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Ajay

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What on earth even makes much use of 12 cores? I wouldn't want it unless a good amount of software and games can use all 12.

Distributed computing folk, it's mentioned in the tweet.
 

Ajay

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I just want an affordable 8 core mainstream K processor. Too much to ask?

No, but Intel is going to make you wait till HW-E before you can have one. Oh, it won't be mainstream, it'll be HEDT.
 
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Grooveriding

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Someone tell him to make it a Haswell-E 12 core instead and we can discuss opening the wallet. Oh wait, not till one year from now can we get the current architecture in an extreme edition.
 

Ajay

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Someone tell him to make it a Haswell-E 12 core instead and we can discuss opening the wallet. Oh wait, not till one year from now can we get the current architecture in an extreme edition.

Nah, 8 cores is fine. There just needs to be an overclockable dual socket for the "pro-sumer" market like their used to be, IMHO.
 

SPBHM

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people payed 1000 $ for the GTX Titan, so I guess 2000-3000 for this would be OK for the same buyers? it would definitely be much faster than Titan, relative to midrange or regular "enthusiast" parts and last a lot longer as a high end product I would guess...

but it's not for me, I would rather see a cheap unlocked dual core from Intel,
 

ShintaiDK

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Unless you OC it to hell and back. You will be beaten easily in games by CPUs with alot less cores.

Its a novelty product that Intel got no interest in on its own. And an employee tries to start a campaign for it.
 

StrangerGuy

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Yeah Intel, keep up pussyfooting around 4 cores and wonder why then people aren't interested in giving money to you.
 

Little n00b

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Nobody needs a 12 core overclockable CPU.

Etc; People on Amazon thought the nVidia Quadro was a gaming GPU and they were really disappointed.

If you're going to use your PC as an extreme workstation the yes..

It's not like I'm gonna be developing/editing Crysis 3 is it?

Are any of us going to be editing a film like Riddick? No.

If you want a future proof rig go with multiple Radeon R9 280x's overclocked with a fan equipped on UBER.

You don't want a GPU bottleneck so go with an Intel Core i7 K series CPU 6 core.




You post is a threadcrap. You do not get to tell people what they will or will not use for this CPU.

If you can't add to the topic stay out.


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SPBHM

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Unless you OC it to hell and back. You will be beaten easily in games by CPUs with alot less cores.

Its a novelty product that Intel got no interest in on its own. And an employee tries to start a campaign for it.

current games OK, but the potential is there, and a more aggressive turbo for 4-8t load could make the difference, but most importantly, extreme edition means unlocked right? so yes, OC would be the main differential compared to xeons or whatever solution you have for 12c right now... so gaming shouldn't be a weak spot at all.
 

BrightCandle

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I am interested in a 12 core machine but only if I can still run it around 4.5Ghz. I can utilise those cores and I have the cooling to keep it running reasonably but I need to make sure its not down on performance in the majority of games. I also don't want to spend more than about £500 on it either, its just not worth that much more to me than the 6 core.
 

SOFTengCOMPelec

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Ironically and in theory it may well actually have some advantages for gaming as well.

Let's assume that it is a golden of golden bin optimized chip (otherwise you would not have 12 cores, ALL working, and yet it meets the TDP with all 12 cores running at full blast).

Also assume the purchaser overclocks like crazy, BUT would never de-lid, and that this 12-core has a soldered TIM (almost certain, as TDP is too big for other TIM).

If the game expects/uses 6 cores (i.e. is ready for the Hex core 2011's), only half the cores are used, but that means that you can get the full turbo boost (I guess), overclock like mad (its a very good binned part, and only half the chip is being used, so much less heat generated, and great soldered TIM, and double (approx) the heatsink area, if that helps, as 12 core is bigger than a quad 4770K).

Additionally the cache (I don't know what size it would be) will be a top end xeon (like) 12 core version, which can add e.g. 5% speed up. (I.e. it will be a giant sized cache (ready for 12 core Xeon), compared to 4770K, in theory).
The memory will also probably have more channels and allow, hopefully the fastest methods/speeds, available.
It may have some additional IPC speedups, in the same way socket 2011, gets some, over the basic architecture (advantage of being a LATE version of the architecture).

CONS: it is an older architecture, than the latest one (usually).

BIG CONS: Most gamers, are NOT going to pay around $2000 to $3500 for the cpu.
(But if they also use the computer as a workstation during their day job, it could be duel use).

Sooner or later, I would imagine games would exploit 12 or more cores, but it may not be for a very, very long time. (I.e. We are not going to see 350GHz single core cpu performance and 100x the instructions per clock, for single core/thread operations, unless there are major technological innovations, and maybe if the laws of physics would give use a break, starting with the speed of light, and the size of silicon (etc) atoms).

A more realistic proposition, would be to make the 8 core Haswell-E chip, come in a super extreme eddition, which allows ALL available cores to be enabled (unlocked) by the user.
So if you buy the 6 or 8 core, you can unlock all 15 (or however many there are on-chip), and if you are lucky get more than the 6 or 8, that it came with.

