WaPo & ATP&N exposes pure hypocrisy of GOP base

[crashtech]

No, it's actually really simple. Don't post misinformation and don't post logical fallacies. I pretty much only engage when people do one or both, and as you can see, lifer is in my rear view awhile now.

No, that's not what you said. You were being honest, which I appreciate more than your latter attempt to move away from your confession of prejudice.

 

[JSt0rm]

crashtech... pcgeek lied, conservatism died. Now you are the party of Russian communist infiltrators, low edu white men and holy rollers.

 

[ch33zw1z]

crashtech... pcgeek lied, conservatism died. Now you are the party of Russian communist infiltrators, low edu white men and holy rollers.

It's good to be king.

 

[dank69]

No, that's not what you said. You were being honest, which I appreciate more than your latter attempt to move away from your confession of prejudice.

I'm not moving away from anything. The right, in general, has steadily become more insane year over year for the last 3-4 decades. Are there exceptions? Of course. I never said every single one was retarded. Some even had the integrity to outright reject Trump from the get-go. There are plenty of independents who were too stupid to do that.

 

[fskimospy]

It's also impossible to be productive when your interlocutor has already made their mind up about you. As someone who is marginally right of center, I have to take your statement as warning not to bother; based on your sweeping marginalization of everyone on the right, even if I had a reasonable argument, you would not hear it. I think your opinion is almost universally held here, and is a good reason for me and others with differing opinions just to stay out of it, at least those who like to make good use of their time. So continue to have your sport with those too foolish not to just leave, you'll only see me in rare times of indiscretion.

I think you have to admit that modern American conservatism has taken its leave of fact based arguments for the most part.

That's not a joke or a dig either; for the most part the policies conservatives are pushing right now are not empirically grounded.

 

[Amused]

I think you have to admit that modern American conservatism has taken its leave of fact based arguments for the most part.

That's not a joke or a dig either; for the most part the policies conservatives are pushing right now are not empirically grounded.

This about sums it up. When no empirical fact can be used in a debate, the debate stops being about facts and becomes purely ideological. Which is what the right-wing cult media wants. To sow so much doubt in what is, and is not fact that essentially all facts cease to exist except what the cult maintains is fact.

 

[JSt0rm]

I bet pcgeek doesnt show up around here for 3 weeks or more.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I think you have to admit that modern American conservatism has taken its leave of fact based arguments for the most part.

That's not a joke or a dig either; for the most part the policies conservatives are pushing right now are not empirically grounded.

The Right has pretty much lost it with few exceptions. What's sad to me is that some of their opposition is moving towards irrational behavior as well and no one should be impressed by that.

 

[hal2kilo]

crashtech... pcgeek lied, conservatism died. Now you are the party of Russian communist infiltrators, low edu white men and holy rollers.

Boy that's blunt, but it really explains the massive silence.

 

[manly]

Boy that's blunt, but it really explains the massive silence.

How do we know Russians didn't hack into geek's AT forums account 5 years ago to plant all these lies?

 

[hal2kilo]

How do we know Russians didn't hack into geek's AT forums account 5 years ago to plant all these lies?

Huh?

 

[Moonbeam]

It's also impossible to be productive when your interlocutor has already made their mind up about you. As someone who is marginally right of center, I have to take your statement as warning not to bother; based on your sweeping marginalization of everyone on the right, even if I had a reasonable argument, you would not hear it. I think your opinion is almost universally held here, and is a good reason for me and others with differing opinions just to stay out of it, at least those who like to make good use of their time. So continue to have your sport with those too foolish not to just leave, you'll only see me in rare times of indiscretion.

Think about what dank said to this:

"No, it's actually really simple. Don't post misinformation and don't post logical fallacies. I pretty much only engage when people do one or both, and as you can see, lifer is in my rear view awhile now."

Whether you leave or stay is irrelevant to me, I care only about you as a person with feelings, only about how your assumptions affect your happiness. This is why I have done what I can to support your moral feeling that pilloring people for positions they take out of moral concerns liberals don't share is wrong and counterproductive. See my posts above. But look at how a liberal mind like dank's sees the issue:

He is focused on the truth. He is not looking for what positive moral values conservatives are trying to defend and stereotypically do by rationalizations, knowing in their guts as they do, that their moral concerns have real value. He focus only on the truth of what is said and not the motivation.

And, now, if it is stereotypically true that conservatives will not face the truth or falseness of their argument because they know the truth of the worth of the values they defend and are impelled by moral concerns to defend them, coming up with whatever rationalization to do so, then, instead of being treated as Knights of Martyred Virtue, or Christian Soldiers or whatever saintly warriors you would like to picture. they will, when engaging that stereotype, only be seen as liars.

As long as you cling to the notion that conservatives should be treated respectfully, and liberals extend respect only to truthfulness, unconcerned with the underlying moral motivations, and conservatives engage with autonomous regularity is deflections and rationalizations, you and they are destined to feel like victims.

All of this in my opinion is just a war between people who value truth and respect differently on a moral scale and in such a way as to deny the validity of the 'others' moral concerns. And I don't think there are many people who have the slightest idea how they came to value one thing over another. It all springs from unexamined assumptions.

 

[crashtech]

crashtech... pcgeek lied, conservatism died. Now you are the party of Russian communist infiltrators, low edu white men and holy rollers.

I've not said or done anything that should allow you to make a connection between me and the pejoratives you list, yet for some reason you find it fun and easy to do so, and are even garnering cheerleaders. I find it despicable, and further evidence that pointing out the general closed-mindedness that prevails here is not worth another second of my time.

