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dug777

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Originally posted by: Nextman916
well i wasnt exactly goin for a response because i never asked a question...Of course im not gonna address a person that answers my question as a loser, you know i wouldnt either and i have no idea why you would even say that. I bet ur gonna ask your children if they will jump off a bridge if their friends are doing it. And you are just as bad as him pointing out off topic comments. Which need i repost happen all the time? you cant prevent people from expressing opinions off topic so just shutup about it.

thanks for jumping into my thread just to abuse people. At least the two arguing are arguing about something related to this thread, whereas you are clearly just trolling...didn't you read the sticky?
 

BFG10K

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you're entirely correct in both those conclusions, but it just goes to show there's no point in a discussion with you as you're apparently incapable of comprehending anything beyond its most simplistic form.
Right, so we've established that ATi has an issue with Sacrifice. Now what?

Lock this thread? Ban all future discussions about IQ because there's a Sacrifice issue?

Tell us Cainam, what was the point of your comments? What did you hope to achieve here by discussing a 5 year old game?

And obviously ur a F*ckin loser who has no life, scanning the forums every second of the day.
Maybe you should leave the forums until you have your twelfth birthday and then try again. It's obvious you're not capable of having an adult conversation or following adult thinking patterns.
 

Nextman916

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Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Nextman916
well i wasnt exactly goin for a response because i never asked a question...Of course im not gonna address a person that answers my question as a loser, you know i wouldnt either and i have no idea why you would even say that. I bet ur gonna ask your children if they will jump off a bridge if their friends are doing it. And you are just as bad as him pointing out off topic comments. Which need i repost happen all the time? you cant prevent people from expressing opinions off topic so just shutup about it.

thanks for jumping into my thread just to abuse people. At least the two arguing are arguing about something related to this thread, whereas you are clearly just trolling...didn't you read the sticky?

Dug i would like to first off apologize for my trolling. I will admit i took it to an uneeded level. However i dont believe i should be accused of jumping into your thread just to argue. Ive scanned this thread alot trying to figure out a fix for the horrible shadow IQ my 6800 ultra displays. If you would look a couple posts before it was BFG who posted a long list of peoples posts and criticize them with sarcasm. I didnt respond very maturely and for that i apologize for as well. BFG would like to end this argument and leave you with a question. What would be your reasoning for your first post to begin with?
 

CaiNaM

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Originally posted by: BFG10K
you're entirely correct in both those conclusions, but it just goes to show there's no point in a discussion with you as you're apparently incapable of comprehending anything beyond its most simplistic form.
Right, so we've established that ATi has an issue with Sacrifice. Now what?

Lock this thread? Ban all future discussions about IQ because there's a Sacrifice issue?

Tell us Cainam, what was the point of your comments? What did you hope to achieve here by discussing a 5 year old game?
you wouldn't be asking that if you'd actually put any thought into anything i posted.

my original comment was, "because you're making it a huge issue. it's kind of like not being able to play sacrifice on any of my rigs with ati cards. while it's certainly not right, one has to consider the relevancy of it.."

"also, if it only applies to a single game (haven't noticed it in any other similar games such as hl2, doom, far cry, fear, quake 4...), isn't it possible it's a bug in the game itself and you should be griping at crytek, or at least include them in your campaign as well?"


my points being that "bugs" in games (whether it's this shadow issue) happen, and this partciular one certainly wasn't "show stopping" as some others have been (and have never been fixed). also that it's possible it may by on crytek's side, and he should put some effort in that direction as well, instead of just assuming it's all nvidia and ranting about it.

then of course, you came trolling in and made some huge issue about sacrifice itself (quoting me out of context, i might add while ignoring the main points, as seems to be your style), and of course, here we are... had you not jumped in to take issue with it, it certainly would not have turned into a main focal point of this thread..

i'm hardly the only onw who's taken issues with your posts in this thread, yet you seem determined to remain on your "high horse", choosing to be condescending and judgemental to those who don't appreciate you "style".

whatever.. while you've certainly contributed to some interesting discussions and presented some valid posts in the past, your involvement in this thread started out as nothing more than confrontational, and has remained so since.

having sufficiently answered your ridiculous question, i won't continue to contribute to your trolling this thread further by commenting on any further posts you may choose to make which aren't acutally related to the topic...


