Wanted: $1,200 mid-gaming laptop

JackSpadesSI

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Ok, I'm looking for a 14-15" laptop to be a good jack-of-all-trades computer with mid-to-not-quite-high gaming capabilities. I'd like to be able to play Diablo III and Star Wars: The Old Republic on this laptop, but not necessarily on max settings. My flexible budget is ~$1,200.

I'm currently looking at the Dell XPS 15 (note: not the 15z). Specs:
i7-2670QM (quad) 2.2GHz
+$105: i7-2640M (dual) 2.8GHz
+$125: i7-2760QM (quad) 2.4GHz

GeForce GT 540M 2GB (Optimus)
8GB Dual Channel DDR3
750GB 7200 RPM HDD
15.6” 1080p display w/ 2MP webcam
Windows 7 Home Premium
BD/DVD/CD combo drive
10/100/1000 network card
Wireless-N, Bluetooth 3.0
2.1 speakers w/ SoundBlaster X-FI
Backlit keyboard
90 WHr 9-cell battery

That's $1,269.99 (with the i7-2670QM)

I'm already at my budget, but I'm wondering if the default processor is good enough. Are the upgraded processors worth their premium?

Also, what about other laptops? While the 15z certainly looks better than the 15, it only comes with a 525M GPU and no Blu-ray (although that's not a requirement for me).

Advice is appreciated!
 

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I wouldn't recommend getting that dell. In the $1200 range, you should be looking for a GTX 460M or higher.
 

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as an alternative, you can call into dell and ask for a sales rep.... start with that build and 'downgrade' the components you don't need. 8gb -> 4gb, 750gb -> 500gb, bd -> dvd, 9 cell battery -> 6 cell which should put it at around 1050. Then, with the 150 you save you can get a sata2 ssd (100-120), an optical bay hard drive adaptor (10-20), 4gb ram (10-15) and have decent gaming performance + ssd for applications and games + hdd for storage.

It is a bit of work, but I think an ssd is better in general for ALL tasks especially if you only need moderate gaming performance.

edit: also if you want, you can buy a cheap external enclosure for your dvd drive. Not too sure about the price of those things though.
 
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as an alternative, you can call into dell and ask for a sales rep.... start with that build and 'downgrade' the components you don't need. 8gb -> 4gb, 750gb -> 500gb, bd -> dvd, 9 cell battery -> 6 cell which should put it at around 1050. Then, with the 150 you save you can get a sata2 ssd (100-120), an optical bay hard drive adaptor (10-20), 4gb ram (10-15) and have decent gaming performance + ssd for applications and games + hdd for storage.

It is a bit of work, but I think an ssd is better in general for ALL tasks especially if you only need moderate gaming performance.

edit: also if you want, you can buy a cheap external enclosure for your dvd drive. Not too sure about the price of those things though.

Interesting choice for a first post, welcome.

That said, $1200 should get you a laptop that will play it high end if you stick it out long enough. I recommend heading to notebookreview.com and go to their buy/trade section. Pretty much everything posted there are laptops.

EDIT:

Ah a fellow Michigander I see.
 

rabbitz

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Interesting choice for a first post, welcome.

That said, $1200 should get you a laptop that will play it high end if you stick it out long enough. I recommend heading to notebookreview.com and go to their buy/trade section. Pretty much everything posted there are laptops.

EDIT:

Ah a fellow Michigander I see.

Thanks =)

I've been a long time reader of AT and just recently got bored, decided to check out the forums and found this topic that is almost exactly the same situation I was in a couple months ago. I was also looking for a 15 inch laptop with decent gaming ability and in the $1000 price range.

I figured the i7-2630qm (same level as the i7-2670qm) was the best balance between cost($$), performance(ghz) and future-proofability (cores). After reading the AT article on the l502x about it's screen and speakers I knew I had to get one myself too. My laptop is almost exactly the one I described: i7-2630qm, 4gb ram, 500gb hdd, gt540m, centrino1030 with bluetooth, fhd lcd screen, backlit keyboard and dvd drive. Came to about 1050 before tax. I then added one of those ebay optical bay adaptors (about <$15), vertex2 160gb ($150 bnib off kijiji), and 4gb ram (bought 2x4gb for $40 at canada computers sale, gave original stick to a friend).

