WaPo: Roy Moore underage sex allegations. 12/4 update: Trump endorses. Jones wins

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bshole

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Not a surprise. Determining whether a signature is a forgery is a somewhat inexact science, which leaves the door open for a forgery claim. But chemical dating of the ink is more reliable. Like I said above, this should be done if Moore is claiming forgery here.

Force Moore to claim forgery under oath.... THEN do the chemical dating.....
 

fskimospy

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Yes, I agree. Nate Silver has a pretty thorough analysis of the GOP's options:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/would-republicans-be-better-off-if-the-democrat-won-in-alabama/

He seems to think that it is marginally better for them to sabotage Moore with a write-in campaign and let Jones win, because it would still be easier for the dems to take the House next year than the Senate, and if they do re-take the Senate, they will have retaken the House anyway and already be able to block Trump so there wouldn't be much added advantage to them re-taking the Senate.

That’s one thing Silver is very wrong about. Taking the Senate has one very large advantage: they can block appointments. The one thing Trump is actually doing competently right now is filling the courts with right wing judges and if the Democrats take the senate that ends. It also guards against the confirmation of another Gorsuch type to SCOTUS.

Edit: not to mention it also stops Trump from nominating corrupt crazies like Pruitt to head federal agencies. It would also double the investigative resources Congress can turn towards Trump’s corruption as you know there’s a deep, deep vein to mine there.
 

trenchfoot

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What with all of this uncertainty revolving around Moore and the controversy he brings to bear, the Repubs in Congress and especially those folks in the Senate are going to have to add mega-doses of 'roids, hundreds of cases of Ensure™ and a lot of sleepless nights to their efforts in order to ram that tax cuts for the rich bill of theirs through the usual geriatric pace of getting bills passed into law.

Those corrupted Repub crooks are really under the gun now.
 

woolfe9998

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That’s one thing Silver is very wrong about. Taking the Senate has one very large advantage: they can block appointments. The one thing Trump is actually doing competently right now is filling the courts with right wing judges and if the Democrats take the senate that ends. It also guards against the confirmation of another Gorsuch type to SCOTUS.

Edit: not to mention it also stops Trump from nominating corrupt crazies like Pruitt to head federal agencies. It would also double the investigative resources Congress can turn towards Trump’s corruption as you know there’s a deep, deep vein to mine there.

You're right. Silver didn't take that into consideration. However, I still think they're better off if Jones wins. The dems will not likely re-take the Senate even if the dem wins in Alabama. The dems have 23 seats up for grabs next year, while the reps only have 8. Leaving Moore in the Senate will damage the GOP brand for next year, while expelling him is fraught with a number of potential problems such as the possibility of not having the votes to get it done.

I think McConnell's reasoning is similar, which is why he just publicly floated the idea of Sessions as a write-in.
 

fskimospy

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You're right. Silver didn't take that into consideration. However, I still think they're better off if Jones wins. The dems will not likely re-take the Senate even if the dem wins in Alabama. The dems have 23 seats up for grabs next year, while the reps only have 8. Leaving Moore in the Senate will damage the GOP brand for next year, while expelling him is fraught with a number of potential problems such as the possibility of not having the votes to get it done.

I think McConnell's reasoning is similar, which is why he just publicly floated the idea of Sessions as a write-in.

Certainly possible, although Silver gives the Democrats even odds of taking the senate if Moore loses. Personally, I think two years of Trump being unable to appoint extreme judges is worth the gamble. Also, I’m skeptical of our ability to see how these things work out long term and so I’d rather take the bird in the hand.
 

HomerJS

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He is still leading by 6%. I am pretty sure that rock solid videotaped evidence of moore raping, murdering and burying the corpses of six year old girls would not detract evangelical Christians from voting for him.
If Roy picked up a boy it would kill him in Ala.
 

brycejones

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He is still leading by 6%. I am pretty sure that rock solid videotaped evidence of moore raping, murdering and burying the corpses of six year old girls would not detract evangelical Christians from voting for him.

Because let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Well unless, you're black, brown, or gay then we need to throw those rocks early and often.
 

woolfe9998

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Moore's wife claims there was no restaurant called "Olde Hickory House" in Gadsden until 2001. The National Review debunks this claim:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/453723/olde-hickory-houses

Evidentaly, there was such a restaurant in 1977 per a city directory for that year.

Incredible, the foolish audacity of claiming that no such restaurant existed. As if something like that can't be checked? WTF?
 

brycejones

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Moore's wife claims there was no restaurant called "Old Hickory House" in Gadsden until 2001. The National Review debunks this claim:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/453723/olde-hickory-houses

Evidentaly, there was such a restaurant in 1977.

Incredible, the foolish audacity of claiming that no such restaurant existed. As if something like that can't be checked? WTF?

It casts doubt, they are throwing shit at the wall at this point just trying to obscure the truth.

Is this what Roy Moore means by Moral Law?
 

bshole

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It casts doubt, they are throwing shit at the wall at this point just trying to obscure the truth.

Is this what Roy Moore means by Moral Law?

LoL, you said that and I automatically thought of Moore's Law..... only engineers would get the joke.
 

woolfe9998

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It casts doubt, they are throwing shit at the wall at this point just trying to obscure the truth.

Is this what Roy Moore means by Moral Law?