 

[JSt0rm]

I've not said or done anything that should allow you to make a connection between me and the pejoratives you list, yet for some reason you find it fun and easy to do so, and are even garnering cheerleaders. I find it despicable, and further evidence that pointing out the general closed-mindedness that prevails here is not worth another second of my time.

you are the victim.

 

[crashtech]

you are the victim.

Actually, you are, you just can't see it.

/Unwatch

 

[JSt0rm]

Actually, you are, you just can't see it.

/Unwatch

Sure. Its interwoven in the christian religion to be a victim but Im the one who thinks they are the victim.

Here is a hint - If you dont think you are a victim (like me) then you probably dont feel like a victim.

You on the other hand cried because we (I) am just not inclusive enough of your shitty ideas.

Boo hoo special snowflake boo hoo.

 

[JSt0rm]

you came in here to white knight for @pcGeek That fucking retarded shit stain. And now you get hit instead. The dude should of shown back up in the thread and taken his lumps. He would of been better for it. But no. His mind will twist and turn this into whatever he wants it to be.

Its fucking hilarious that the topic of this thread was highlighted by a VERY member of this forum. And now its time to cry that conservatives (lol right) just arent liked. boo hoo. Go cuddle in your dads arms.

 

[Amused]

crashtech... pcgeek lied, conservatism died. Now you are the party of Russian fascist infiltrators, low edu white men and holy rollers.

FTFY. Make no mistake, Russia and Putin are not communist, they are fascist.

http://www.newsweek.com/putins-russia-grip-fascism-312513

 

[JSt0rm]

I know but its an extra little dig into their (the gop) "patriotic" sensibilities. Funny how they wrap themselves in freedumb and love a dictator.

 

[Amused]

I know but its an extra little dig into their (the gop) "patriotic" sensibilities. Funny how they wrap themselves in freedumb and love a dictator.

Gotta keep the high ground of factual accuracy though.

And slowly, the people who have been duped b the right-wing media cult will wake up to the fact that they have actually been indoctrinated into the ideology of authoritarianism, not freedom. Unfortunately, for many, it will be too late.

 

[JSt0rm]

if you want to you can. I prefer the alt facts world of manipulation and deceit. Its fucking hilarious to me.

Its better to present their own alt facts back at them but from the other side so they see how literally stupid they are.

Bring moonbeam in here. We all know conservatives are fearful of change. fearful of people different then them. Fearful of new ideas. Fearful of the idea the world is dying. fearful of those who are smarter then them.

They represent the shittiest parts of humanity and they have for almost all of time. Moony is right about it being needed back when there was a tiger about to eat you at every turn. But today this breed of human needs to get stomped out in the form of education. Real education. Because no free thinking human would ever believe in pizzagate. Or value knowing about some ladies emails over putting up a competent candidate.

Fear and religion and the mix of the 2 will destroy the human race. They were such an asset for early man. our ability to self sacrifice for the greater good of the tribe was an amazing advantage. This basic instinct has been perversed by religion and nationalism. And the righties all over the world eat it up.

 

[Amused]

if you want to you can. I prefer the alt facts world of manipulation and deceit. Its fucking hilarious to me.

Its better to present their own alt facts back at them but from the other side so they see how literally stupid they are.

Bring moonbeam in here. We all know conservatives are fearful of change. fearful of people different then them. Fearful of new ideas. Fearful of the idea the world is dying. fearful of those who are smarter then them.

They represent the shittiest parts of humanity and they have for almost all of time. Moony is right about it being needed back when there was a tiger about to eat you at every turn. But today this breed of human needs to get stomped out in the form of education. Real education. Because no free thinking human would ever believe in pizzagate. Or value knowing about some ladies emails over putting up a competent candidate.

Fear and religion and the mix of the 2 will destroy the human race. They were such an asset for early man. our ability to self sacrifice for the greater good of the tribe was an amazing advantage. This basic instinct has been perversed by religion and nationalism. And the righties all over the world eat it up.

Don't get me wrong, I completely agree with you.

 

[Jhhnn]

I'd be curious to know if those posts and that position on Syria was actually known... and remembered.
Human memory can be a hell of a faulty thing. There's a good faith reason this possibly happened... or not.

I can go with that. Compartmentalization & denial make that problem acute among too many conservatives. The part they have the most trouble with is when they end up on the wrong side of Trickle down, independence, freedom & competition. You know- when they can't compete & are free to starve

 

[JSt0rm]

I can go with that. Compartmentalization & denial make that problem acute among too many conservatives. The part they have the most trouble with is when they end up on the wrong side of Trickle down, independence, freedom & competition. You know- when they can't compete & are free to starve

They tried the free to starve thing in France. It ended with all the rich dead. The rich aren't dumb. They know to keep people fed. It's their dumb minions that don't understand anything. Useful idiots like @pcGeek

 

[pcgeek11]

Fuck you, you god damn liar.

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Once Obama was denied by Congress is when your tune changed. You are such a partisan hack!

No actually I was against intervention ( as in before Russia got its dick skinners into it ) as you so eloquently posted above... Then that was back in 2012 and 2013. Things and situations have changed quite a bit since then. Also my opinion has changed along with it. My post still says what I mean regardless. Obama did nothing except draw an imaginary line in the sand. He could have and did not need congress for what like 60 days... And at the present time it is clear that we should have acted Before Russia got involved. Obviously they also conned Obama and his administration into thinking all the chemical weapons were disposed of.

I still wish there was some way to untangle the US from the shit hole that is the middle east. Unfortunately that is no longer an option.

Why are you such a bitter little person?
Sad, just sad.