Somethings that I have learned since: gt540m is pretty much the gt525m at higher clocks. Some people say $100 is a waste to upgrade since u can juts get gt525m and overclock it (although gt540m comes with 130w adaptor vs 90w adaptor...). Other people then point out that you can also overclock the gt540m, which should be able to go higher since it was probably a higher quality in the first place to be binned as a gt540m. Personally I found out after I had bought the laptop, but even if i had known i still dont know what I would have done.

As for the ssd, I put it where the original hdd was (its a bit of work getting to the hard drive bay, but nothing as difficult as all the whining about it leads you to believe) and put the hdd in the ebay optical drive adapter (12.7mm) which fit perfectly where the dvd drive was. There was a bit of vibration because the hdd was a bit smaller than the space given to you by the adapter but I just stuck some stuff to pad the sides and top and now it is super quiet.

Ram is easy to install as any other laptop and worked perfectly so no need to write about that.

Overall I am quite satisfied with it so far... no problems at all. I don't really have any comparable laptops to judge it against though. There is one thing that bothered me a bit but it is a really specific complaint. The xps15 only has mini display port and hdmi... which would be OK except I bought a dell u2312hm that has vga, dvi and displayport but only comes with vga and dvi cables. If you need to connect your laptop to older display things (like projectors in schools?) then the lack of vga/dvi might be a turnoff but nothing a $3 adaptor cant solve.

The one thing I really liked about it is that it comes with the dell battery meter which you can use to turn on/off battery charging. I don't know if it actually does anything, but it makes me feel a lot better to turn charging off while it is plugged in.

One more thing about the ssd: I used to hibernate a lot but the ssd bluescreens quite frequently when I wake it from that, so now I just sleep instead. It will bluescreen once in a while so I make sure to save all important things first, but other than that I am ok with it since I got it at such a good price.

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oops forgot to answer OP's questions. Apparntly the 15z's screen and speakers, what I consider the main reason for choosing the xps15 over others, are not really that great. I think AT has an article about that too, but from what I can remember the 1080 screen is just mediocre and the laptop is not big enough to fit the mini-subwoofer thingy that makes the xps15 sound good.

As for the processor, I had a choice between i5-2410m, i7-2630qm, i7-2620m, i7-2720qm. I was originally going to go for the i5, but the i7-2630qm was only slightly more $$. As for the 2620m, dell had it priced $100 more and although it has faster clockspeeds, it is only dual core. The general opinion at the time was to go for i7-2620m if you wanted power right now, and i7-2630qm if you wanted better value in the future. The 2630qm seemd fast enough (since I was already considering the i5) and at $100 less, it was an easy choice for me.

The 2720qm is powerful, but at $200 more it just seemed like overkill and pushed me wayyy over my budget. I would wager that adding an ssd for the cost of the 2720qm upgrade would give you much more noticeable gains for general usage.

Other laptops I considered were the macbook pro 13 (for resale value pretty much.. which is why I was also looking at i5-2410m+hd3000 combos), thinkpad t420 (always wanted a 'business' laptop.. then realized there was no point), asus g-series (again, figured the graphics card was overkill for me and would come at a cost of battery life + heat), hp envy (heh... actually this thing was way overpriced but i had a look at it anyways since it had a 2nd gen sandy bridge and backlit keyboard). the XPS 15 by far was the best fit for my needs, and I have had really good experiences buying stuff from dell, so I went for it and haven't regretted it at all.
 
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JackSpadesSI

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rabbitz, do you have the larger 9-cell battery or the 6-cell battery? If you've got the 9-cell battery does the protrusion bother you? The configuration I'm looking at (the only way to get that price with those specs) requires the 9-cell battery but I'm really not crazy about how that makes the laptop look!
 

rabbitz

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rabbitz, do you have the larger 9-cell battery or the 6-cell battery? If you've got the 9-cell battery does the protrusion bother you? The configuration I'm looking at (the only way to get that price with those specs) requires the 9-cell battery but I'm really not crazy about how that makes the laptop look!

Like I said, you can call and tell them you want that configuration, but you want to downgrade the battery.

