WANTED: Ajax Web Developer. Pay: $240,000/year

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: everman
I'd do it, there isn't much risk at all if you're just staying in a major base. Just don't expect to go out on the town and come back in one piece.

Blah, another myth. Coming back in one piece is the ordinary. If everyone died on every mission, there would be nobody left.

Dying isn't the only horrible fate you could suffer. Missing limbs, devastating disabilities, mental health issues, PTSD...

...things that stay with you long after your $200,000 is spent and gone.

Well, nobody in my company of 150+ even has a purple heart (from this tour) yet. Soooo yeah.

I'd suffer much more mentally if I wasn't wearing this uniform. I'd hate myself.

Hey TallBill, are you familiar with Michael Yon or Michael Totten? I think Yon has some of the best reporting coming out of Iraq. What they've reported recently jives with what you are saying.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: TallBill

I'd suffer much more mentally if I wasn't wearing this uniform. I'd hate myself.

Why?

I've mentioned it before. I couldn't stand watching hundreds of thousands of men my age coming over here and to Afghanistan and me sitting in the states doing nothing.

Even now after serving a tour in both countries I'm not satisfied, and will probably continue my military career as an officer after finishing college.

And yes, I look down on able bodied men not willing to raise their hand.

Why? Not to denigrate what you folks are doing there, but IMO, the entire Iraq war is bullshit that has turned into pure horseshit.

I dropped out of high school to volunteer to serve in Vietnam, and spent 22 months there in a Marine rifle company. I have a pretty good idea what it's like to fight in a bullshit war.

I personally have NO PROBLEM with anyone who doesn't believe in the Iraq Clusterfuck enough to be willing to fight in it. That's something you get with a volunteer military. IF this war was about defending America from attack, then I think you'd get a MUCH greater percentage of people volunteering, but this war seems to be more about corporate profits than anything else, and if I were young enough to enlist, I don't think I would.

YES, I believe our troops are doing a good job with what they have to work with...I belive that for the most part, our troops are very good people TRYING to make a difference in that country...(My son served 2 tours in this cluster-fuck war)
What I disagree with, is having our troops there in the first place.

I believe the American people were lied to and sold a pig in a poke by Bush & Company, who then put our troops in harm's way for no good reason.

I support the mission in Afghanistan...or did until Bush's ineptitude allowed Osama Bin Forgotten to get away because Bush started focusing on Saddam instead of keeping his eye on Bin Laden.

Even after my son came home, my wife and I continued to send "care packages" to various Marine battalions startioned in Kuwait and Iraq.
We support the TROOPS, just not the mission...

FWIW, after the first Gulf war, I was offered a pretty lucrative job in Kuwait helping to rebuild. It required an 18 month committment, and the pay and inventives were fabulous, but I had 2 kids in high school, and my wife threw a fit about being left to raise 2 h.s. kids by herself while I went galavanting off to Kuwait. (I really couldn't blame her, even though the money would have been GREAT, so I turned it down)

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: TallBill
And yes, I look down on able bodied men not willing to raise their hand.

I always raise my hand; usually in objection of your mission.

Originally posted by: lozina
Yeah but, unless the Iraqis launch a Tet offensive on your base it's not like you're going to experience much of anything traumatic

US military casualties are just under 40,000 (dead and wounded); no hard numbers for contractors. Why don't you write 40,000 'get better soon' / 'sorry you're dead' cards, if it's not too many

 

[TallBill]

BoomerD, I could care less about the war. When I was a civilian I cared about my fellow Americans that were deploying/fighting/dying. I looked at them and asked myself why the hell they had to go through it. I wasn't special, and had a strong sense of Duty.

Anyways, thats my feelings, I cant help them and I wont lie about them. Possibly some of the same reasons you went to Vietnam? And the same reasons that previous generations went to Europe, and the same reasons that any young man joins any Army during any time period really. FWIW, I still feel like I haven't done my part.

Queasy, no I haven't heard of them.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: TallBill
Queasy, no I haven't heard of them.

Ahh. Yon is a former Green Beret that is currently embedded in Baqubah. Reading the milbloggers, especially Yon, and any bits that you and others post is much more informative than anything coming out of the media IMHO.

 

[TallBill]

MNFI is run by the military but actually puts out good and bad news together. Its weird hearing rumors about something, then checking in on the site and confirming what happened. They word things carefully sometimes to avoid letting the enemy know to much.

 

[Chaotic42]

If I knew Ajax I'd do it.

 

[narcotic]

I wouldn't do it, no ***** way, that's exactly how some people got themselfs beheaded. Unless you're a trained soldier, and are capable of looking after yourself you have no business being there.
Besides wtf they need an AJAX programmer for maintaining DB apps???

