Want to sell my Ryzen 1700 and get a 8700k. Is it stupid or greedy?

[Justinbaileyman]

AMD will keep AM4 for like another 2-3 years. Its how they do. Its why I am content with my 1700 at 4GHz right now. It'll work fine until AMD releases their 5GHz 8 core CPU's.

What kind of cooling are you using to hit that 4Ghz?What are your temps like? Any lockups with programs or bsods while gaming?

 

[Markfw]

I'm starting to have second thoughts now big time. Sounds like Z370 and 8700k is only going to be a one trick pony. I am not into that. I was under the understanding that there was going to be a possible drop in upgrade for 8c/16t on the Z360.
If thats not the case for sure then I think its time to cancel the whole Z370 idea and give Ryzen another shot. Cause as Im hearing it right now sounds like AMD Pinnacle is going to be a drop in for X370 and thats what Im looking for is an upgrade path for the future not some one trick pony where I have to buy a new fricken motherboard every 6-9 months.
so do R7 1700 run cooler then R7 1800x and which is less likely to have the Linux Bug?I had an 1800x at stock and it ran hot as hell and had the linux bug so I was cursed with a double wammy..

Do you still have the 1800x ? If so, post in the Ryzen builders thread with vcore and settings. Something was amiss, bad memory, bad bios, too much vcore, something.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

Do you still have the 1800x ? If so, post in the Ryzen builders thread with vcore and settings. Something was amiss, bad memory, bad bios, too much vcore, something.

No unfortunately I sold it a couple weeks ago and just recently decided I was going to try out CFL but now I will just try again on Ryzen and hope to have a better outcome this time around.

 

[Reinvented]

No unfortunately I sold it a couple weeks ago and just recently decided I was going to try out CFL but now I will just try again on Ryzen and hope to have a better outcome this time around.

So, if your CPU had the Linux bug, why didn't you send it in for RMA?

 

[Markfw]

So, if your CPU had the Linux bug, why didn't you send it in for RMA?

Yes, I did hear that a few of the very early 1800x's did in fact have a defect, and later ones were all OK.

 

[DrMrLordX]

I'm starting to have second thoughts now big time. Sounds like Z370 and 8700k is only going to be a one trick pony.

Well, it isn't like Intel has been exactly hiding that. How recently did we even find out about 8c/16t Coffeelake in the first place? 2018's CPU was supposed to be Icelake, and then . . . maybe it wasn't. Maybe. We don't exactly know.

The 8700k is what it is. It stands alone. You don't know about the future, other than the fact that the 8700k is a pretty good bet to last for awhile regardless of future developments. I have a feeling that a lot of Blue buyers will camp on the 8700k about as long as they were on the 2600k. Just a thought.

 

[Topweasel]

I have a feeling that a lot of Blue buyers will camp on the 8700k about as long as they were on the 2600k. Just a thought.

It really is the first tangible upgrade that doesn't require a 2x or more expensive board and twice the sticks of memory. You are probably right.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

So, if your CPU had the Linux bug, why didn't you send it in for RMA?

Didn't even know that was an option? Thought you could only RMA if the part was not working not if it had a bug from being an early adopter.

 

[Reinvented]

Didn't even know that was an option? Thought you could only RMA if the part was not working not if it had a bug from being an early adopter.

Well, if you did your research and bothered to read around, there's been plenty of articles that state that AMD would replace your CPU if it indeed had the Linux bug. RMA is for parts not working as intended. This was not working as intended.

 

[Topweasel]

Didn't even know that was an option? Thought you could only RMA if the part was not working not if it had a bug from being an early adopter.

No the bug is considered a manufacturer defect and you can call in and they might have you change a few bios settings and test again but if the bug exists they will swap it out.

 

[Hans Gruber]

I happened upon very familiar prose on another forum. The question is what is spam. The answer, this thread.

https://linustechtips.com/main/topi...d-get-a-8700k-is-it-stupidgreedy-or-is-it-ok/

 

[eddman]

Yes, it needed to change, but this cannot be accepted because they could have easily avoided it but chose not to. Intel knew they had a 6 core coming. Everyone sais how these chips don't get released over night. It takes time and lots of it. They knew 8700K was coming right on the heels of Z270 and they could have accounted for it, but chose not to.

A theory; maybe they wanted to keep compatibility with the former gen, skylake, and not break their pattern. It is also possible that 200 boards were already in advanced stages of development with mainboard makers, so maybe changing specs midway was not a good idea.

Even if 8 cores are supported, in a few short months the proper Z390 board will be out with Z370 being the half measured stop gap solution.

I don't remember a board series that did not support all the models of that gen, so there is a good chance all 300 boards support all CFLs, including 8 cores.

Z390 doesn't seem to add anything critical. Nice native additions, but not critical. Z370 does seem sort of half-measured. It's still acceptable I suppose.

 

[eddman]

The cache may need to be reorganized to be more like HEDT chip cache, and it will end performing more like a HEDT chip on games.