I have a 6 cell but I would actually rather have the 9cell.... the reason I went for the 6 cell is that I thought (and still do think...) that the protrusion is juts so.... ugly. I would have preferred it to span the whole width if it was REALLY required.

However, I find myself propping the back of the laptop up a lot(fried my first laptop... now I'm always very careful about overheating) so I guess a 9 cell wouldn't be as bad as I had thought, but I can't do anything about it now and new batteries are like $150 .

Anyways, the reason I prop it up is because the fan draws in air from the bottom and, when I put the laptop on a hard flat surface, i always feel like my poor laptop cant breathe since the table blocks the only intake vent. I have a thinkpad for work and I prefer the way it takes in air from the side and blows it out the back.... that way I don't have to worry about where I put it and just have to make sure the sides/back are clear.

If you plan on carrying your laptop in a bag you might want to think about how flat it has to be... i had a netbook with a protruding battery before and it was nice and thin EXCEPT for the giant battery so I ended up removing it and storing it beside my netbook everytime i packed it into my bag and, of course, the hinge on one side of the battery ended up snapping off so I had to tape the battery in place.

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one more thing... it seems that dell laptops in general run a bit hot and the xps 15 is no different. While other laptops have temps up to 70 or 80 the xps15 can go up to the 90s during stress tests. I can't really go into detail because I got scared after doing one of those processor stress tests and havent pushed it too much since, but some people say that as long as temps stay under 95 or 100 then it is 'within spec' and fine, while others are opting to play it safe and re-apply better thermal paste to their processor. I don't know how comfortable you'd be doing that (I sure am not), so before you decide maybe you should read up on xps 15 temperature problems.

There is also many complaints about a fan problem where it will randomly start up, run a bit, then stop even if you are using it lightly but there was a thread on how to fix this, and I can't remember what I did but my xps's fan behaves nicely and stays off ALL the time unless I am gaming.

edit2:

in regard to the nvidia gtx cards, the brands that come to mind right away are asus with their g-series laptops and clevo laptops.
I remember browsing the asus site and their g laptops advertise some kind of fancy air cooling system.. might wanna check that out. Also, from what I've read, people are mostly happy their asus g laptops and they are decently priced for their specs but I don't have any experience with them so theres nothing I can say.

From what I remember, clevo is a company that makes modular laptop components and then resellers will rebrand them and sell them as their own. Sager is probably one you've heard of. These laptops are actually really well priced and usually people that buy are extremely happy with them. My friend bought one a while ago and he was really satisfied with it up until it just died on him a short time outside the warranty period which kind of scared me away. Of course, this is just a single incident and I never followed up on what he did about it so I don't know if it is a widespread problem or not. Which reminds me, one of the reasons I went with dell is because they have almost universal praise on their 3 year accidental warranty coverage. There probably is some kind of bias in play, but you can simply search for 'dell warranty experience' or something and read those yourself. Actually, I think the first things that got me to take dell seriously were all the stories about how people would buy a laptop with 3 year warranty and, when it broke down within the warranty period but after dell had stopped producing that model, they would instead receive a newer model which was quite often (in the stories anyways...) a much higher priced model (e.g xps broke down and was replaced by alienware). I didn't get the 3 year warranty (It isn't cheap... maybe 300 or 400 more?) but I thought that it would be interesting to mention.
 
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JackSpadesSI

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Well, I didn't call but I did do the website text chat (with two different people) and I was told that it is not possible to downgrade to the smaller battery. That's right, Dell wouldn't give me a cheaper product upon request!!!
 

rabbitz

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Well, I didn't call but I did do the website text chat (with two different people) and I was told that it is not possible to downgrade to the smaller battery. That's right, Dell wouldn't give me a cheaper product upon request!!!

You have to call, the online chat is a completely different (and quite frankly useless) beast. When I first started I also used dell chat because I thought it would be the same service but a lot more convenient. I was very wrong. Not only did the online chat reps not have the power to do anything for me, they were also frequently misinformed and yet still provided conflicting answers from rep to rep. For example, when the inspiron 15r first came out it came with a discrete graphics card option listed as "AMD Radeon HD 6470M 512MB (dual)". I asked three different chat reps what the (dual) meant and got three different answers. One told me it was actually two separate graphic cards (like... 2x 512MB 6470m), the second told me that it was actually not two 512MB graphic cards, but two 256MB graphic cards, and the third told me that it was actually just one graphics card with 2x 512MB (so 1GB) dedicated memory.