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Chaotic42
If I knew Ajax I'd do it.

There's really not much to know. AJAX isn't a language in and of itself, it is a way you use other languages, namely Javascript and a server-side language. They did not mention a server-side language, which tells me that whoever wrote that job description had no idea what they were talking about. The Javascript part can be trivial or complex depending on which server-side language you use and which framework you use with that server side language, if any. With 15 minutes of reading at w3schools you could be writing AJAX using the server-side language of your choice.

 

[Nocturnal]

I have heard that it's pretty safe for the most part for people that do this line of work such as IT and what not. A friend of mine knows someone who is in the Army and just did a stint in Iraq. He said that the guy was okay and in a very safe area and was not in any imminent danger at any time during his stay. Unless the place was nuked, then I would have to guess that this person who takes the job would be pretty safe.

 

[bleuless]

exaggeration much? within 15 minutes of reading you could be writing ajax???

anyways, the description said UPTO 200k, doesn't mean ANYONE that knows ajax will get 200k. I'll bet who ever is hired probably falls in 100 to 150k range, which is only reasonable, and kinda bad if you don't want to go oversea.

 

[Sunner]

For 200k or more I'd go any day, but I doubt they want any Swedes poking around in their databases

 

[TallBill]

Sunner, you'd be suprised how many foreign workers/contractors there are over here.

 

[ABitTooSpicy]

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: TallBill

I'd suffer much more mentally if I wasn't wearing this uniform. I'd hate myself.

Why?

I've mentioned it before. I couldn't stand watching hundreds of thousands of men my age coming over here and to Afghanistan and me sitting in the states doing nothing.

Even now after serving a tour in both countries I'm not satisfied, and will probably continue my military career as an officer after finishing college.

And yes, I look down on able bodied men not willing to raise their hand.

Why? Not to denigrate what you folks are doing there, but IMO, the entire Iraq war is bullshit that has turned into pure horseshit.

I dropped out of high school to volunteer to serve in Vietnam, and spent 22 months there in a Marine rifle company. I have a pretty good idea what it's like to fight in a bullshit war.

I personally have NO PROBLEM with anyone who doesn't believe in the Iraq Clusterfuck enough to be willing to fight in it. That's something you get with a volunteer military. IF this war was about defending America from attack, then I think you'd get a MUCH greater percentage of people volunteering, but this war seems to be more about corporate profits than anything else, and if I were young enough to enlist, I don't think I would.

YES, I believe our troops are doing a good job with what they have to work with...I believe that for the most part, our troops are very good people TRYING to make a difference in that country...(My son served 2 tours in this cluster-fuck war)
What I disagree with, is having our troops there in the first place.

I believe the American people were lied to and sold a pig in a poke by Bush & Company, who then put our troops in harm's way for no good reason.

I support the mission in Afghanistan...or did until Bush's ineptitude allowed Osama Bin Forgotten to get away because Bush started focusing on Saddam instead of keeping his eye on Bin Laden.

Even after my son came home, my wife and I continued to send "care packages" to various Marine battalions stationed in Kuwait and Iraq.
We support the TROOPS, just not the mission...

FWIW, after the first Gulf war, I was offered a pretty lucrative job in Kuwait helping to rebuild. It required an 18 month commitment, and the pay and incentives were fabulous, but I had 2 kids in high school, and my wife threw a fit about being left to raise 2 h.s. kids by herself while I went gallivanting off to Kuwait. (I really couldn't blame her, even though the money would have been GREAT, so I turned it down)

Quoted for being the best post in the thread. BoomerD, I couldn't agree with you more!

 

[Sunner]

Originally posted by: TallBill
Sunner, you'd be suprised how many foreign workers/contractors there are over here.

Well, I suppose they wouldn't mind a Swede taking a few shots and AQ, or stacking up some sand bags, but I'm thinking a database run by a sub department of the DoD would be a tad more sensitive
Unless maybe it's the database backend to the grunts blogs or something

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: bleuless


exaggeration much? within 15 minutes of reading you could be writing ajax???

anyways, the description said UPTO 200k, doesn't mean ANYONE that knows ajax will get 200k. I'll bet who ever is hired probably falls in 100 to 150k range, which is only reasonable, and kinda bad if you don't want to go oversea.

It isn't just the ability to write AJAX though. It is having the security clearance and the willingness to go over to Iraq. Combine those three things and you've narrowed your field of likely candidates significantly....hence the high tax-free pay.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: Kaido
My wife told me to call...I found it on career builder but one of the requirements is having a "Department of Defense secret clearance within last 24 months".

http://www.careerbuilder.com/J...801169-JW-5&ns_siteid=

Hmmm I am quite tempted... I have government clearance too :evil:!

