WaPo: Roy Moore underage sex allegations. 12/4 update: Trump endorses. Jones wins

[trenchfoot]

They seem to be doing everything they can to ensure he doesn't win. Tossing around write in ideas for voters to consider. Telling people they probably won't seat him. Just enough to hopefully have him just lose in the general.

From which a Democrat would then acquire the seat? Looks like no matter what happens the only folks who are going to have to either swallow their pride or fall on their swords are the Alabamians.

Thank you Judge Moore!

 

[soundforbjt]

My guess is behind the scenes the RNC is telling Roy to stay in the race. They want to keep the seat at any costs.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

From which a Democrat would then acquire the seat? Looks like no matter what happens the only folks who are going to have to either swallow their pride or fall on their swords are the Alabamians.

Thank you Judge Moore!

Personally I think they are terrified for 2018 at this point. They would rather lose 1 to a Democrat than be branded the party of pedophiles and lose everything.

 

[Jaskalas]

I guess having some of his shows advertising revenue pulled has softened his position.

Really, not the accuser that went on camera with evidence? Hannity changed his tune after that.

 

[IronWing]

What if the Dem wins the seat and the folks of Alabama discover that their economic interests align better with more moderately conservative economic policies of the Dems than with the radical crap the GOP has been pushing? What if?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Well this certainly solves multiple problems

McConnell proposes Sessions as a write-in to replace Moore

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/15/politics/mcconnell-moore-sessions-write-in/index.html

 

[MomentsofSanity]

What if the Dem wins the seat and the folks of Alabama discover that their economic interests align better with more moderately conservative economic policies of the Dems than with the radical crap the GOP has been pushing? What if?

Well then they vote GOP next time around against their self interests. DUH!

You not been paying attention?

 

[soundforbjt]

Well this certainly solves multiple problems



http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/15/politics/mcconnell-moore-sessions-write-in/index.html

Yep, gets the recused Sessions out of the way and keeps the seat for an R, win win.

 

[IronWing]

Well then they vote GOP next time around against their self interests. DUH!

You not been paying attention?

 

[Jaskalas]

Well this certainly solves multiple problems

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/15/politics/mcconnell-moore-sessions-write-in/index.html

No write in candidate is going to win this.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

No write in candidate is going to win this.

Nope. But they keep tossing the notion around it could pull enough votes away from Moore.

 

[trenchfoot]

Well this certainly solves multiple problems



http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/15/politics/mcconnell-moore-sessions-write-in/index.html

It certainly gives Alabamians a nice way to save face, but it also conflicts with the attitude of many Alabamians that they don't want any outside interference to determine what to them is their business and no one else's.

It seems to me that like with Trump, it's the hard core base of the party (in this case with the Alabamians) that's going to determine the outcome of this election.

edit - Would be nice to hear from those forum members who are Alabamians what the actual prevailing sentiments are from that state in regards to Moore's situation.

 

[K1052]

Seems Doug Jones is wisely keeping his head mostly down. Not going to DC to raise big $ with fundraisers, dissuading high profile surrogates from talking him up, and quietly mounting a non-partisan TV campaign centered on Moore's behavior. Giving Rs no ammunition to use against him and trying to gently sway people grossed out by Moore. Guy seems to know his business down there.

 

[woolfe9998]

Yep, gets the recused Sessions out of the way and keeps the seat for an R, win win.

Except it's almost impossible for Sessions to win that way, especially with Moore continuing to campaign actively. McConnell even floating the idea of someone else as a write-in candidate substantially increases the chance of a dem victory.

 

[HomerJS]

Well this certainly solves multiple problems



http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/15/politics/mcconnell-moore-sessions-write-in/index.html

Let's just go with the guy who lied his ass off at a congressional hearing

 

[VRAMdemon]

The senate could refuse to seat him but I think Moore would prevail on a legal basis. That leaves expulsion which requires 2/3rds of the Senate to vote but he's need a trial first. If expelled the AL governor would appoint another replacement.

While this is possible the tumult it would cause inside the AL GOP would be crazy. The base wants Moore and expelling him puts them in direct opposition to the national party which will have consequences down the line. Anyway this is a nuts situation the Rs are in just trying to salvage a seat they should otherwise be able to easily keep.