So I called in and the quickly connected me to a 'tech' who actually knew what he was talking about, and turns out all three of them were wrong. (dual) just means that it switches between the discrete card (so a SINGLE 512MB 6470M) and the intel hd3000m... not to be confused with amd dual graphics which is what they use for llanos. Basically a fancy way to say the AMD equivalent of Nvidia's optimus.

I just checked the site and they now have 'NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 525M (128-bit) 1GB (Quad)' as an option so actually I don't even know if what I said was even correct...

the point is, the chat reps can't really do anything for you and aren't that well informed so there isnt a reason to use them over calling. By calling in, however, the sales reps can help you downgrade parts and add options that the online configurators don't allow. I have heard of stories of people even getting things like those anti virus trials and the office student editions removed for even more savings but I guess they are just really good at negotiating.

anyways, they are pretty fast with calls so it doesnt hurt to call in and ask for a quote... I know the main reason I didn't call at first was because every other company I have called seemed to love putting me on hold for hours at a time. Make sure you prepare before you call though (find the configurations that you are interested in, and make a note of the things you want to downgrade) and have a pen and paper ready because you might want to get the extension of the sales rep if they are nice and are willing to give you a good deal.
 

JackSpadesSI

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You have to call, the online chat is a completely different (and quite frankly useless) beast.

Ok, I called and you were right. They can do the smaller battery, but there are two problems: they say the larger battery is highly advised for the GT 540M (I can't imagine it really requires that much more power than the GT 525M, though), and they won't honor a $100-off coupon code that I found online with the over-the-phone custom build.

Given all that, I guess I'll suck it up and deal with the fat battery!
 

JackSpadesSI

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Any thoughts on the CPU selection?

i7-2670QM (quad) 2.2GHz
+$105: i7-2640M (dual) 2.8GHz
+$125: i7-2760QM (quad) 2.4GHz

This laptop will be used to play Star Wars: The Old Republic, and general web surfing. When Diablo III comes out, I'd REALLY like that to run on this laptop, too (but I understand that those specs aren't released yet).
 

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Any thoughts on the CPU selection?

i7-2670QM (quad) 2.2GHz
+$105: i7-2640M (dual) 2.8GHz
+$125: i7-2760QM (quad) 2.4GHz

This laptop will be used to play Star Wars: The Old Republic, and general web surfing. When Diablo III comes out, I'd REALLY like that to run on this laptop, too (but I understand that those specs aren't released yet).

What currency is that in? What are you going to be using the laptop for?

I don't think the 9 cell is any different than the 6 cell except for capacity... if it means anything I have been using the 6 cell and haven't noticed anything off (but then again I've never tried 9 cell). It really comes down to preference haha.

As for the processor.... you can immediately rule out the i7-2640m because for $20 more, the i7-2760 is superior in ever way. You can check them out here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Bridge#Mobile_platform

I only know about the i7-2630qm/i7-2620m/i7-2720qm, which I THINK are the same as the current 2670qm/2640m/2760qm with only lower speeds. Anyways, the difference between the 2630qm and 2720qm is just the clockspeed and i thinkthe 2720qm has vt-d virtualizatoin or something... anyways if you don't know what it is you probably don't need it. Oh and the 2720 supports 1600mhz ram i think..

Between the 2670 and 2760 though... I can't say. On one hand the 2670 is
probably more than enough for your needs but for only $125 to get 400mhz more turbo + option to use 1600mhz ram... its really a question only you can answer =P
 

JackSpadesSI

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What currency is that in?

USD.

What are you going to be using the laptop for?

Playing Star Wars: The Old Republic (and, eventually, Diablo III) and web surfing/ general use.

As for the processor.... you can immediately rule out the i7-2640m because for $20 more, the i7-2760 is superior in ever way.

I agree.

