UglyCasanova

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Opinion piece as in someone’s opinion. Please discuss your take on that opinion. This does not represent the opinion held of everyone at WaPo. This is not fact but opinion. Not sure how much more of a disclaimer about it being an opinion I can give.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...for-all/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.15957ef8b0ca

But this poses a whole other round of questions that are rarely asked of progressives. If health-care costs continue to rise — as they have for decades in every country regardless of the structure of its health-care system — how are we supposed to structure our tax collection to pay for a single-payer system? Will we automatically keep raising taxes to match health-care costs? How do we guarantee that lawmakers regularly update what will inevitably be an unpopular tax burden so that health-care spending doesn’t result in massive deficits in our federal budget?​
The answer shouldn’t surprise you: Progressives don’t know. Nor do they care. This they made abundantly clear in announcing this week their opposition to a common-sense rule designed to keep federal deficits to a minimum.​
On Wednesday, a number of prominent progressives announced that they would not vote for a rule backed by Democratic leadership known as PAYGO, or “Pay As You Go,” which would require the incoming Congress to offset any new spending with either an increase in taxes or a cut in government spending. In other words, it’s meant to keep deficits from spiraling further out of control.​

Tax and spend and if that’s not enough to cover keep spending and hell go on and spend a little more the kids will get it. Politicians are not looking out for our own well being, they exist to accumulate power and keep their job. You don’t keep your job by making hard decisions when they’re unpopular. And the continued hard decisions that keep having to be made as the cost keep rising, do you entrust politicians to keep raising taxes so that the debt load doesn’t spiral our of control? Or do we accept that it’s virtually impossible for hard decisions to be made by politicians and there will be a constant kicking of the can.

Progressive favorite Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) quickly chimed in on Twitter with her support: “PAYGO isn’t only bad economics, it’s also a dark political maneuver designed to hamstring progress on healthcare + other leg. We shouldn’t hinder ourselves from the start.”​
That should worry anyone. The mentality that resources are infinite and we shouldn’t worry about pay for things because it’s a dark political maneuver. Instead the kids have told me go on and put it on them. If you need more just keep spending, whatever it takes. We’ll worry about how to pay for it later on amirite. That’s the path to national bankruptcy and economic ruin.
 
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Indus

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Everyone who has half a brain knows you can get the same medical care as the USA in other countries for a fraction of the price. Hell my neighbor got a quad bypass in India for $6000 just last year.

That begs the question.. why are our prices so inflated?

Once you figure that out and fix that problem.. the cost of medicare for all isn't a gigantic deficit problem that it's made out to be.
 

UglyCasanova

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That’s not the point, as healthcare costs increase are we entrusting our politicians to do the responsible thing and actually raise taxes to pay for it? Opposition to he "bad economics" are indicating probably not. This isn’t a Dem problem but one inherent in our democracy. Politicians lie to you and make decisions that are popular in the short term even if they have negative long term consequences. Why in the world would our politicians oppose PAYGO?
 

brycejones

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That’s not the point, as healthcare costs increase are we entrusting our politicians to do the responsible thing and actually raise taxes to pay for it? Opposition to he "bad economics" are indicating probably not. This isn’t a Dem problem but one inherent in our democracy. Politicians lie to you and make decisions that are popular in the short term even if they have negative long term consequences. Why in the world would our politicians oppose PAYGO?

PAYGO as currently implemented is a myth anyway. Look at the tax cuts. Again, no conservative gets to play the "fiscal responsibility" card at this point.
 

UglyCasanova

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PAYGO wasn’t implemented when they were cut. Wish it were, and your right conservatives are fiscally irresponsible. "They do too" isn’t a great answer though.
 

Bitek

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Lol @ conservatives complaining about deficits.

Where was the paygo for the tax cuts and massive defense spending increases?

Regardless our system is incredibly inefficient and has the highest per capita spend globally.

Healthcare costs are burdensome to employers and soak up much of money you would otherwise get as salary increases, if you are even lucky enough to have a good hc benefit.

Even if you do, your rare benefit likely ties you to your employer, so discourages workers from seeking new jobs, gaining new skills and higher wages.

Overall our system is a disaster that poorly serves people and limits the potential of workers and the overall economy.

Medicare for all has a much better chance of paying for itself than wasteful Republican tax cuts for rich people.
 
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Bitek

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That’s not the point, as healthcare costs increase are we entrusting our politicians to do the responsible thing and actually raise taxes to pay for it? Opposition to he "bad economics" are indicating probably not. This isn’t a Dem problem but one inherent in our democracy. Politicians lie to you and make decisions that are popular in the short term even if they have negative long term consequences. Why in the world would our politicians oppose PAYGO?

I'm fine cancelling the failed Republican tax cuts for rich ppl as needed
 

fskimospy

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The Washington Post didn’t say this and it is dishonest to say otherwise. They routinely host dissenting opinions.

Who got duped by this, seriously? I imagine conservative media pointed to this.
 
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He works for the Washington Post does he not?

"What's an op-ed?


Taking its name from its traditional position opposite the editorial page of a newspaper, an op-ed is an opinion essay written by a staff columnist or an outside contributor. It should have a clear point of view or argument supported by specific evidence. It does not represent the opinions of The Washington Post — in fact, it may often contradict the opinion of The Post’s Editorial Board."

https://helpcenter.washingtonpost.com/hc/en-us/articles/115003675788-Submit-an-op-ed
 

fskimospy

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He works for the Washington Post does he not?

No. It seems you do t understand the difference between employees of the Washington Post and people they invite to write opinion articles.

Similarly you should notice that Vladimir Putin has written opinion articles for the New York Times. Putin is not a Times employee.

TLDR: the option section of a paper is not an endorsement that those opinions are correct.
 
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fskimospy

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It’s consistently amazing to me that conservatives view opinion pieces as valid factual sources. I genuinely don’t get it.
 
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UglyCasanova

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I never said it was factual. The title is clearly an opinion. No did I ever say I’m a conservative. The guy is an employee of WaPo who writes opinion pieces, where did I say otherwise.
 

Sonikku

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Systems that work in other countries wouldn't work here. Half the country has been so brainwashed into thinking any form of single payer is bad that even if the Dems could pull it off, which they can't, the Republicans would call it bad and do their damnest to undermine it/take funding out from under it/sabotage etc. until it fails at which point they can hold it up as an example of why said system can't work.
 

fskimospy

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I never said it was factual. The title is clearly an opinion. No did I ever say I’m a conservative. The guy is an employee of WaPo who writes opinion pieces, where did I say otherwise.

Your headline says the Washington Post said something. The Washington Post explicitly does not endorse opinion articles they host.

You need to change your title because it’s wrong and misleading.
 
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