 

gsellis

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Originally posted by: CaiNaM
Originally posted by: BFG10K
you're entirely correct in both those conclusions, but it just goes to show there's no point in a discussion with you as you're apparently incapable of comprehending anything beyond its most simplistic form.
Right, so we've established that ATi has an issue with Sacrifice. Now what?

Lock this thread? Ban all future discussions about IQ because there's a Sacrifice issue?

Tell us Cainam, what was the point of your comments? What did you hope to achieve here by discussing a 5 year old game?
you wouldn't be asking that if you'd actually put any thought into anything i posted.

my original comment was, "because you're making it a huge issue. it's kind of like not being able to play sacrifice on any of my rigs with ati cards. while it's certainly not right, one has to consider the relevancy of it.."

"also, if it only applies to a single game (haven't noticed it in any other similar games such as hl2, doom, far cry, fear, quake 4...), isn't it possible it's a bug in the game itself and you should be griping at crytek, or at least include them in your campaign as well?"


my points being that "bugs" in games (whether it's this shadow issue) happen, and this partciular one certainly wasn't "show stopping" as some others have been (and have never been fixed). also that it's possible it may by on crytek's side, and he should put some effort in that direction as well, instead of just assuming it's all nvidia and ranting about it.

then of course, you came trolling in and made some huge issue about sacrifice itself (quoting me out of context, i might add while ignoring the main points, as seems to be your style), and of course, here we are... had you not jumped in to take issue with it, it certainly would not have turned into a main focal point of this thread..

i'm hardly the only onw who's taken issues with your posts in this thread, yet you seem determined to remain on your "high horse", choosing to be condescending and judgemental to those who don't appreciate you "style".

whatever.. while you've certainly contributed to some interesting discussions and presented some valid posts in the past, your involvement in this thread started out as nothing more than confrontational, and has remained so since.

having sufficiently answered your ridiculous question, i won't continue to contribute to your trolling this thread further by commenting on any further posts you may choose to make which aren't acutally related to the topic...
And this here ends the Sacrifice discussion in this thread. BFG & Maniac - too much stuff that is OT. Thanks for being concerned, but if it needs more discussion, PM or new thread.

Thanks for being concerned.
 

Qbah

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Oct 18, 2005
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Well, I was looking for the solution and got a bit frustrated over those shadows. So I just turned World of Warcraft to relax a bit and look what I found...

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This is ridiculous! I had a short break from WoW, that's why I didn't write anything bout it. I am piss mad. Does IQ mean sh!t these days? Sure looks like it...

I am starting to wonder if there is a very simple, yet deeply hidden (or on the contrary - quite obvious) way of getting rid of this shadow problem. 'Cause come on! No way could ANY half-decent review NOT notice sh!tty shadows like that.

EDIT Seems this is the way shadows look in WoW now... A friend of mine has a x800pro and the shadows look exactly the same (sh!tty). Though I didn't notice it before (and I guess I wouldn't miss something as ugly as that!). Seems ATi/nVidia go the dirty road again... Namely fps > IQ
 

BFG10K

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you wouldn't be asking that if you'd actually put any thought into anything i posted.
You still haven't answered the question. We all know what your opinion is of the issue, I was asking what you hoped to achieve by posting your comments. A thread lock? A ban on all further Far Cry IQ discussion? What?
 