Between the 2670 and 2760 though... I can't say. On one hand the 2670 is probably more than enough for your needs but for only $125 to get 400mhz more turbo + option to use 1600mhz ram... its really a question only you can answer =P

Well, I just want other people's opinions as to whether or not the $125 premium for the i7-2760QM will make an appreciable difference in the laptop's ability to run SW:TOR and, based on speculation and beta information, Diablo III.
 

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Oh in that case, I don't think so... like I said the graphics card should be the limiting factor if anything...

For the l502x gaming benchmarks in the AT article, sc2 ultra settings (which is considered a more cpu-heavy game) got 31 fps in 1600x900 and 24.5 fps in 1920x1080 with the gt540m and the lower-clocked i7-2630qm. If you don't require absolutely maxed graphics quality on 1080p then I think it's safe to say that getting the i7-2670qm is a rather safe choice if you'd prefer not to spend the money.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that if you had $125 to spend on getting the faster processor or getting a faster graphics card, getting the graphics card would be the better choice.
 

JackSpadesSI

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Ordered:
Dell XPS 15
i7-2670QM (quad) 2.2GHz
GeForce GT 540M 2GB (Optimus)
8GB Dual Channel DDR3
750GB 7200 RPM HDD
15.6&#8221; 1080p display w/ 2MP webcam
Windows 7 Home Premium
BD/DVD/CD combo drive
10/100/1000 network card
Wireless-N (upgraded), Bluetooth 3.0
2.1 speakers w/ SoundBlaster X-FI
Backlit keyboard
90 WHr 9-cell battery

Ugh, delivery date isn't until 1/5! :'(
 

HumblePie

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Good stuff. I have similar spec for my laptop. Only difference is I got mine through the dell outlet using a 30&#37; off coupon at the time so I paid about $750 + tax + sh which was $820 or so total if memory server me right about a year ago.

I got lucky and got in on that Western Digital firesale on their SSD they had at newegg. Snagged a 256GB gen 2 SSD drive for $200. It's been running great in the dell laptop I have ever since. Just used Paragon to do the whole system backup from the drive that came with the laptop and placed the image on the SSD with no problem. It does take a long while to do it though. Arconis and Paragon take roughly 4 to 5 hours when I tried both to make sure it wasn't something going wrong.
 

SandEagle

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Ordered:
Dell XPS 15
i7-2670QM (quad) 2.2GHz
GeForce GT 540M 2GB (Optimus)
8GB Dual Channel DDR3
750GB 7200 RPM HDD
15.6&#8221; 1080p display w/ 2MP webcam
Windows 7 Home Premium
BD/DVD/CD combo drive
10/100/1000 network card
Wireless-N (upgraded), Bluetooth 3.0
2.1 speakers w/ SoundBlaster X-FI
Backlit keyboard
90 WHr 9-cell battery

Ugh, delivery date isn't until 1/5! :'(


I have the same laptop with the exact same specs as you. bought it about a month ago for the same price. The DELL website says that this laptop can only handle 8GB ram max. That is not true. the i7 2670 cpu has a max memory setting of 16gb:
http://ark.intel.com/products/53469/Intel-Core-i7-2670QM-Processor-%286M-Cache-2_20-GHz%29

if anything, it's a bios limitation that would prevent you from upgrading beyond 8GB. I have flashed to the latest A07 bios and this should work. there's a few folks out on notebookreview and the dell community that have gotten this to work. i just ordered 16gb to drop into this laptop. here's a link to the memory i posted in hot deals:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2215767


first thing i did was replace that crappy HDD with a Crucial m4 SSD SATAIII 128GB. the included WD Skorpio750GB HD retails for ~ $210 on Newegg. get an SSD and eBay the HDD.

i'll let you know how the memory upgrade goes. all in all, this is a solid laptop and i absolutely love it. the JBL surround sound and the 1080p display is simply amazing. the 9 cell battery is bulky and tilts the laptop up slightly, but its hardly noticeable. in fact, i think the tilt actually allows for better heat dissipation. i've been getting 7-9 hours on a charge, very convenient. only negative is that yes, this laptop is a bit on the heavy side, but not as bad as i had expected based on some reviews i read.

make sure to join this forum dedicated to the L502X, ton of great info and help from the community:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/dell-xps-studio-xps/564192-dell-xps-15-r2-l502x-owners-lounge.html
 
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