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fskimospy

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To be fair, 14 is hardly pedophilia, unless you have some very immature 14 year olds. Not saying it's ok, but get annoyed when people use the wrong term. If she has breast and pubic hair, it isn't pedophilia. Considering his other victims were older, he probably isn't a pedophile, although he obviously has a thing for young girls. His wife is 14 years younger than him, fyi.

14 is anywhere from 1-364 days away from meeting the standard for ‘lewd and lascivious acts with a child less than the age of 14’ which is the standard law against child molestation.
 

woolfe9998

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Kind of a binary thing, legally speaking, isn't it? It's either pedophilia or it's not.

Pedophilia is not a legal term at all. It's a clinical term. When I say pedophilia I am talking about a sexual preference for pre-pubescents. Of which an interest in 14 year olds is "borderline."

So far as the legal implications, sex with a 14 year old is most definitely illegal. In California, we have three applicable laws: one for 16-17 year olds, a second for 14-15 year olds, and a third for below 14. I don't know about Alabama but it's illegal in every state if they're under 16.
 
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UberNeuman

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I don't know if it will happen but It would be great if the Trumpettes split from the Republican party and take Moore and people like him with them. Let them form their own minority third party.


lol. What world are you living on? They are the party.
 

Zorba

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You ignored my use of the adjective "borderline" before the word pedophilia. I stand by that description.
The vast majority of 14 year olds are close to the end of puberty. So saying it is borderline pedophilia is like saying that you are borderline gay because you looked at a dick once. Pedophilia is a mental disorder where people are strongly attracted to prepubescent children. Being attracted to post-pubescent children is not the samething or even borderline the samething. Physically most 14 year old girls are much closer to adult women than prepubescent girls.

As for 1000 years ago, or even a couple hundred. Girls hit puberty much later and got married younger, so many would've been prepubescent or pubescent when they got married. So it's likely it was acceptable back then, but that doesn't mean it was in the 70s.

I am not saying it is okay, there are still a lot of reasons 14 year olds should be protected from grown men, but misrepresenting a mental illness doesn't really help anyone.

As for the 16 to 18 year olds, i think they would've been over age of consent unless he was in a position of authority over them. Still fucked up but legal.
 
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Zorba

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14 is anywhere from 1-364 days away from meeting the standard for ‘lewd and lascivious acts with a child less than the age of 14’ which is the standard law against child molestation.

And between 366-731 days from legal age of consent. Neither one are the definition of a pedophile.

Don't get me wrong I hope this guy burns in hell, but I don't like terms being misused.
 

senseamp

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Feb 5, 2006
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Alabama will vote for him anyways. He'll say some BS about SCOTUS and guns or whatever.
 

zinfamous

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The whole hatchet job is falling apart. One of his accusers volunteered on his opponents campaign and worked for both the Hillary and Biden campaigns. People in the area are coming forward saying that his accuser who stated she was 14 would have to been older than she is stating. She also has a very checkered past with multiple bankruptcies, multiple misdemeanors and trouble with the IRS. She also has accused several pastors of multiple churches in the area of making sexual advances towards her. I wonder if people like herself do this "for the cause" or if money gets thrown at them. I'm betting on the money.

This is what Democrats have to do in attempts to win political races and I for one applaud their efforts and hope they continue. In fact they ought to double down. Meanwhile, people other than the mainstream media will continue to do the work journalists used to do and expose this underhanded bullshit.

The Internet is obviously working for you because you're here so search this out for yourself. If you're too lazy or prefer to stay in your bubble that's your choice. I'm not your Google bitch.

the desperation.
 

Vic

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Personally I think sex with a fourteen year old perfectly fits the term "borderline pedophilia".
For a 32 year old to have sex with a 14 year old is statutory rape in every state in the country, including Alabama.
 
