice to have just a little bit bigger of a boat so we can pull the kids on tubes or skiing?"
 
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96Firebird

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Owning a boat isn't really THAT expensive. I don't personally own one, but my roommate has on that we keep at our house. And his brother has 3, and his uncle has one, etc... The one at my house is a 19' Stingray, 4.3L V6, isn't too bad on gas. My old roommate has a nice Cobalt cruiser with a 7.3L V8, a little worse on gas but not horrible. These are all used on Lake Ontario/Irondequoit Bay/Genesee River, and sometimes the Finger Lakes in NY. My roommate was looking at spending $13k on Ranger bass boat a couple weeks ago, but the seller took another offer. I'd say boating is a cheaper way to spend a day on the weekend, $8 to launch and about $20-$40 in gas, and you can take 8 people with you.

My old roommate's dad has a 28ft Donzi cruiser, and that thing is a little more high maintenance than the other boats. But he docks it, and it has more features. I don't see a point in owning a boat like that in my area, since the boating season isn't very long at all. But he enjoys it, and I enjoy riding on it.

Now that I've read page 2, I agree with much of what Dr. Pizza said. Not sure where he goes boating, but I don't think marinas up here are that expensive when it comes to gasoline. But we fill up on the way to the launch, so we pay normal prices.
 
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erikistired

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Sep 27, 2000
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jesus christ, other than weadjust, who has owned a boat with a motor on it?

i had a boat. i was happy the day i bought it. i enjoyed it, but i was constantly throwing money at it. then i sold it. i was happy that day too. i have a lot of fond memories being on the lake, but i don't miss the money pit.

the key is finding someone who owns a boat, who isn't you, who will let you hang out with them. or buy a jet ski if you feel like putting you life into the hands of recreational boaters.

Now that I've read page 2, I agree with much of what Dr. Pizza said. Not sure where he goes boating, but I don't think marinas up here are that expensive when it comes to gasoline. But we fill up on the way to the launch, so we pay normal prices.

gas prices are high on the water here (lake lanier in georgia) but the dock i used still allows you to fill your own from cans. you have to do it at the fuel dock so they can clean up any mess you make, but it's a decent compromise. if you are docking your boat (we had a dry dock, which wasn't too bad, they put the boat in the water ahead of time when we called) it can add up, and if you have a marina that doesn't allow you to bring you own fuel it can add up even faster. i have a friend with a bigger boat that can't be put on a trailer easily, and his marina doesn't allow him to bring in his own fuel. i know he was feeling the crunch last season as prices went way up. not sure how it's going to go this year. at least the lake is up tho, it was half empty for awhile.
 
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FelixDeCat

Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
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We have a boat. It's awesome to have. 18.5 Glastron Fish/Ski combo, 190hp volvo penta. Gas at the marina is expensive - the only option where we spend a lot of time is 91 octane no ethanol. $4.54 a gallon last week. That translates easily into $100 for an afternoon of tubing and skiing. Putting that into perspective though, it costs a hell of a lot more for a lot of other recreational activities - 4 people going to a concert, or going to a football game, etc. In fact, those activities are a hell of a lot more expensive than boating.

I really don't think it's that expensive overall, but I have the space at home to store it & don't have to pay to keep it at a marina. Launching a boat under 25 feet, despite what someone said above, is pretty easy, though I've seen some people at the boat launches really struggle. The general problem is that they can't back a trailer down the ramp - uncoordinated idiots. (Practice in a parking lot somewhere so you don't annoy people who have to wait for your sorry ass. - Easiest way is hand on the bottom of the steering wheel, hand goes in the direction you want the trailer to go.) Some service can be a little expensive; I just dropped mine off Saturday for an oil change and to have the usual service done - checking the lower unit, changing the oil/grease where it's needed. That'll run me about $250. (And as a courtesy, they'll regrease the hubs on my trailer, which saves me a bit of time.) The water pump just started leaking. The marina said I'd probably make it through a week of boating, but after that, I'd need to take care of it. If I had them do it, I'm guessing a couple hundred dollars. I found a kit for replacing the impeller and o-rings etc., on sale for under $20. Last year, my starter went. It might have been a do-it-yourself job, but fortunately, I had the marina do it. From an earlier service, they had pulled it and reused the same bolts. They should have replaced the copper clad bolts, but didn't. The result - the bolts started twisting without the threads giving - my block had to be heated to get those bolts out (add a couple hours to the job) without snapping the bolts and needing to drill them out. Drilling them out would have meant the entire engine had to be pulled, changing what could have been a $200 job without problems, that was a $400 job with problems, into a small fortune.