This should not directly cost Intel any money, because the cores are already there, which may or may not work, and it is the most expensive chip which Intel sell to enthusiasts.

Serious use business customers should be going for the pricey high end Xeons (there are cheap ones, I know), and NOT overclocking (or unlocking cores).

Some business might be lost, so what I describe is NOT clear cut, but should be workable.

E.g. We generally see business's buying xeons (for their higher end computers/servers), rather than buying 4670K/4770K and messing about, overclocking them.

Also very high end business's, with high end servers are multi socket cpus, so unlockable cores, on a single chip (max 1 cpu) would have less impact.

EDIT: N.B. Above is speculation, and a de-lidded 4770K, wildly overclocked (and with a big dose of LUCK on how good a 4770K you manage to get) + water-cooling (maybe), could well have better gaming performance.
 
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Given that CPU upgrades tend to last a user about three years now (or greater), I'd say suddenly an E CPU looks appealing as long as you get in on DDR4 at the ground floor so you have upgrade options as memory requirements scale up for games now fully using x64 code.

Look at the people who bought SB CPU's. They're still sitting pretty today. People who bought 920's? Still rocking, though they might get something from an upgrade. The biggest reason to upgrade these days isn't for more CPU performance for people who bought a system in the last three years. It's for a better platform with more SATA 6G.

So that's why I'm thinking LGA2011 E series makes sense suddenly where it didn't before. Haswell-E with an octacore makes sense if it costs the same as and replaces 3+ upgrades for years.
 

UaVaj

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will consider 12 core when games/application can actually "fully" use "all" 12 core.

for now 2.5 core does wonder on 95% of available software.
 

Pheesh

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A more realistic proposition, would be to make the 8 core Haswell-E chip, come in a super extreme eddition, which allows ALL available cores to be enabled (unlocked) by the user.
So if you buy the 6 or 8 core, you can unlock all 15 (or however many there are on-chip), and if you are lucky get more than the 6 or 8, that it came with.

This should not directly cost Intel any money, because the cores are already there, which may or may not work, and it is the most expensive chip which Intel sell to enthusiasts.

The haswell E 8 core chip would be using a native 8 core die. It would not be on a larger die. Besides even if it was based on say a 15c die, there is a reason that the cores would be fused off. If all cores were functional then they would have sold it for their high end xeon customers with the cores functioning.
 

SOFTengCOMPelec

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The haswell E 8 core chip would be using a native 8 core die. It would not be on a larger die. Besides even if it was based on say a 15c die, there is a reason that the cores would be fused off. If all cores were functional then they would have sold it for their high end xeon customers with the cores functioning.

Sorry!. I had forgotten that they (Intel) had changed their policy, since earlier Socket 2011 cpus. They USE to do this, and I think that is what confused me.

Confirmation - But maybe a different version, here
 

inf64

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So how many users re-twitted his post? Is there some real interest from the enthusiast community in a part like that?
 

Grooveriding

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Given that CPU upgrades tend to last a user about three years now (or greater), I'd say suddenly an E CPU looks appealing as long as you get in on DDR4 at the ground floor so you have upgrade options as memory requirements scale up for games now fully using x64 code.

Look at the people who bought SB CPU's. They're still sitting pretty today. People who bought 920's? Still rocking, though they might get something from an upgrade. The biggest reason to upgrade these days isn't for more CPU performance for people who bought a system in the last three years. It's for a better platform with more SATA 6G.

So that's why I'm thinking LGA2011 E series makes sense suddenly where it didn't before. Haswell-E with an octacore makes sense if it costs the same as and replaces 3+ upgrades for years.

This is it here. The best Intel upgrades are the -E platforms at launch. They last you forever and as a gamer are starting to payoff with the new games coming out taking advantage of the additional cores.

i7 920>i7 3930K>i7 5930K will be the way my upgrade path will look once HW-E comes out next year. No interest in wasting money on a pointless IB-E upgrade. New architecture on -E is the only thing worth it.
 

antisober

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12 cores overclockable? Ridiculous. I mean how big is the market really for users who would need 12 cores anyway? Ehhh I guess I can't be mad because there are folks out there in the world who do but I'd much rather have seen a more marketable product. A bad ass 8 core would do just fine.
 

Ajay

Lifer
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I'd rather see support for dual CPUs with 6 cores each and higher clocks.

Many more people would be interested in this, IMHO. For one, you can always start out by filling just one socket and buying the second one later. The only reason I think Intel stopped doing this is that it was taking money away from Intel's partners (HP, Dell, etc.) lucrative workstation sales, but that's just a guess.


PS Almost 400 re-tweets, I don't know this guy, so I have no idea if that is a good or bad response.
 
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Markfw

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What on earth even makes much use of 12 cores? I wouldn't want it unless a good amount of software and games can use all 12.
I have a dual 12 core AMD system, and a 12 core, 24 thread Intel system, and a 8 core 16 thread Intel system, and they all use all the cores. I could use an infinite number.
 

Bubbleawsome

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I'm waiting for 16c/32t. I do the occasional build for a friend, I just need to find a friend who owns a government data center. Imagine having the honor of building a quad 16c/32t 16x k40 system.
 
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