We only get a certain amount of time on this earth and then we die. Might as well enjoy ourselves while we're here.
Let thou who has not sinned, cast the first stone!...lol My rig far out performs my need. Living to only fulfill one's needs is not living at all!
We only get a certain amount of time on this earth and then we die. Might as well enjoy ourselves while we're here.
Remember, Intel is evil and it's not right to support them regardless if they are faster. Supporting Intel isn't enjoyment, it's evil. /s
Is that why I spent the rent on CFL?We only get a certain amount of time on this earth and then we die. Might as well enjoy ourselves while we're here.
Is that why I spent the rent on CFL?
Edit: Or is that my technology addiction?
Errr... what? I think you got tad ahead of reality there. Now, I would also love 1700s being sold for $50/piece everywhere, that would be lovely. So I kind of understand your youthful enthusiasm, but sadly wishful thinking never made the wishes happen, alas.
It's more likely that these won't drop to very low prices for years. While they don't provide high absolute (single-core) clock OC like i7-2600K, with the eight cores, they will probably represent something between a Core 2 Quad 6600 and i7-2600K in moral longevity. And prices of 2600Ks weven't funny as far as this spring at least, considering we're talking 6 years old chips with serious chance of high-vcore degradation from long-term OC.
Anyway I would probably not do this, it's too soon for upgrade and the difference is too small. I think putting money in something else would be more fun. VR headset, huge 4K screen, some silly-fast SSDs if it is for bragging rights (seriously speaking those probably only matter for benchmarks), or some non-PC/HW items actually. I would probably be interested in the VR helmets, I'd like to try the Everest simulation some day, the 8000s are fascianting but one doesn't really get the feel of what it is like being on it, from TV.
Regarding the first point - yes, clock for clock Zen cores are between Haswell and Broadwell cores. But Skylake is only 10% ahead clock for clock, so Intel has made very little progress in per clock performance over the last four years. The only drawback is that AMD is limited by the 14nm LPP process which doesn't allow for clock speeds to be as high as Intel's revisions of 14nm.Sorry but, AMD tech has no resale value. It hasn't in the last 10 years and wont now. The reason: AMD parts are purchased usually by people who cannot afford intel or have no idea what a processor is. AMD discounts their products in reaction to anything intel does because they have zero brand recognition , AMD has the ST performance of intel processors from 4 years ago. these are facts which will not change. It will be easier to unload a Pentium or celeron processor in 2 years time. I wish AMD had a processor out similar to the original Athlon which beat intel in nearly everything but. they don't. They have a product with a bunch of under-performing cores which 90%+ of the market can't make any sort of use of.
AMD parts are purchased usually by people who cannot afford intel or have no idea what a processor is. AMD discounts their products in reaction to anything intel does because they have zero brand recognition , AMD has the ST performance of intel processors from 4 years ago. these are facts which will not change. It will be easier to unload a Pentium or celeron processor in 2 years time. I wish AMD had a processor out similar to the original Athlon which beat intel in nearly everything but. they don't. They have a product with a bunch of under-performing cores which 90%+ of the market can't make any sort of use of.
Customers don't care about process nodes, they care about final product performance, power consumption, price. It so happens that the need for MT performance / dollar was greater than many anticipated.Regarding the first point - yes, clock for clock Zen cores are between Haswell and Broadwell cores. But Skylake is only 10% ahead clock for clock, so Intel has made very little progress in per clock performance over the last four years. The only drawback is that AMD is limited by the 14nm LPP process which doesn't allow for clock speeds to be as high as Intel's revisions of 14nm.
Sorry but, AMD tech has no resale value. It hasn't in the last 10 years and wont now.
Alright I'll play -- what about the same question with my new 6850k? Paid $350 for the cpu and mobo a few months ago. Runs good at 4.3.
6850k @ 4.3 vs 8700k at say 4.8 for ~$150 more?
imo i really dont think coffeelake is a good upgrade because of the stupid z370 platform and how its gonna be retired out quickly.
so unless u intend to upgrade to something entirely new after coffeelake, or you hold your system for a while, the z370 is already a sinking ship to be on. This is why i went on the X299 instead of waiting for CF-L or jumping on the Z370.
At least the X299 has more upgrade options like 4core -> 18core.
If you have a bad ryzen chip, then sell it, and get a 1800X and go again at that silicon lottery.
How much would you lose in doing a swap over and how long before you can get your hands on a 8700k CPU?Hello,
I am disappointed with my Ryzen 1700. I lost the silicon lottery and got a bad CPU. It does not overclock well. I am stuck with 3700MHz. With Nzxt Kraken x62, it is 45°C at idle and 75°C under load. My vcore is 1.25v. With anything less this vcore, the system is not stable. CPU Load line calibration is at level 2, VDDSCR_SoC voltage is 1.1v and its calibration is at level 5. I wanted to set VDDSCR_SoC LLC to level 2 but some people reported on the other forums that their CPU died because VDDSCR SoC's load line calibration was 2 or 3.
I tried reinstalling CPU cooling system (because I thought it did not sit well onto the CPU) and also tried with the stock cooler and a Noctua cooler. Still running so hot. At least for me. Also tried to reapply the thermal paste a thousand times. Still so high temps.
Before I bought Ryzen 1700, I had read and watched some reviews and I thought that it would be fine with gaming. The difference with 7700k did not seem so high. Also, I just bought a new 165hz monitor and now I am reading 8700k reviews and it is whetting my appetite. Apart from this, I don't do video editing etc. but I run several virtual machines from time to time. So, 8700k should still be enough as my main use will be gaming.
Would it be a greedy action to sell my current CPU and motherboard and get a 8700k CPU and motherboard? Financially, I am fine with it. But still ... I don't want to be greedy.
My current setup
Oh yeah, That Pic OR Gif is Bad @XX I like it!! Is there anything like that for AMD?
Please ping me when it happens. I'm really looking forward to those supercheap Ryzen 7 1700 steals.
Actually, you even said no value.
Daaaamn, will I get one in exchange for turning up at the hapless seller's place and giving him a bottle or a chocolate?
I've had 2 people offer to buy my AMD 960t just from saying I owned one in forums. AMD does hold value to those who appreciate them.
Be content with Ruby
Aren't the 8c/16t cpu's coming to z390 motherboards though? dont think they will be compatible with Z370.Z370 should have an upgrade to an 8 core chip.
Z370 should have an upgrade to an 8 core chip.
What gave you that idea? I'd hate to tell someone that and have them buy a Z370 with the expectation that they have an upgrade coming when they probably don't. I've been reading that Z370 is just a stop gap board and will only support these current 6 core chips. Intel will then sell people Z390 shortly after which will support 8 core chips. Man you are really giving Intel the benefit of the doubt here, lol. We should all know better. Intel will do everything humanly possible to provide you with as little as possible (unless you are a shareholder and trying to spur Intel product sales of course).