Overall, I'm quite happy with it. It's got plenty of power for pulling skiers and tubers. On relatively calm water, it runs around 50mph with an aluminum prop. I could get more speed out of it with a stainless steel prop, but don't find that necessary.

Extra equipment isn't as expensive as someone above said. We have enough of those tacky orange life vest things for the capacity of the boat; they cost about $8 each. We also have the much nicer vests, especially since we tube and stuff - since I'm good at bargain shopping, I can get them fairly cheap ($20ish each) - just bought two of them to replace the yucky ones in the kayaks. They were on sale BOGO. I've gone overboard (pun not intended) with purchasing safety equipment - I'm supposed to have a fire extinguisher, I have 2. I'm supposed to have flairs or other visible signalling device - I have both and twice as many flairs as necessary. 1 throwable cushion - I have 4. Whistle as a back-up to the horn, etc. And still, I'm no where near $400. In NY, registration for the trailer is about $20 a year, and registration for the boat is good for 3 years (I think) for somewhere around $100. Other states vary significantly on this. No "license" is required, though you have to take a course and have a certificate before operating a pwc. I'd prefer that people DID have to take a course before boating, though I haven't run across too many morons on the water. Neat fact I learned from one of those courses: it's legal in NY to be operating a boat while drinking a beer; I never would have suspected that. Though, you can still get a dwi if you're intoxicated.

*note: things I ran across last week at our favorite impromptu social gathering/party spot (a shallow sandy cove, warm water, few weeds, 75% protected by a nasty shoal) - a pickup truck tool box retrofitted into a floating pontoon charcoal grill capable of cooking enough bbq chicken or hamburgers for a few dozen people. Also, a floating beer pong table (same cove.)

Very informative. Ive never owned one, but thought about it a few times. The first time on a boat was 1976 and I almost drowned when they were loading the boat and I decided to walk down the slippery ramp while no one was watching. Scary. I went water skiing on Eagle Mountain Lake in 1982. The only thing I remember was it was fun and I had a wedgie. Other than that, I havent been on a boat since.

Your recollection of good times you had under that cove with friends was easy to visualize. You should take pictures or post a video sometime.
 
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alkemyst

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If you are a serous fisherman then going 30+ mph is not going catch you any fish. Most lakes in PA will only let run a 9.9 motor on the smaller lakes. You can go all day on a 6 gallon tank.

If you are talking about lakes sure. That extra power and size is very important to run islands or deep sea.
 

BUTCH1

Lifer
Jul 15, 2000
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If you are talking about lakes sure. That extra power and size is very important to run islands or deep sea.

an '18 class boat is a bit on the small size for an island run, my buddy had one with a 75HP OB we took offshore 20 miles or so a few times from Ponce Inlet, a typical nasty FL thunderstorm brewed up fast one time and we were wishing it had more than a 75 trying to get back!..
 

alkemyst

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Feb 13, 2001
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To go to the Bahamas and back safely most recommend at least a 25' boat and something with some kind of shelter. I wouldn't try it on a single outboard either.

Current also has a lot to do with boat power. Inland lakes and the like usually have very little.
 

Rastus

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A boat is like a wife. You work on it all week long for a 30 minute ride on Saturday.
 
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