WaPo: Roy Moore underage sex allegations. 12/4 update: Trump endorses. Jones wins

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Puffnstuff

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Some might say "giving up", but I don't see any reason to talk politics with Trump supporters. I'd eat a shoe if even 10 across the country have changed their positions based on conversations with dirty liberals.
I don't blindly follow party and currently have no party affiliation although I do tend to lean just left of center on most things. If a person is guilty of something they should have to suffer the consequences irrespective of their party affiliation and anyone who is so blinded that they think that scrutiny should only fall upon those members in x party needs help.
 

bshole

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Juanita Broadrrick has weighed in.

Juanita Broaddrick, the woman who accused former President Bill Clinton of raping her, called out comedian Chelsea Handler Sunday evening for denouncing GOP Senate candidate Roy Moore (Ala.) for sexual abuse allegations while giving Clinton a complete pass.
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Yeah, @chelseahandler I can imagine. I was raped by the Arkansas AG who then becomes Governor & President and NBC held my interview explaining the rape until after his impeachment hearing. But I'm sure you don't want to go there.

https://www.lifezette.com/polizette/juanita-broaddrick-exposes-media-hypocrisy-on-roy-moore/
 
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You can always count on Laura Ingraham's ultra conservative website to give a fair and unbiased evaluation of this issue!
Is Ingraham challenging her credibility by pointing out she was having an affair at the time with another married man to attack her character too? Or is that just for when conservatives are accused?

EDIT: Before anyone suggests it, no I don't think that has any bearing or relevance.
 

IronWing

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The main issue I see with this matter is that the national stockpile of pedo jokes was depleted by Michael Jackson so finding fresh material is a hardship.
 

bshole

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You can always count on Laura Ingraham's ultra conservative website to give a fair and unbiased evaluation of this issue!

Actually I heard a conservative talk show host talking about this on the drive home last night. He believes the allegations against Moore and he also believes Broadrrick's claims against Bill Clinton. (She certainly has held a very personal grudge against Bill for a very long time.)
 
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Actually I heard a conservative talk show host talking about this on the drive home last night. He believes the allegations against Moore and he also believes Broadrrick's claims against Bill Clinton. (She certainly has held a very personal grudge against Bill for a very long time.)
The claims are similar as far as supporting evidence goes.
 

woolfe9998

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Whatever is the relevance of Broadrrick's criticizing Chelsea Handler for speaking out against Moore is unclear. There's no evidence of Handler's opinion about Clinton one way or another. And even if she's being a hypocrite, so what? It doesn't change a damn thing about Moore and his behavior.

Conservatives actually seem to believe that Bill Clinton is a perpetual excuse for any and every kind of sexual misconduct in this world not committed by Bill Clinton. This is the argument they are implicitly making, that somehow we give a pass to people like Moore, Ailes and O'Reilly because Bill Clinton. Incredible.
 

K1052

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The problem for the GOP in numbers via Quinnipiac:

https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2500

American voters say 63 - 23 percent, in questions asked Friday through Monday, that Roy Moore should drop out of the U.S. Senate race in Alabama. Republicans are divided, as 38 percent say he should stay in the race and 42 percent say he should drop out. Every other listed group says by wide margins he should get out.

Voters disapprove 43 - 25 percent, with 31 percent undecided, of the way Republican officials have responded to accusations against Moore. Republican voters are divided, as 31 percent approve and 29 percent disapprove, with 40 percent undecided.

All American voters believe 51 - 19 percent the charges against Moore.

Dude is toxic on the national stage for a party already in trouble.
 

kage69

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Dude is toxic on the national stage for a party already in trouble.

Absolutely. Funny how that chauvinist Mitch McConnell is suddenly very respectful of the input of women. That opportunistic prick sees the writing on the wall.
 
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fskimospy

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Whatever is the relevance of Broadrrick's criticizing Chelsea Handler for speaking out against Moore is unclear. There's no evidence of Handler's opinion about Clinton one way or another. And even if she's being a hypocrite, so what? It doesn't change a damn thing about Moore and his behavior.

Conservatives actually seem to believe that Bill Clinton is a perpetual excuse for any and every kind of sexual misconduct in this world not committed by Bill Clinton. This is the argument they are implicitly making, that somehow we give a pass to people like Moore, Ailes and O'Reilly because Bill Clinton. Incredible.

Yes, this really does get at the heart of the issue.
 

zinfamous

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Absolutely. Funny how that chauvinist Mitch McConnell is suddenly very respectful of the input of women. That opportunistic prick sees the writing on the wall.