I haven't worked with AJAX much, but I could learn how to use it in about 2 weeks or so.

 

[DBL]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Imdmn04
240k is not worth it to goto a shithole and possibly get killed by suicide bombers.

Better write out the will before you leave.

DC has a higher average murder rate (i think) than baghdad, IIRC.

bombs make news, but there are plenty of shootings on your average day in a big city.

Not even close... Urban legend there. I've seen it used with DC, Detroit, New Orleans and I think most recently Philly.

The murder rate in Iraq is many times that of any large US city.

Baghdad Murder Rate vs DC

On the November 28 broadcast of The Rush Limbaugh Show, guest host Roger Hedgecock baselessly claimed that "the murder rate in Baghdad, the people being killed in Baghdad, is lower than the murder rate of Washington, D.C." Based on estimates from the Brookings Institution, Baghdad's violent death rate since January 2006 is about 238 per 100,000 people; by contrast, Washington, D.C., had a homicide rate of 35.4 per 100,000 in 2005.

 

[purbeast0]

My friend had an opportunity very similar to this that was offered to him.

He was offered $320k for an 8 month project over there, and he would receive the first $80k tax free.

However he was telling me how there are different "danger" levels or something like that, and where his would have been was in the medium one.

In the end he turned it down when he told his parents he was going to do it and the completely broke down. So he ended up not going, and he really wanted to because he was going to use the $$ to pay for his medical school because he's tired of the software programming field.

 

[AdamK47]

Hmmm... I wonder if they need any QA Automation testers for AJAX. I've done scripting for that before.

 

[Josh]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: TallBill

I'd suffer much more mentally if I wasn't wearing this uniform. I'd hate myself.

Why?

I've mentioned it before. I couldn't stand watching hundreds of thousands of men my age coming over here and to Afghanistan and me sitting in the states doing nothing.

Even now after serving a tour in both countries I'm not satisfied, and will probably continue my military career as an officer after finishing college.

And yes, I look down on able bodied men not willing to raise their hand.

But if those able-bodied men disagree with the reasons we are fighting, why would they risk their lives to fight for something they do not believe in? I understand it's because you cannot see your other fellow man being hurt...so why not go to Compton and try and stop the murderers/rapists going crazy over there? Start with domestic problems before you try to solve international problems, right?

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Imdmn04
240k is not worth it to goto a shithole and possibly get killed by suicide bombers.

Better write out the will before you leave.

DC has a higher average murder rate (i think) than baghdad, IIRC.

bombs make news, but there are plenty of shootings on your average day in a big city.

that statistics is wrong, the chain email got riped apart on snopes

 

[toekramp]

applied.

 

[eleison]

What are the murder rates of americans in Iraq compared to americans in american cities? I think that would be a better comparison. Shiites and Sunnis kill themselves all the time... they probably bring the average murder rate up and skew the values..

Originally posted by: DBL

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Imdmn04
240k is not worth it to goto a shithole and possibly get killed by suicide bombers.

Better write out the will before you leave.

DC has a higher average murder rate (i think) than baghdad, IIRC.

bombs make news, but there are plenty of shootings on your average day in a big city.

Not even close... Urban legend there. I've seen it used with DC, Detroit, New Orleans and I think most recently Philly.

The murder rate in Iraq is many times that of any large US city.

Baghdad Murder Rate vs DC

On the November 28 broadcast of The Rush Limbaugh Show, guest host Roger Hedgecock baselessly claimed that "the murder rate in Baghdad, the people being killed in Baghdad, is lower than the murder rate of Washington, D.C." Based on estimates from the Brookings Institution, Baghdad's violent death rate since January 2006 is about 238 per 100,000 people; by contrast, Washington, D.C., had a homicide rate of 35.4 per 100,000 in 2005.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: bleuless


exaggeration much? within 15 minutes of reading you could be writing ajax???

Not an exaggeration at all. In its most basic form, AJAX is:
1. Use of XMLHttpRequest (Javascript) to request information from the server
2. Server-side code to respond to the request
3. Javascript that handles the information that is returned by the server

If you know a server-side language, you really could write some basic AJAX in 15 minutes. You don't *technically* need a server-side language, you could serve up static content. I can think of some limited uses for that, but if you're building an interactive application you really need a server-side language.

The point I was making is that there is not enough information in that job posting to know WHAT you need to know for the job. The server-side language (and framework, if applicable) is much more important to know than the AJAX part.

Edit: Of course I am referring to people who have prior programming experience.