In a perfect world, which this is not, non-credible arguments like the one made by Mrs Moore here ought to thoroughly discredit Moore's denial of the allegations. Logically, Moore and his wife would have known that this restaurant existed at the time. Gadsden is not that big of a town. Her denial of the existence of this restaurant is obviously a lie. But that won't stop people from believing the forged yearbook claim or any other attempts to deny these allegations.
 
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Moore's wife claims there was no restaurant called "Olde Hickory House" in Gadsden until 2001. The National Review debunks this claim:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/453723/olde-hickory-houses

Evidentaly, there was such a restaurant in 1977 per a city directory for that year.

Incredible, the foolish audacity of claiming that no such restaurant existed. As if something like that can't be checked? WTF?
I posted yesterday in anticipation of people bringing that up as an argument to discredit the accuser. Point being they don't care to check these things. Literally Millions of your fellow voters would never check the validity of these claims. They just regurgitate all over the place.
 

bshole

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In a perfect world, which this is not, non-credible arguments like the one made by Mrs Moore here ought to thoroughly discredit Moore's denial of the allegations. Logically, Moore and his wife would have known that this restaurant existed at the time. Gadsden is not that big of a town. Her denial of the existence of this restaurant is obviously a lie. But that won't stop people from believing the forged yearbook claim or any other attempts to deny these allegations.

Wait, are you calling an evangelical Christian a liar? Are you aware of Pascal's wager? You are playing with fire son, put the matches down and slowly back away....
 

trenchfoot

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It casts doubt, they are throwing shit at the wall at this point just trying to obscure the truth.

Is this what Roy Moore means by Moral Law?

Not sure if they can keep up that ploy for another three weeks or so. The momentum against Moore seems to be increasing at such an accelerated rate of speed such that Moore's supporters aren't going to able to stay ahead of or stave off the ever building assaults on Moore's viability as a candidate.

I'm personally rooting for Moore to stay in the race and then lose to his Democrat opponent. Alabama pride is on the line in this one. Things still look like a toss-up at the moment though.
 

trenchfoot

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Not sure if they can keep up that ploy for another three weeks or so. The momentum against Moore seems to be increasing at such an accelerated rate of speed such that Moore's supporters aren't going to able to stay ahead of or stave off the ever building assaults on Moore's viability as a candidate.

I'm personally rooting for Moore to stay in the race and then lose to his Democrat opponent. Alabama pride is on the line in this one. Things still look like a toss-up at the moment though.

edit - I just got through texting with a couple of friends from Dothan. They're both sticking with Moore.
 

bshole

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Not sure if they can keep up that ploy for another three weeks or so. The momentum against Moore seems to be increasing at such an accelerated rate of speed such that Moore's supporters aren't going to able to stay ahead of or stave off the ever building assaults on Moore's viability as a candidate.

I'm personally rooting for Moore to stay in the race and then lose to his Democrat opponent. Alabama pride is on the line in this one. Things still look like a toss-up at the moment though.

Isn't momentum outside of Alabama meaningless? If Alabama wants to elect this nutter, what the rest of the country thinks is kind of irrelevant.
 
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I've heard some very disturbing things going on in Alabama. Trollbots are tweeting and posting that WaPo reporters have been offering women $1000 for allegations against Moore for months. Apparently one of the bots is using the identities of dead soldiers.

Also, Alabamans are saying they've received fake robocalls from a "Bernie Bernstein" at WaPo asking if any women in the household want to make an allegation against Moore.

I heard the tail end of that robocall, they should have just got to the point and named the guy "Jewy Jewstein" and add a consistent NY Jew accent or pay the guy who does the voice for Neil Goldman in family guy.

Amazing that people fall for this shit.
 
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Ajay

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It casts doubt, they are throwing shit at the wall at this point just trying to obscure the truth.

Is this what Roy Moore means by Moral Law?

Yep. And there is no way Moore's wife wants to believe these complaints - she raised 4 kids with this man.
This tragedy playing out on TV's around the country is sad. I feel for the then young girls who were abused and wonder what the heck is up with Alabama such that Moore hasn't dropped to single digits in the polls already
 

woolfe9998

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Wait, are you calling an evangelical Christian a liar? Are you aware of Pascal's wager? You are playing with fire son, put the matches down and slowly back away....

I wonder if Moore even believes in God. Not only was he a sexual predator, but he's now lying about it. Does he think he can repent for all this and still be saved? It could be incredible cognitive dissonance to rationalize this, or his beliefs might not actually be sincere.
 

werepossum

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I don’t think you know what a hit piece is. A hit piece is something that is supposed to change public opinion of someone by either printing something false or shading things in an untruthful way. This is an article with 4 separate accusers who didn’t know each other, backed up by 30 other people. To any sane, reasonably objective person that easily meets the standard where it is probably true.

Only on ATPN is a newspaper publishing an exhaustively sourced article about how a senate candidate molested a 14 year old somehow a slam against the newspaper.
Okay, be honest. Do you think there was ever the slightest chance that the "profile" was not going to be extremely negative?
 

Commodus

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Okay, be honest. Do you think there was ever the slightest chance that the "profile" was not going to be extremely negative?

If Moore didn't want it to be extremely negative, maybe he shouldn't have sexually harassed underage girls.
 
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Okay, be honest. Do you think there was ever the slightest chance that the "profile" was not going to be extremely negative?
Can you really claim bias when you're a shitty human being to begin with? Sounds like Moore's "tastes" were well known in the community. Others went after this in the past including his opponent Strange. WaPo just made it happen.
 
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