Does McConnell even have a daughter? If so, I hope he reminds us that he does and that it is his experience as a father that has inspired his brave crusade against perverted pedophiles or epedinophiles, or whatever.
 

kage69

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Does McConnell even have a daughter? If so, I hope he reminds us that he does and that it is his experience as a father that has inspired his brave crusade against perverted pedophiles or epedinophiles, or whatever.

Three daughters from previous marriage. His daughter Porter looks a lot like an ex of mine!

I guess it's easier to back sexual predators like Trump when they're not minors?
 

shortylickens

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Does McConnell even have a daughter? If so, I hope he reminds us that he does and that it is his experience as a father that has inspired his brave crusade against perverted pedophiles or epedinophiles, or whatever.

Next On Trump Tweet:
"If I had a daughter, it would look exactly like that little girl Roy touched even though we dont know who she is and have no photos of her".

Actually, thats kinda stupid even for Donald.
 

J.Wilkins

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Next On Trump Tweet:
"If I had a daughter, it would look exactly like that little girl Roy touched even though we dont know who she is and have no photos of her".

Actually, thats kinda stupid even for Donald.

Well, we do have photos of the daughter Donald wants to fuck.
 

HomerJS

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Whatever is the relevance of Broadrrick's criticizing Chelsea Handler for speaking out against Moore is unclear. There's no evidence of Handler's opinion about Clinton one way or another. And even if she's being a hypocrite, so what? It doesn't change a damn thing about Moore and his behavior.

Conservatives actually seem to believe that Bill Clinton is a perpetual excuse for any and every kind of sexual misconduct in this world not committed by Bill Clinton. This is the argument they are implicitly making, that somehow we give a pass to people like Moore, Ailes and O'Reilly because Bill Clinton. Incredible.
Besides Chelsea Handler was barely an adult at the time.
 

Aikouka

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wow, people have actually told you this? It's amazing the delusions that people can convince themselves of, as if it isn't apparent that they clearly know nothing about the sourcing of such claims. I mean, it requires zero effort to fact check such an absurd claim, but the confirmation bias seems to overpower the actual need for truth in this modern conservative movement which is really just an experiment in the alarming success of mass gaslighting.

Unfortunately, I'm not kidding, and I can assure you that the conversation became quite awkward after that point. It all started because I butted into an "echo chamber discussion" on the whole Moore thing after I heard all the talk about it being so coincidental. I usually try to ignore the conversations, because being a left-leaning, atheist nerd that doesn't care about college football usually means I tend to be counter to most discussions in the south. However, I do get a bit tired of the same excuses after a while, and I'll interject my own typically dissenting opinion. Although, as an aside, the most awkward conversation is when I argued with one of the executives of my company about his comment that the American Museum of Natural History had too much on evolution.

The thing is... I didn't know how to respond to the remark about his speeches, because I've never heard anything good about his oratory skills. The way I took it is that the person making that claim likely says that because they agree with what Trump has to say. If I will give Trump one thing, he's rather good at pandering to his audience. (The person has been to a Trump-led rally twice.) I did mention that Trump isn't very "presidential", but the response was that the person preferred that. They want someone to "give it to them straight", but I think the issue is that people don't exactly question what they're being given. It's what they want to hear, so they just lap it up.
 

K1052

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Absolutely. Funny how that chauvinist Mitch McConnell is suddenly very respectful of the input of women. That opportunistic prick sees the writing on the wall.

A Marist poll that just came out is D+15 on a generic house ballot. That's real fucking bad for the GOP. Seat Moore and it will get worse.
 

DrunkenSano

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I hope people won't be surprised if Roy Moore ends up winning, even if it looks like a preposterous outcome. Look at the Rodney King beatings, the four cops ended up being not guilty, despite how bad the evidence was against the cops. Crazy outcomes can happen and has happened.
 

K1052

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This is pretty gross....

Roy Moore challenged the scope of an Alabama law that protects rape victims while serving as the most senior judge on the state’s highest court, according to a review of records.

As chief justice of Alabama’s supreme court, Moore twice argued that the state’s “rape shield” law should not prevent alleged sex offenders from using certain evidence about their underage accusers’ personal lives to discredit them.

The cases were among 10 between 2013 and 2016 where Moore dissented from the court’s majority view and sided with alleged offenders who were appealing to the court as part of their efforts to overturn convictions or punishments for sexual crimes.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...abama-law-rape-victims-judge?CMP=share_btn_tw
 

urvile

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