SolMiester

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WTF, I havent a clue what you guys are on about, the random screenies I looked at look fine, are you guys playing the game or recording movies?.
 

dug777

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Originally posted by: SolMiester
WTF, I havent a clue what you guys are on about, the random screenies I looked at look fine, are you guys playing the game or recording movies?.

read the OP...and look at the screenshots...
 

lifeguard1999

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81.87 beta is out. Nothing different for shadows in Far Cry. However, there are plenty of notes that soft shadows are being rendered incorrectly in other applications, and that it is the application's fault.
 

dfloyd

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Hmm so WoW has this problem as well?

And to those not understanding what people are seeing, look at the screenshots and look at the shadows. The shadows in the Nvidia screenshots look very jagged, blocky, and bad. The screenshots of the Ati cards look smooth, anti aliased, and correct. Turning on AA does not fix this problem, in fact turning on or off just about anything we seem to have tried does not fix the problem. And it appears to happen in several games, I have personally saw it in UT2004 and Far Cry. As far as others I cant say yet but I will be checking WoW as well.

Anyone get a response from any websites going to bring the issue up?
 
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Originally posted by: Jeff7181
e_active_shadow_maps_receving = "12"

... seems to improve the quality quite a bit and I don't see any difference in performance. It's not a "soft" shadow though. It's very crisp and you can still see some jaggedness.

default setting of 2

new setting of 12

That looks a lot better...not perfect, but a lot better. I wonder why 2 is the default if it looks so bad on Nvidia cards?
 

flynnsk

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Hmm, I wonder if it's just coincidence that the 80.xx drivers not only happen to show poor shadow quality but also happen to be the very same drivers that were used to gain substancial performance gains as well. I've heard that F.E.A.R is showing visual anomolies as well compared to older drivers.

A suggestion to AT: Instead of the normal benchmark runs for the latest and greatest, why not for once invest some time in producing a quality DRIVER review.

This goes for both ATI and nV. ATI as well has posted very increased numbers (for OGL), though they claim it's due to the way they mapped memory in the programmable controllers used in their Ring Bus. Sure you have optimizations however a large amount of the time there is always give and take, both companies have done it (and seemingly STILL DO). Instead of just running the slew of popular (and thus generaly "optimised") games/apps and producing some nifty bar graphs/piecharts or what be it.. how about focusing on Visual quality. Sure much of what some feel is "good" or "bad" or what be it is subjective to personal tastes and sometimes just brand loyalty.

I would suggest just putting up images from all participants (from exact moments) lableing ONLY the "Old" drivers and the AA and AF setting then doing the same for the "New" drivers. Do NOT give any other hint as to which card/drivers produced which images and let your readers decide which look best.
 

lavaheadache

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Originally posted by: Jeff7181
e_active_shadow_maps_receving = "12"

... seems to improve the quality quite a bit and I don't see any difference in performance. It's not a "soft" shadow though. It's very crisp and you can still see some jaggedness.

default setting of 2

new setting of 12

WOW, that just about fixes the shadow problem. There is still the slightest bit of blockiness left but on my system this is the best it has ever looked. I wonder if there is any fine tuning that can be done. I also wonder what the setting range e_active_shadow_maps_receving can be set at. Dug777 try it out.
 
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Originally posted by: lavaheadache
Originally posted by: Jeff7181
e_active_shadow_maps_receving = "12"

... seems to improve the quality quite a bit and I don't see any difference in performance. It's not a "soft" shadow though. It's very crisp and you can still see some jaggedness.

default setting of 2

new setting of 12

WOW, that just about fixes the shadow problem. There is still the slightest bit of blockiness left but on my system this is the best it has ever looked. I wonder if there is any fine tuning that can be done. I also wonder what the setting range e_active_shadow_maps_receving can be set at. Dug777 try it out.

I'm not sure what the range is either - one tweak guide I found seemed to imply that it was just between 0 and 2, and that obviously isn't the case. In any case, I tried it myself and it seems to work great too, shadows basically look as they should.

