WaPo op piece: Progressives can’t be trusted with Medicare-for-all

[soulcougher73]

Yeah I mean, just look at all those US citizens flying to those countries for their innovative cancer treatments.

Oh wait.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-co...dians-increasingly-come-to-us-for-health-care

Oh, wait

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...united-states-for-medical-care/?noredirect=on

Yeah, for every article online there is an equal and opposite article to be found. Nothing new there.

 

[ivwshane]

Me personally, I’m disappointed that @UglyCasanova, after complaining that no one was addressing his OP, has failed to address my critique of the opinion piece.

He hasn't addressed any response that actually addressed the articles claims or premise. Surprised, said no one.

 

[Bitek]

If government (state nor federal) can' effectively (or efficiently) run a DMV or a social security office, the concept of running a health facility is rather hilarious.

Yet our gov runs the most advanced and capable military on the planet.

Hmmm.

 

[Bitek]

Me personally, I’m disappointed that @UglyCasanova, after complaining that no one was addressing his OP, has failed to address my critique of the opinion piece.

Mine nether, although the status quo is indefensible even if you are well-informed good faith debater.

It seems he found an op-ed and ran to start a thread over it without really thinking through the implications towards his own position, and is now trying to back out of his strategic blunder.

 

[vi edit]

I have *A LOT* of opinions on this. Most of them are not popular.
But most generally revolve around the concept that our expectations of healthcare are absolutely fucked up and unsustainable.

We throw FAR too much money and resources at bad practices. We throw far too much money and resources at people who have zero regard for their own health and are nothing but drains on society. Our bodies have an expiration date, funds and resources are finite. Somewhere we will be forced to draw the line on how far we go to keep someone alive.

If universal payer is ever to be "a thing" we are all going to have to sign some social contracts regarding our own lives and that we won't get a bottomless well of healthcare resources thrown at us.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Yet our gov runs the most advanced and capable military on the planet.

Hmmm.

Yeah I mean, they don't have issues with friendly fire, misfires, casualties, etc... Noooo, never.

Advanced technology? Hahaha, keep dreaming, majority of that comes from corporations such as Bowing, Lockheed, etc.

 

[vi edit]

Yeah I mean, they don't have issues with friendly fire, misfires, casualties, etc... Noooo, never.

Advanced technology? Hahaha, keep dreaming, majority of that comes from corporations such as Bowing, Lockheed, etc.

And those are most often human errors. Just like A LOT of medical related deaths from human error in the health care field. Even advanced technology can't solve human errors.

 

[ivwshane]

Yeah I mean, they don't have issues with friendly fire, misfires, casualties, etc... Noooo, never.

Advanced technology? Hahaha, keep dreaming, majority of that comes from corporations such as Bowing, Lockheed, etc.

Just in case you weren't aware, corporations aren't perfect either. The difference being, that government can be held accountable and change according to the needs of the people and not the needs of the share holders and the corporation itself.

 

[brycejones]

Yeah I mean, they don't have issues with friendly fire, misfires, casualties, etc... Noooo, never.

Advanced technology? Hahaha, keep dreaming, majority of that comes from corporations such as Bowing, Lockheed, etc.

Boeing, can't even spell Boeing correctly.

 

[SMOGZINN]

That’s not the point, as healthcare costs increase are we entrusting our politicians to do the responsible thing and actually raise taxes to pay for it?

You don't seem to quite understand how single payer works. It flips the script on capitalism. In single payer healthcare the single payer (the US government in this case) sets the prices and then healthcare workers can decide if they want to work for that amount. It will mean that our healthcare system will have to readjust to new pricing levels, but it will happen.

 

[dainthomas]

Defeating imperial Japan in less than four years or putting men on the moon in less than ten is no problem. But preventing millions of our own citizens from dying of easily preventable diseases is oh-so-impossible according to the incompetent hacks infesting the republican party.

Surely if we just increase the tax breaks for HSA's, that will get the working poor to start using them which will fix everything! Dummies.

 

[Bitek]

Yeah I mean, they don't have issues with friendly fire, misfires, casualties, etc... Noooo, never.

Advanced technology? Hahaha, keep dreaming, majority of that comes from corporations such as Bowing, Lockheed, etc.

Point is what? The gov run military uses the tools that the private sector provides.

Pfizer, Merck et al still make all the tools for the socialized medicine programs throughout the world, including Medicare.

Why can the military be able to be effective and other entities can't?

It's already happening in most first world countries, so what are you suggesting about the US that makes us uniquely incompetent to do so?

 

[Fenixgoon]

Yeah I mean, they don't have issues with friendly fire, misfires, casualties, etc... Noooo, never.

Advanced technology? Hahaha, keep dreaming, majority of that comes from corporations such as Bowing, Lockheed, etc.

And who do you think pays Boeing and Lockheed to develop all that advanced technology? In 2016, 91.6% of LM's net revenue was from government contracts

https://www.usatoday.com/amp/107395784

Likewise, tons of medical research is funded through the NIH

 

[senseamp]

If deficits are OK to fund corporate tax cuts, they are more than OK to fund Medicare for all.