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Vic

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are you sure about that? even when they are legally married?
Can't be legally married with that age gap.

https://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/alabama-age-of-consent-lawyers.html

"An individual who is 19 years old or older has sexual contact with someone who is younger than 16 but older than 12 has committed sexual abuse. If a person over the age of 16 has sex with a person under that age, they have committed second-degree rape, provided they are more than two years older than their partner."
 

BxgJ

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The whole hatchet job is falling apart. One of his accusers volunteered on his opponents campaign and worked for both the Hillary and Biden campaigns. People in the area are coming forward saying that his accuser who stated she was 14 would have to been older than she is stating. She also has a very checkered past with multiple bankruptcies, multiple misdemeanors and trouble with the IRS. She also has accused several pastors of multiple churches in the area of making sexual advances towards her. I wonder if people like herself do this "for the cause" or if money gets thrown at them. I'm betting on the money.

This is what Democrats have to do in attempts to win political races and I for one applaud their efforts and hope they continue. In fact they ought to double down. Meanwhile, people other than the mainstream media will continue to do the work journalists used to do and expose this underhanded bullshit.

The Internet is obviously working for you because you're here so search this out for yourself. If you're too lazy or prefer to stay in your bubble that's your choice. I'm not your Google bitch.
You are sick.
 

sportage

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They ask...WHY NOW?
WHY DOES SHE COME OUT NOW?
WHY DO THEY COME OUT NOW?

This is it...
Anita Hill was abused and more so grossed-out by our so very highly moral (holding back the tears) US Supreme Court justice Big C. Thomas.
So, why did Anita Hill or why does anyone wait so long to come out with their horror story?
Because.... as most women already know and some men as well, when you are the victim of sexual abuse from some retarded moron the knee jerk reaction is to exit the situation asap.
Or, if you can't run away then try really hard to simply ignore him (or her) i.e. the abuser.
Try to act like you're not upset or didn't see what you just seen or just heard. Or just experienced.
Then... you escape asap, go home, throw-up in the sink, and try to put it out of your mind.
THIS is the usual typical human reaction to sexual abuse.

THEN...
One day you watch in horror and disgust as this sexual predator suddenly is up for US Supreme Court justice, or.... up for the presidency of the United States, or.... up for a US Senate seat.
It is THEN that you remember...
And it is THEN that you MUST tell the entire world who and what this guy really is standing up there about to be elected or appointed to such an amazingly high position.
Until then, your gut reaction is to remain silent.

Maybe its the shame, maybe its the embarrassment, maybe its the hope you can just put this forever out of your mind. And maybe its the fear that should you come out and tell all, maybe no one will believe you or maybe judge you as somehow the weak one.
Hell.... there are a lot of women in the workplace that are sexually abused whether verbally and or physically every day. And you know what? They don't even tell their husbands for gods sake.
These abused women just hope and pray this never happens again.

And for the male victim of sexual abuse?
Guys.... is this something you would REALLY tell the other guys at the gym?
Tell your golfing buddies?
Tell your dude friends in the bar?
NO YOU WOULD NOT!
Because.... you never know.
Would they think YOU encouraged the abuse?
Would they think YOU a bit limp wristed yourself?
Would any man risk what others in the group might think of them?
For the guys, its not so different when reporting abuse. You too understand the stigma.

But like I said.... then the day comes when this pedofile, this sexual predator, this scumbag, this total ass suddenly just might become the next president. Or become the next Senator. Preacher. US Supreme Court justice. Governor. Legislator. Your boss.
THEN, people...
THEN you must come out.
Spill it all.
Tell all of what happened despite it being years ago.
Why? Because you remember. YOU never forget.

For gods sake, HAD any of those women came out at the time and had they called the police and had they then exposed these guys to the world AND TO THEIR FAMILIES, these sexual predators would have most likely spent many many MANY looooong years behind bars.
In prison.
Gang raped day in and day out by several 300 pound hairy inmates.
THAT would most likely have been their fate IF these women had immediately cried RAPE and ran into the street then into the nearest police station.