(I also tried setting it at some absurdly high setting like 100 or something just for the hell of it, at which point it made the whole map look dark and the game quit to desktop shortly thereafter :laugh:[/i])
 

lavaheadache

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Synth, right now I'm trying to find which setting is the best. I wonder what that value is set at with ATI cards. I kind of want to install my spare 9800 pro just to find out. Anyways, Ill post screenies of before and after in a few mins. btw, I tried a setting of 20 and got the black map thing too.
 

Jeff7181

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Just to let you guys know... I heard back from the guys at The Inquirer. They say nVidia has not responded to them, and they are being good sports and giving them time to research the problem themselves. But if a response is not given soon, they will run the story.
 

Tanclearas

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The "solution" isn't really a solution. From about page 8 in this thread....

Originally posted by: Tanclearas
I tried a bunch of different settings, including \e_active_shadow_maps_receving (receving is not a spelling mistake... on my part anyway). Setting it to 1 made the shadows blockier, so I started heading the other way. According to the tweak guide, valid settings are from 0 to 2. I kept bumping the value higher just to see what would happen. The blocks/jaggies continued getting smaller to a value of 6. I didn't notice any difference going to 7. I pushed on anyway, and values higher than 7 just disabled my driver-forced antialiasing settings, and after reaching a certain point (12 I think), it will go totally messed up (I had to restart my computer). Unfortunately, the shadow blur disappears at values 3 and higher, so although the jaggies are smaller, they are almost more noticeable.

I'm curious to know how many people were able to use the setting of 12 without it causing serious problems.

As for pxc's supposed "fix", I join others in saying that one of the following is true:

1) It's BS.
2) You're simply being a jackass. If you found a solution (which I doubt), you got lucky. I (and many others) have tried adjusting just about every setting in the game's config file looking for a solution. We have also shared all of our information with each other. Any solution that might exist is not obvious.

Come to think of it, you're being a jackass whether you have a fix or not. These forums are a community, and you obviously don't know how to participate in a community.

This describes you quite well. (Warning: profane content)
 

dug777

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Originally posted by: lifeguard1999
Originally posted by: Jeff7181
e_active_shadow_maps_receving = "12"

... seems to improve the quality quite a bit and I don't see any difference in performance. It's not a "soft" shadow though. It's very crisp and you can still see some jaggedness.

default setting of 2

new setting of 12


Thanks for the fix.

it's a lot better, but it's nowhere near a fix when you compare it to the ati shadows...
 
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Just an update - I was playing more FarCry earlier (on mp_radio) and I was getting tons of random slowdowns to under 10fps, other times it would be right back at 60. It was unplayable, really (it was under 10 a lot more than it was close to 60). When I set it back to the default of 2, framerates jumped back up to 60 solid. So, unless something else in my config has changed, I think that shadow setting isn't a real fix...
 

lifeguard1999

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Originally posted by: SynthDude2001
Just an update - I was playing more FarCry earlier (on mp_radio) and I was getting tons of random slowdowns to under 10fps, other times it would be right back at 60. It was unplayable, really (it was under 10 a lot more than it was close to 60). When I set it back to the default of 2, framerates jumped back up to 60 solid. So, unless something else in my config has changed, I think that shadow setting isn't a real fix...

That happened to me last night as well after making the fix. I ended up turning down all the video options, restarted the game, and kept on playing. I did not attribute it at the time to the "fix", but instead to the fact that it happened when I went from an indoor scene back outdoors. Oh well.
 

CaiNaM

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Originally posted by: SynthDude2001
Just an update - I was playing more FarCry earlier (on mp_radio) and I was getting tons of random slowdowns to under 10fps, other times it would be right back at 60. It was unplayable, really (it was under 10 a lot more than it was close to 60). When I set it back to the default of 2, framerates jumped back up to 60 solid. So, unless something else in my config has changed, I think that shadow setting isn't a real fix...

lol... now we need 2 threads with duplicate posts on this?
 
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