Yeah..the Senate would be trying to remove a senator who has been elected with full knowledge of the allegations. And as we've seen, the Republicans don't have the courage to stand up to the crazies in their party. I suspect McConnell knows that his best strategy is to temporarily forget that Alabama exists and to try to let Doug Jones, a moderate and certainly no 'librul', win and perhaps becomes the 2018 version of Max Baucus

And I suspect that we've not heard the last of witnesses - I mean a fucking mall - a mall BANNED this guy. Do you know how creepy you had to be to be banned by a mall in the eighties. I find it hard to believe that we've heard the last witness and I suspect that Mitch McConnell is of the same mind.

 

[bshole]

It certainly gives Alabamians a nice way to save face, but it also conflicts with the attitude of many Alabamians that they don't want any outside interference to determine what to them is their business and no one else's.

It seems to me that like with Trump, it's the hard core base of the party (in this case with the Alabamians) that's going to determine the outcome of this election.

edit - Would be nice to hear from those forum members who are Alabamians what the actual prevailing sentiments are from that state in regards to Moore's situation.

He is still leading by 6%. I am pretty sure that rock solid videotaped evidence of moore raping, murdering and burying the corpses of six year old girls would not detract evangelical Christians from voting for him.

 

[K1052]

Except it's almost impossible for Sessions to win that way, especially with Moore continuing to campaign actively. McConnell even floating the idea of someone else as a write-in candidate substantially increases the chance of a dem victory.

Yes, when McConnell uses Murkowski as an example that's a much different situation. A Sessions write in campaign is basically a scheme to suck votes away from Moore so Jones can win. Seems the political math has been done that Jones in the Senate is probably a lot less of a liability than Moore Every for Republicans. I'd have to agree with that assessment. Every D running for Congress will smear the R nominees with him.

 

[soundforbjt]

Except it's almost impossible for Sessions to win that way, especially with Moore continuing to campaign actively. McConnell even floating the idea of someone else as a write-in candidate substantially increases the chance of a dem victory.

It’s Alabama, if it was anywhere else I’d agree, Moore’s attorney is claiming the signed yearbook is a forgery right now on MSNBC.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Plus...He's another one of these noisy religious types that rant interminably about 'homosexuals'. Many seem to eventually be exposed as self-hating gays. When confronted by someone with vocal, virulent homophobic views my first instinct is to assume that they must be very insecure in their own sexuality and desires. That may be repressed homosexual thoughts or a general unhealthy relationship with sex. If that is the case then not only is it harmful to those they villify but also to their own peace of mind, especially for those trapped by a conservative religious dogma while being "tormented" by those very feelings you are forced to condemn.

 

[IronWing]

It’s Alabama, if it was anywhere else I’d agree, Moore’s attorney is claiming the signed yearbook is a forgery right now on MSNBC.

More women who saved their yearbooks in 3…2…

 

[K1052]

Intra-party GOP warfare cranking up to full tilt....

 

[woolfe9998]

Yes, when McConnell uses Murkowski as an example that's a much different situation. A Sessions write in campaign is basically a scheme to suck votes away from Moore so Jones can win. Seems the political math has been done that Jones in the Senate is probably a lot less of a liability than Moore Every for Republicans. I'd have to agree with that assessment. Every D running for Congress will smear the R nominees with him.

Yes, I agree. Nate Silver has a pretty thorough analysis of the GOP's options:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/would-republicans-be-better-off-if-the-democrat-won-in-alabama/

He seems to think that it is marginally better for them to sabotage Moore with a write-in campaign and let Jones win, because it would still be easier for the dems to take the House next year than the Senate, and if they do re-take the Senate, they will have retaken the House anyway and already be able to block Trump so there wouldn't be much added advantage to them re-taking the Senate.

 

[bshole]

It’s Alabama, if it was anywhere else I’d agree, Moore’s attorney is claiming the signed yearbook is a forgery right now on MSNBC.

Yea Moore is claiming he didn't know the girl even though he married her classmate.

 

[woolfe9998]

It’s Alabama, if it was anywhere else I’d agree, Moore’s attorney is claiming the signed yearbook is a forgery right now on MSNBC.

Not a surprise. Determining whether a signature is a forgery is a somewhat inexact science, which leaves the door open for a forgery claim. But chemical dating of the ink is more reliable. Like I said above, this should be done if Moore is claiming forgery here.