So....
All of these sexual morons, rapist, pedofiles, sexual predators, all of them should consider themselves DAMN LUCKY their victims did not go immediately and directly to the cops AND to the family of the sexual predator.
You'd think this guy up for this senate seat, who's name shall remain unspoken, you'd think he would be damn thankful his entire life was not ""JUSTLY"" destroyed those so many years ago.
You would think that giving up a possible senate seat, for him, would be the least he could do considering that past alternative of daily prison rape.

Face it, he escaped the horror of a life behind bars because his victim(s) did not in terror run a straight line to the authorities.
You'd think this SOB running for this senate seat would have maybe a tinge of humility to step aside, shut the hell up, and count his frick-en lucky stars.
But NO.......
And THAT should tell everyone a lot about sex predators.
And about this Senate seat hopeful who's name shall remain unspoken.
And tell everyone a lot why this name unspoken acts the way he acts and why he feels for him the law need not apply.

Remind me.... Was this ass not the same ass that Mr. orange ass just pardoned?
And now you know why....
Pedofiles of a feather stick together.

The reason sexual abused women AND MEN wait and kept quiet is simply because they never imagine that such a sexual predator rapist child molester could or would EVER come so close to a position of high power whether in politics or in the justice system.
But....BUT, should that day ever happen, then damn straight you, all of you, would cry out as loud as you possibly could to expose these guys for what they really are.
As they say.... better late than never. Or is it better late than sorry?

It's one thing to keep quiet when a sexual scumbag nobody prays on you.
If its the boss, you can quit your job and move on.
If its the pastor, you can quit that church.
If its the neighbor, you can get a pit-bull, buy a gun, or simply move away.
But that doesn't hold true should they suddenly become a powerhouse able to decide YOUR future.
And.... determine YOUR moral path judged by theirs. And you know theirs....
THIS is why the women wait so long.
And you would too.
 
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cytg111

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Who knew it was gonna be a #metoo movement that actually drained the swamp... to the gallows with the lot of them
 

woolfe9998

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The vast majority of 14 year olds are close to the end of puberty. So saying it is borderline pedophilia is like saying that you are borderline gay because you looked at a dick once. Pedophilia is a mental disorder where people are strongly attracted to prepubescent children. Being attracted to post-pubescent children is not the samething or even borderline the samething. Physically most 14 year old girls are much closer to adult women than prepubescent girls.

No, it's actually in the middle of puberty. It's transitional. Some at that age are mature like 18 year olds, some are more like 12 year olds. I was a high school freshman once too.

That's why I call it borderline.

I am not saying it is okay, there are still a lot of reasons 14 year olds should be protected from grown men, but misrepresenting a mental illness doesn't really help anyone.

As for the 16 to 18 year olds, i think they would've been over age of consent unless he was in a position of authority over them. Still fucked up but legal.

Moore was a 32 year old man who hit up the local high school for sex. Then he became a politician who presumed to preach morality at others. What would you call that sort of person?
 

cytg111

Lifer
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No, it's actually in the middle of puberty. It's transitional. Some at that age are mature like 18 year olds, some are more like 12 year olds. I was a high school freshman once too.

That's why I call it borderline.



Moore was a 32 year old man who hit up the local high school for sex. Then he became a politician who presumed to preach morality at others. What would you call that sort of person?
Subhuman piece of shit swamp creature?
Oh I pity the fool who dares prey on my daughter. I dont mind taking one for the team.
 

Grooveriding

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Does it matter if it qualifies as a pedophile or not? While sure, a girl in high school can look appealing to an older man, she's already hit puberty, who with even just a few teaspoons of decency sees themselves banging a girl in high school at 30 or 40 or up? The idea of taking off my clothes with a 14 year old when I was 32 and touching each other makes me puke.

Can't believe there are people trying to make arguments like that in the media for this piece of trash.
 
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Let's simplify the question. Does anyone have a 14 year old daughter and would be happy with a 31 year old man dating her? Even if it was 1970?
 
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