I'm not versed in cache inner workings. Why might they "need" to change the cache hierarchy? Is there a limitation to the current approach?

Haswell-E and Broadwell-E use the normal cache system, right? There are 8 core models of them.

 

[PeterScott]

I'm not versed in cache inner workings. Why might they "need" to change the cache hierarchy? Is there a limitation to the current approach?

Haswell-E and Broadwell-E use the normal cache system, right? There are 8 core models of them.

They use close to double the cache of the current HEDT chips, which I doubt an 8 core CL would.

 

[eddman]

They use close to double the cache of the current HEDT chips, which I doubt an 8 core CL would.

Well, yes, because SKL-X had a massive increase in L2 cache, so such a big L3 was perhaps not needed anymore.

An 8 core CFL would be 16 MB; a 2 MB to core ratio, as it is with other non-HEDT i7s. Doesn't seem to be anything out of the ordinary, combined with the usual small L2 cache.

 

[Eric1987]

What kind of cooling are you using to hit that 4Ghz?What are your temps like? Any lockups with programs or bsods while gaming?

I didn't do any stress tests because my stable OC is whtever I use my PC for. And my temps were around 60-65c at 1.41 I believe.

 

[UglyDuckling]

Go 8700.. TBH it is an upgrade for gaming tasks.

 

[Topweasel]

The specific reason for the cache change on SL-X had to do with the adoption of a the Mesh vs. Ring Bus. Since the don't do per core L3 slices like AMD, all of their cores had the same 100ms+ latency to L3. Increasing the L2 reduced the dependency on L3 performance.

It's doubtful if a 8c socket 1151 CFL compatible die exists that it would be based off server die. I personally question the existence of a 8c CFL altogether, but assuming it exists it would still be ring bus and therefore not have the alterations made with SL-X.

 

[Rakanoth]

Lately, my Ryzen system (the one in the original post) started to crush with any ram speed above 2666MHz. More sadly, it cannot go above 3.7GHz recently (probably as a result of degradation), even with 1.4volt.
I already had an inch to switch to Intel since 8700k came out, as you have read in this thread. Now that 9900k is released, I have decided it is time to upgrade and yesterday I ordered Gigabyte Aorus Z390 Master with 9900k from Amazon.de.

 

[scannall]

Keep what you have, it's not a bad part. Unless drooling over benchmarks is your thing. ZOMG Timmy next door got a whole 3 FPS more than me! *cry*.

Honestly, unless you dive into the bargain basements there are no bad CPU's. Unless you read too many tech forums.

 

[epsilon84]

Keep what you have, it's not a bad part. Unless drooling over benchmarks is your thing. ZOMG Timmy next door got a whole 3 FPS more than me! *cry*.

Honestly, unless you dive into the bargain basements there are no bad CPU's. Unless you read too many tech forums.

Maybe you should add a 0 after your 3 fps for added realism

This is a hell of a thread necro, but I can see where the OP is coming from - a 1700 @ 3.7GHz isn't the best option to pair with a 1080 Ti along with a 165Hz gaming monitor. A 8700K @ 5.0GHz can be up to 50% faster for high refresh gaming: https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwrevie...paste-delid-gaming-benchmarks-vs-2700x/page-4

There is nothing wrong with wanting to upgrade for a ~50% performance increase in your primary usage, especially if the OP could get a decent amount back selling the 1700 a year ago.

 

[Chicken76]

So you're paying 900 Eur (~$1000) for CPU+Mobo on the mainstream platform, eh? I can see someone paying this amount for a HEDT combo, but for mainstream? That is just wrong. How did we get here?

 

[epsilon84]

So you're paying 900 Eur (~$1000) for CPU+Mobo on the mainstream platform, eh? I can see someone paying this amount for a HEDT combo, but for mainstream? That is just wrong. How did we get here?

Welcome to the world of disposable income

In fairness, historically flagship CPUs have cost $500 - $1000. Think back to the Pentium days, or even as recently as Athlon FX or Pentium Extreme Editions.

What has changed is that there is a new 'HEDT' market for where these super expensive chips used to rule. The 9900K somewhat blurs the distinction in that it brings entry level HEDT performance on a desktop platform.

 

[Heclone]

The R7 1700 was and is a very good value CPU. However - especially with a capricious one - it is definitely not the CPU I would recommend for high refresh gaming.

But even a 8700k or a 9700k would grant a big jump in high refresh gaming (actually there's near to no difference) for much less money.

Nevertheless +2c/4t or +8t might be good for gaming in a few years. And does already help in general system fluidness especially while streaming.

Anyway, enjoy your new rig !

 

[frozentundra123456]

So you're paying 900 Eur (~$1000) for CPU+Mobo on the mainstream platform, eh? I can see someone paying this amount for a HEDT combo, but for mainstream? That is just wrong. How did we get here?

Where do you get $1000.00?? 8700k is 350 to 400 dollars. I am not that familiar with what motherboards are good, but I should think you could get one for around 250. So more like 600 dollars, 700 tops, not a thousand.